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Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

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if you read the whole chapter it makes it clear it's not over every nation - just over the nations that oppressed them and made them their captives

sounds like vindication and tables turned by God on those who treat israel wickedly
 
if you read the whole chapter it makes it clear it's not over every nation - just over the nations that oppressed them and made them their captives

sounds like vindication and tables turned by God on those who treat israel wickedly
Yes, it's not every nation. It's every nation in the Lord's kingdom.
Israel is given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom.
You believe they are given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom because the nations reigned over them? I thought God had handed them over to the nations to begin with because they turned from God?

 
Yes, it's not every nation. It's every nation in the Lord's kingdom.
Israel is given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom.
You believe they are given authority to reign over the nations in the Lord's kingdom because the nations reigned over them? I thought God had handed them over to the nations to begin with because they turned from God?

i don't see the Lord's kingdom in this chapter - those who oppress israel are not the Lord's kingdom - they are of the devil's kingdom - nations who are disobedient to the Lord
 
i don't see the Lord's kingdom in this chapter - those who oppress israel are not the Lord's kingdom - they are of the devil's kingdom - nations who are disobedient to the Lord

It says right there it's the Lord's land. It's not someone elses or governed by others. Normally, when you have a certain area of land and you are the king of that land, it's your kingdom.

Here Israel is yet again, reigning in the Lord's land.

You do agree this is the Lord's land in which they reign with the Lord don't you? Or do you believe it belongs to someone else?
 
Isaiah 13:1-14:23 are the prophecies against mystery Babylon, Rev 18, in the end of days that will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming on the last day, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 19:11-19. Those of faith in God, being the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel that have been scattered throughout the nations, (except for the tribe of Dan an Ephraim as they never repented for going after other gods), will be gathered back to Jerusalem before the return of Christ as they are sealed by the Spirit of God before the angels are sent out to hurt the earth, Rev 7:1-8. They along with all who are Christ own that have been sealed unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30, will then enter their rest in the New Jerusalem that God will usher down from heaven, Rev 21:1-5.
 
Isaiah 13:1-14:23 are the prophecies against mystery Babylon, Rev 18, in the end of days that will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming on the last day, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 19:11-19. Those of faith in God, being the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel that have been scattered throughout the nations, (except for the tribe of Dan an Ephraim as they never repented for going after other gods), will be gathered back to Jerusalem before the return of Christ as they are sealed by the Spirit of God before the angels are sent out to hurt the earth, Rev 7:1-8. They along with all who are Christ own that have been sealed unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 4:30, will then enter their rest in the New Jerusalem that God will usher down from heaven, Rev 21:1-5.
It's the Medes who destroy Babylon.


And they don't hide thier intentions.
 
Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

I’m not sure where you get the idea that Israel rules the Lord’s Kingdom. I’ve read the Old Testament and it is true that God chose the Israelite's, but God also set conditions that they must follow to continue getting His grace. Reading ¼ of the story falls short of His true intentions and what the Israelite's did in return.
 
Why does Israel rule in the Lord's kingdom?

I’m not sure where you get the idea that Israel rules the Lord’s Kingdom. I’ve read the Old Testament and it is true that God chose the Israelite's, but God also set conditions that they must follow to continue getting His grace. Reading ¼ of the story falls short of His true intentions and what the Israelite's did in return.

I get the idea that Israel will rule over the nations in the Lord's land because Israel wrote that Israel will rule over the nations in the Lord's land.
The condition set for this achievement is that they must overcome as Christ overcame.
Now isn't that how Jacob earned the name Israel to begin with?


There is only one way for Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's land. Blessed are they who do it:)
 
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Only one way for Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's land. Along time ago I learned the mark of the beast would only be given to the occupants of Israel. But for those Israelis who do not worship the beast or recieve its mark and remain faithful to death, they will reign over the nations in the Lord's land.
 
But for those Israelis who do not worship the beast or recieve its mark and remain faithful to death, they will reign over the nations in the Lord's land.
If believing this helps you sleep at night, then who am I to bring you nightmares instead.

May your dreams be comforting and you and yours live peaceful and happy lives
 

It says right there it's the Lord's land. It's not someone elses or governed by others. Normally, when you have a certain area of land and you are the king of that land, it's your kingdom.

Here Israel is yet again, reigning in the Lord's land.

You do agree this is the Lord's land in which they reign with the Lord don't you? Or do you believe it belongs to someone else?
the whole earth belongs to the Lord - but we know that all the people on the earth are not God-lovers or obedient to God - God's people do not oppress God's people - the devil's people do that
 
the whole earth belongs to the Lord - but we know that all the people on the earth are not God-lovers or obedient to God - God's people do not oppress God's people - the devil's people do that
Correct, Israel does not oppress thier oppressors. They rule over them just as Christ rules over the nations.
As for the Lord's land.

There is a specific area that is promised to the seed of Abraham. That land is what Isaiah calls the Lord's land.Isaiah is not talking about all the world here.

David prophecying of the ten horn making war with the Lamb over the kingdom called that area the pasturlands of God.

He also is not talking about all the world.

And when Gog invades the Lord's land and surrounds those who are reigning with Christ, it is also not talki g about the entire world but a specific area where Israel reigns.

 
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Why is it given to Israel to rule over the nations in the Lord's kingdom?

Why aren't you reading the OT with N T eyes?

We know that in Jesus there are no Greek, no barbarian, no slave, no free, no male and no female so why do you assume that there will be Israel and what ever nations perscuted Israel.

In the new heaven and the new earth there will only be those who are Jesus's.
There a Christian who died during perscution will stand along side the perscutor who million and has since come to Christ.
They will worship Jesus together as brothers.much of the of is written in earthly military/political language and not in my spiritual language.
 
Why aren't you reading the OT with N T eyes?

We know that in Jesus there are no Greek, no barbarian, no slave, no free, no male and no female so why do you assume that there will be Israel and what ever nations perscuted Israel.

In the new heaven and the new earth there will only be those who are Jesus's.
There a Christian who died during perscution will stand along side the perscutor who million and has since come to Christ.
They will worship Jesus together as brothers.much of the of is written in earthly military/political language and not in my spiritual language.


The New testiment separates the twelve tribes of Israel from the great multitude which come from the nations.
John sees these with the Lamb on Mt zion.
John was able to tell the difference with his new testiment eyes.

How can John tell the difference when you say there is no difference?
 
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How can John tell the difference when you say there is no difference?
Not my words but Paul's.

As for revelation that is a series of word pictures discribing something beyond our comprehension.

There will be far more than just twelve Jewish tribes in heaven, so the picture of 12 tribes is one of completeness.
 
Not my words but Paul's.

As for revelation that is a series of word pictures discribing something beyond our comprehension.

There will be far more than just twelve Jewish tribes in heaven, so the picture of 12 tribes is one of completeness.

Yes, John saw the 12 tribes of Israel, then he saw a multitude from the nations. He was able to tell the difference.
 

We can only go as far back as God has revealed. And God has revealed, as you show, that it is His purpose for a chosen people, Jews, to serve Him in a particular place, Israel, and to be the priestly and leading nation over all other nations.

This is the structure of the Kingdom. At this point, you must determine in Scripture what the Kingdom is. Ones method of interpretation will produce different answers.

I am Dispensational, and interpret the Bible using the 'literal' method. Therefore the Kingdom you speak of is a literal 1000 year reign of Christ in Israel, ruling over the nations of the world. (Rev. 20:4-6)

Quantrill
 
We can only go as far back as God has revealed. And God has revealed, as you show, that it is His purpose for a chosen people,
God gave us instructions on how we should live our lives, but God does not “make” us follow His commandments

God’s Chosen
(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people

God’s Instructions to His chosen
(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

NOTE: The term “stranger” is referenced 128 times in the Bible; please look them up for yourself

God sits back for some time ..,&.,, then He return to see what his children have done--

Ezekiel Chapter 21

1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face toward Jerusalem, and drop thy word toward the holy places, and prophesy
against the land of Israel,

3 And say to the land of Israel, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I am against thee, and will draw forth my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked.

22 At his right hand was the divination for Jerusalem, to appoint captains, to open the mouth in the slaughter, to lift up the voice with shouting, to appoint battering rams against the gates, to cast a mount, and to build a fort.

23 And it shall be unto them as a false divination in their sight, to them that have sworn oaths: but he will call to remembrance the iniquity, that they may be taken.

24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are discovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because, I say, that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand.

25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when iniquity shall have an end,

27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering:

29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

30 Shall I cause it to return into his sheath? I will judge thee in the place where thou wast created, in the land of thy nativity.

31 And I will pour out mine indignation upon thee, I will blow against thee in the fire of my wrath, and deliver thee into the hand of brutish men, and skilful to destroy.

32 Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.


I, you, yours and all the rest of us are now witnesses to what comes next
 
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