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jasoncran said:
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well i am doing channukah, it starts like all jewish feast and holidays in the evening after 6pm based on the moon for feasts and also the days per jewish religious calender start at 6pm not midnight.

that is what i meant the sda doesnt do service on the shabat they to it on sunday

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/location.asp?tDate=12/30/2011&weeks=1&AID=6226

that is what i mean! the sda seems to woefully ingornant of jewish custom.

having service at 6pm saturday isnt the shabat

and here you go

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/candleLighting.asp?tDate=12/30/2011&weeks=1&AID=6226&z=32962&save=1

and i will gander a another region

if one is near this part i selected then you get this is the end of shabat.

see how you are not doing the sabaath?

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/candleLighting.asp?tDate=12/30/2011&AID=6226&c=506&save=1
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Hi, first off. I do not belong to the Adventist Apostate denomination!
And second: My only concern is found in 2 Cor. 4:2 'But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.'
Meaning on my part to not post false facts but just as near as possible to get documented Truths about what I post.

And that is only possible by going to the doctrine of any creed itself & reading 'their' documentation.:study

And for my being clear, let me post Christ's WORD of condemnation of His Ex/Virgin Fold & why it was such! (and note that 'doctrine' was of NO issue)

Matt.23

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And verse 38? That finds out why these became DESOLATE.

Again: This is from the documentation of Christ's WORD, not the Jer. 17:5 sites that are every where seen with hardly any two agreeing on any thing much.

--Elijah
 
jesus4life said:
LOVE TO ALL,

Always remember that JESUS talks in the SPIRIT, and GOD is a spirit. The intangible has a very different eye than the tangible. As the intangible has no fear of death. LOL!! It's beautiful to see in the SPIRIT ( GOD has allowed me to see this many times in my faith walk!!). Flesh makes no sense and is the very sense that is killing us. We are doing all the work. Though we must sin ( as it's GOD's law after Adam and Eve!!). It's keeping it only in the mind is where believers should be. OR not sinning with others. Through our faith we should have enough control to not spread sin to others by rebuking the devil and calling on JESUS to handle the situation. But to think sin, is still sin to GOD, because HE is in the realm of thought; HE IS A SPIRIT!! Many forget this, and so, they dont realize how powerful it is to think about sin, then do it. It's transcends very far once it goes onto others.


The mark of the beast will be simple to know. As JESUS says to all to beware of the Pharisees, because they worship man before GOD.

So the mark is no faith in GOD. And if one has faith in GOD through JESUS CHRIST, then they obey the greatest to commandments :

MARK 12:28-31
28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?â€
29 “The most important one,†answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f] 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[g] There is no commandment greater than these.â€


So, the mark of the beast is those without love in their heart. So, only GOD will truly know this. The physical mark will be what JESUS said about the PHARISEES.

666 is just a double and mirror of 3 in 1. Devil always tries to imitate JESUS. So he is the angel of light, and JESUS is the LIGHT! He says he can show you all things ( as he told EVE), and JESUS shows us HE is the way but only by the power of GOD the FATHER!! The devil divides people through confusion, wars, rumors, and famines,etc...all in the end to serve him. JESUS divides by TRUTH and LOVE all for the kingdom of heaven where we love and serve GOD with a joyful noise; living peacably.

jesus4life
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I have noticed many of your posts and that you do bear a certain amount of 'sealing' of the Spirit in Truth and Love. Just so you know.

The fact that you have perceived these matters as spiritual and internal pitted against the forces of darkness that we 'all' carry in our minds and hearts has and will equip you to see 'better' on these particular matters.

The Kingdom does not come by observation, meaning on the outside of the Cup.

We who seek Him, seek HIS PERFECT REFLECTION. Therein we are all called. Therein it is HE who defeats our enemies and that battle is AN INTERNAL ONE.

When The Perfect comes, the IMPERFECT disappears. Herein we wait and abide for the TIME to come.

s
 
jasoncran said:
ah the sda, the one holy church that cant even get the very time of the shabat right

shabat and any feast is always at night(6pm) when its done not at midnight.
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I am not sure you understand Seventh Day Adventists... Any knowledgeable SDA member/attendee knows that the Sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset... I grew up as one, I should know.

For the record... there is a Friday evening service, Saturday morning service and a Saturday night service. The one that is priority is Saturday morning, Saturday and Friday evening worship is called Vespers which is simply evening prayer worship.
 
smaller said:
I have noticed many of your posts and that you do bear a certain amount of 'sealing' of the Spirit in Truth and Love. *Just so you know.

The fact that you have perceived these matters as spiritual and internal pitted against the forces of darkness that we 'all' carry in our minds and hearts has and will equip you to see 'better' on these particular matters.

The Kingdom does not come by observation, meaning on the outside of the Cup.

We who seek Him, seek HIS PERFECT REFLECTION. *Therein we are all called. *Therein it is HE who defeats our enemies and that battle is AN INTERNAL ONE.

When The Perfect comes, the IMPERFECT disappears. *Herein we wait and abide for the TIME to come.

s
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I'm overjoyed GOD has allowed you to see this. Which also says what HE is doing in your life.

Seeing in Spirit and in truth with faith, and living it in this world is the only way.

Amen.

Stay read, fed, believe, receive, and unceasingly pray in and through all things.

Love in the HOLY PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS always,

Jesus4life
 
Elijah674 said:
Hi, first off. I do not belong to the Adventist Apostate denomination!
And second: My only concern is found in 2 Cor. 4:2 'But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.'
Meaning on my part to not post false facts but just as near as possible to get documented Truths about what I post.

And that is only possible by going to the doctrine of any creed itself & reading 'their' documentation.:study

And for my being clear, let me post Christ's WORD of condemnation of His Ex/Virgin Fold & why it was such! (and note that 'doctrine' was of NO issue)

Matt.23

[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

And verse 38? That finds out why these became DESOLATE.

Again: This is from the documentation of Christ's WORD, not the Jer. 17:5 sites that are every where seen with hardly any two agreeing on any thing much.

--Elijah
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Me again:
Find me PRAY/TELL where Christ even HINTED that [[HIS DOCTRINES]] are the problem???:sad

It is a RECORDED FACT in the [WORD FROM HIM] that that was & is not the problem at all!

He even prophesied what the problem was to be in Isa. 5, [[[HIS VINEYARD OF PERFECT DOCTRINES was not the problem!]]]
The problem is found in verse 3 ibid ...
Isa.5

[1] Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:
[2] And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

[3] And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

[4] What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? ...'

....

[7] For the vineyard of the LORD of hosts [[is the house]] of Israel, ...'
 
I have a couple of questions

Is Satan trying to deceive the Muslims, and have them for himself?
Could you possibly be convinced, that muhammed is god?
How can even the "elect of God" be deceived into following/worshipping allah?
Where is it Satan wants to put himself?

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: (Isaiah 14:13 KJV)

The mount of the congregation? Isn't that mount Jesus Christ Himself?
A falling away of the church, is it a falling away in numbers or is it a falling away from truth? If there is a falling away then the True Christ is not in it. Look around pay attention.

The church of the day- Sadducees and Pharisees killed Christ.
The church of the day killed the reformers and many others searching for truth, and to learn more of Christ.
Who is the church of the day today? Aren't we?
 
Lets not just let this die out!:sad There seems to be need of much discussion on 666 & the role that Governments are a part of it. Note Jeff's question below, and if no one cares here about Rom. 13? Just let the subject drop.:chin

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Jeff on another site says:
Okay, but that still doesn't answer how the USA Law of Caesar is found in Romans 13.
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It is not! At least in the first table of the Covenant, but is used as a theorcracy type for God [[[IF]]] they (governments) stay away from His REQUIRED RENDERING TO CEASAR REQUIREMENT!! And even then it is pertaining to only the second table of the ten. (ones duty to mankind)

But that is the problem. Mankind cannot see straight. So, most do not understand the chapter. That is why the USA military (+) will be used (Dan. 2 + 7 Governments) to back up the Christ/less Rev. 17:1-5 ones church.

Rom. 13
[1] Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
[2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
[3] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

[4] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

[5] Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
[6] For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.[7] Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

OK: Now ask some of your Baptist friends on this sitewhat this means to them??
Then of course Acts 5:27-29 finds all of the 'other apostles' with Peter violating this chapter if putting Ceasar before God was to be done. And No, you are correct on this 'me' thinks?

But this chapter will be wore out shortly by the Rev. 17:1-5 '666' ones. And twisted in every direction even calling a 'few' every thing 'under the sun'
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(see Matt. 10:25) And that is just the start of it all! Even check out the USA Supreme Court!

And again, which side are you on???????

--Elijah
 
NJBeliever said:
The Mark of the beast is coming to fruition just as Scripture prophesies. And society is being prepped to not only accept it, but to love it.

http://beginningandend.com/mark-beast-humanitys-ultimate-choice/
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First of all, 666 is not the mark of the beast. The method used to derive 666 as a numerical value is based on gematria which is actually a numerology which is against God.

Below is the video which is more convincing explanation for the mark of the beast.

[video=youtube;GtquNNEO7Fw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtquNNEO7Fw[/video]
 
felix said:
First of all, 666 is not the mark of the beast. The method used to derive 666 as a numerical value is based on gematria which is actually a numerology which is against God.

Below is the video which is more convincing explanation for the mark of the beast.

[video=youtube;GtquNNEO7Fw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtquNNEO7Fw[/video]
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Your post states a fact!:sad It does not say that 'this' might be the case, (your video?)
but that it is a Godly Truth that 666 is not the mark of the beast.

Eccl. 3:14 + Rev. 22:18-19 warns ETERNITY about these removals or additions to Gods Word.:sad If ones name was ever in the Book of Life to begin with?

And if it is not?? See Acts 5:32 for the CONDITION to have it recorded there.:thumbsup

--Elijah
 
Stormcrow said:
The generation of the fig tree is not the generation that would see Israel reborn, but the generation that would see Jerusalem desolated (literally destroyed).
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Stormcrow, I believe the bible teaches that the same generation would see both Israel reborn and the desolation of Jerusalem. The generation Jesus is referring to is the 4th generation, the church age.

Gen_15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Exo_20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Also the details of what the mark of the beast is, is found in the book of Joshua.

Jos_6:18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
Jos 7:21 When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.

The goodly Babylonish garment is a new immortal body, I am not sure what the wedge of gold is, maybe it is payment for the new body.
 
Fedusenko said:
I am not sure you understand Seventh Day Adventists... Any knowledgeable SDA member/attendee knows that the Sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset... I grew up as one, I should know.

For the record... there is a Friday evening service, Saturday morning service and a Saturday night service. The one that is priority is Saturday morning, Saturday and Friday evening worship is called Vespers which is simply evening prayer worship.
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here they were doing the sabaath service after 6pm on sat and that is when the sun went down. that has changed that said if one is to do the shabat then one cant type on computer(considered work to the orthodox)
 
Last day! Eccl. 3:15 to be repeated. Who will [want to agree] to do here what Christ required in verse 5-6 of Matt. 10? Yet, this is what is now taking place.

Matt. 10

[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
(God it taking care of that. What have you not seen, read or heard with your own ears? And it is not only catholicism but here daughter have the same ‘documented testimony’.)

[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
(and satan tries to stop this anyway possible, yet it is even being done by world news! where are the profess Christian’s at?)

[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
...
[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

This above was while Christ was on Earth, & in the first History when old Israel was cut off. Matt. 23:38. It was the Lord’s Matt. 10 verse of 5-6’s by command to only go to ‘THE LOST SHEEP OF HIS HOUSE of Israel. And in the Rev.’s LAST DAY REPEAT, we find the exact same history repeating & with the same exact outcome even now taking place. And NO, rome nor her daughters are this Rev. 12:17 fold, but are the ones who will be seen by law enforcing 666, or romes pagan sun worship. (and the Rev. 12:17 church is already being split right down the middle in required separation & the church per/say will join the Rev. 17:1-5 ones. They are already making fatal concessions)

But note Inspiration for romes priest’s and whoever!

Isa. 59 [DOCUMENTS] ..

[1] Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[2] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

And as Christ stated everything is brought to light. + Is to be shouted from the housetops. Even note in Matt. 10:20 for who it is said to speak these WORDS.. ‘For it is not ye that speak, [BUT THE ‘SPIRIT’ OF THE FATHER IN YOU.’]

OK: One more Eternal Truth from Inspiration only! Joshua 7

[12] Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.
[13] Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of Israel, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.


This is what God says! Then there is satan & his church’s that say I,I,I,I,I can nullify any thing that God has said. And yes, this is to be your final testing, do you really BELIEVE GOD while facing the Worlds satanic death decree, or will you bow before satan & the man, on the day that he uses, by keeping his false day of worshiping him? We will very soon find out.

Lets just toss this in? do you think that you have seen anything much yet?


--Elijah
 
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Classik said:
All About this is frightening!
The truth remains: IT IS TRUE.
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Do People need to die today to avoid the mark:confused? Perhaps it is better.
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Something sounds self-contradictory here

a) From the link:
Those who do not take the mark will be executed by the Antichrist's administration.
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This implies violence - and People are forced to take the mark.
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b) From the link:
The Antichrist will not come into power by force. He will be someone who the people desire and adore. And so will the Mark. It will be something people actually want, in pure defiance of God
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I don't quite get it here. This talks about choice - and not force.
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the focus should be on having a close relationship with god. not on being worried about the mark. cause if you have a close relationship with god, you wont even be here during that time. you will be with god.
 
Matt. 25's Parable?? What is or was it all about?

Verse 13 talks of the last days, how do you know that? because Christ was already there at this time speaking. But the 12 verses have a lot of messages in just these 12 verses, even though it is a parable. If we can get this far in Matt. 10:5-6, you can find the actual message to this parable in 70AD... + Earths last repeated 3 Angels message to Laodicea's last 'spewed out' Virgin Fold. (Eccl. 3:15)

But lets me just jump in between these 12 verses with my thinking on this parable.

Matt.25

[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

(surley the Kingdom of heaven was the True doctrinal Folds Teachng! and it's rebellion was between Christ & Lucifer. Not Doctrine, and here we see 1/2 in the fullness of the rebellion which does not jell with Rev. 12's final talley of 1/3. And there is a reason for that called the Rev. 14:6 Everlasting Gospel)

[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

(Again, all had Lamps + some oil! The problem was that they had not enought oil representing the Holy Spirit)

[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they 'all' slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

(The Midnight Cry!!?? You will find it in Matt. 10:5-6 on! Read verse 15 and the ones who followed Christ out made up the exact same doctrines as the new Acts church had! (Matt. 23:3)

[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

(the 'WORK' of Sanctification was lacking! Rom. 8:14)

[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and [the door was shut].
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

(And Matt. 23:38 finds that their 'HOUSE WAS DESOLATE'! With a closed DOOR in Matt. 25:10! And our day finds the same exact history repeated! Eccl. 1:9-10 + Eccl. 3:15 + the twice doubled documentation of how God works as seen in Gen. 41:32!

And Rev. 18:4 finds God's REQUIREMENT ALL OVER AGAIN!)

--Elijah
 
jasoncran said:
here they were doing the sabaath service after 6pm on sat and that is when the sun went down. that has changed that said if one is to do the shabat then one cant type on computer(considered work to the orthodox)
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I am pretty sure that what you are seeing is vespers, not actual Sabath service. Vespers is a wrap up of the Sabbath while actual sabbath service is in the morning or early afternoon.

As for touching the keyboard... my grandfolks would turn the lights out cause that would require the powerplant workers to work. I remember being told that I couldn't get in the lake on the Sabbath because swimming was work. The fear of breaking the sabbath was so great among the older generation that they went out of the way to prevent it often venturing into the ridiculous. This reminds me how the Jews say Adonai for fear of accidentally using YHWH in vain. So they just don't say it.
 
no,the sign said service at 6pm.

now it says 10 am.of course doing the shabat these days is interesting because of the legality with it. for instance if i a drive to the shabat service and need gas i have caused a gentile to sin(if you want to do that way). which the shabat is for the hebrews only and the hebrews of today and then did have gentiles work for them.
 
jasoncran said:
no,the sign said service at 6pm.

now it says 10 am.of course doing the shabat these days is interesting because of the legality with it. for instance if i a drive to the shabat service and need gas i have caused a gentile to sin(if you want to do that way). which the shabat is for the hebrews only and the hebrews of today and then did have gentiles work for them.
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Have you ever understood Isa. 42:21.. or even read it?? Do you understand what the word of magnifying & making it Honorable means?? Christ did all of that, He did [[DO]] what was OK to do on [HIS SEVENTH DAY BLESSED, HOLY + SANCTIFIED SABBATH DAY]

Lawful to do good on His Sabbath DAY, Ox in the 'ditch' (your post say's what?? leave him there!:robot) Drs. + nurses? your post say's what. just let them DIE???

And eating is a WORK!! our post says??? And Christ & His even plucked 'just enough' corn from a cornfield for their food 'LEGALLY' that was 'without sin'! And your posting?? You sure sound like the ones who did not accept Christ, but were truely legalist... 'straining a gnat, but swallowing a camel'.:sad

Here are recorded verses for what Inspiration tells us what is to be done & not done on Christ's 7th Day Sabbath.

Isa. 58
[9] Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

(and vanity?? See Titus 3:9-11 for who are the VAIN ones around today!)

[10] And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:

(+ more guy!:study+

[11] And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

[12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

(and if you do not know the Dan. 7:25 verse by now, you can find that this breach is the one of GOD'S ETERNAL LAW with having satan attempting to change it by his men!)

[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, [[not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:]]

Most teen's could see here what is acceptable of God by just reading the above verses. Ones personal 'pleasure' on MY HOLY DAY? And shalt honor Him, [[not doing thine own pleasures, nor speaking thine own words??]]

[14] Then [[shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.]]

Even ask the teen if 'they' can see any CONDITION for His Promises found there?

--Elijah
 
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name a gentile at horeb/mt.sinai that is called of isreal.

one name that was there and not called part of so and so tribe. if you cant then that says a lot. it means that the acts 15 council was wrong when they commanded this

15 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
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the context is under moses law. and the whole law. the sabbath is part of his law. its not found in genesis as none of the gentiles did it and or the patriarchs. only after the commands to do it exodus do we see it.
 
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jasoncran said:
name a gentile at horeb/mt.sinai that is called of isreal.

one name that was there and not called part of so and so tribe. if you cant then that says a lot. it means that the acts 15 council was wrong when they commanded this

the context is under moses law. and the whole law. the sabbath is part of his law. its not found in genesis as none of the gentiles did it and or the patriarchs. only after the commands to do it exodus do we see it.
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I find this subject 'set in concrete' this way by your postings. So, lets say that God came to you in a dream & said that regardless of what He [[had]] (has) said, you still will not obey Him.. or would you??????:chin

In Gen.26 long before there was [any Jew] & before God Wrote down the Eternal Covenant & gave the two tables of the ten Commands in written form, we find that Gentile Abe had 'Gentile converts' in Gen. 12:5.

We even find that Gentile Abe payed tithe to a Priest of God's VERBAL appointment. And if you believe Inspiration?? God HAS TOLD YOU WHY HE CALLED GENTILE ABE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Gen. 26
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] [[Because that Abraham obeyed **my voice,]] and kept my charge, [[my commandments, my statutes, and my laws]].

---Elijah
 
Elijah674 said:
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I find this subject 'set in concrete' this way by your postings. So, lets say that God came to you in a dream & said that regardless of what He [[had]] (has) said, you still will not obey Him.. or would you??????:chin

In Gen.26 long before there was [any Jew] & before God Wrote down the Eternal Covenant & gave the two tables of the ten Commands in written form, we find that Gentile Abe had 'Gentile converts' in Gen. 12:5.

We even find that Gentile Abe payed tithe to a Priest of God's VERBAL appointment. And if you believe Inspiration?? God HAS TOLD YOU WHY HE CALLED GENTILE ABE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

Gen. 26
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
[5] [[Because that Abraham obeyed **my voice,]] and kept my charge, [[my commandments, my statutes, and my laws]].

---Elijah
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abe wasnt a gentile but the first hebrew. now then where in the book of genesis is it shown that they did the shabat.

ah but i will do better then this

the greateast jew often quote on chabad.org is moses but another man named ramban. i just so happen to have his book.

so the law was then? and ten commandments. surely they knew as all the children of isreal save the kids that entered the promised land were circumised so if they already did the shabat why would God tell them to do it? they would have heard return to what i told father abraham.
gebesis 17:1
17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
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in brief Ramban a jew who well know the torah. says that abraham believed first and was asked to walk before the law as is the custom before the lord and then goes into why god didnt just bless him for leaving ur of the chaldees. he says abraham was hated there for not doing what? worshipping idols. theres more here by him in this commentary on father abraham.
 
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