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All historical sources say Rome, in 70ad.
The Histor---------------what? Like the History Channel?
I see your point........... This generation and we want to just take that and stretch it into 2000 years in some magical way. The only way to see if it's the same temple in Dan 9, Luke 21 if it is a temple in Dan 9 is from the History channel though. I think the History channel also had something about Jesus bones in a box......... ewwwwww......
We have Jesus, in Luke 21 talking about the Olive Garden courses. Them folks were
talking about the temple all Bling, bling, and Jesus said not one stone will be left. I assume He meant that temple.
Now, I have to go back to Dan 9 and figure out if there is even a temple in there as the Word Sanctuary means holy place
and decided if it's the one Jesus was talking about in Luke 21
I asked for the Scripture about who destroyed it and when. The scripture is "Watch the History Channel"
I have heard about Rome and Titus coming in to destroy the temple in 70ad. I also heard about the Middle East coming in and destroying the temple. both arguments sound reasonable enough for history.
Luk 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
It seems our Airtight proof rides on the...... cough..... cough... History Channel.
No problem. Those verses above look a whole lot like seals to me. Just the "History of these signs wonders and famines from Heaven recorded in some History text will be fine." I will need all that Jesus mentioned, earthquakes and everything tied to the coming of Rome to destroy the temple. I have not found it yet, but I am sure you have it ready. I am willing to
look at ...... cough.... the History Channel if some Historian has recorded these amazing events together.
Being Airtight. I know you have it Brother...... 2000 years for that generation to happen sounds crazy, right?
Get me the....... sigh...... History.
Blessings.
Mike.
Brother Mike
You mentioned "history channel", I said "historical sources". Such as historians, and historical records from the period in discussion (first century)
I sense your sarcasm.....history channel.....?????
Of course Dan.9 speaks of the same temple.....(457 bc plus 69 weeks (483 years) brings us to 27ad-Jesus' baptism).
What temple was standing in 27ad?
The same temple destroyed in 70 ad?
We take "history's word" for "history " all the time!
Historical records say that Christopher Columbus first crossed the ocean......History records say that Napolean was a General.....that Titus was a Roman general.....ect....
You and I were not there.....we must believe the consistent "historical records"
Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70ad, why should you stumble at this "history"?
Let me know when you have settled "the obvious".....if I may say so, I would say that you are "over thinking" the simple thinks Brother Mike.
You said "It seems our Airtight proof rides on the...... cough..... cough... History Channel."
Answer: Wrong!
Your missing it! It doesn't matter who destroyed Jerusalem for my argument to be "air tight"
Listen:
Both Jerusalems destruction (v20) and Jesus' "coming in the clouds" (v27) are mentioned in Luke 21.
In verse 32 Jesus says that a (one) generation "this generation" will not die until "all" be fulfilled.
Both Jerusalems destruction and Jesus' coming in the clouds are a part of the "ALL"
Therefore, Jesus is saying that one generation will remain alive to see both Jerusalems
destruction and his "coming in the clouds"
This is impossible, therefore his "coming in the clouds" does not refer to his "future return", but rather, he is quoting O.T. prophecy to explain and reveal something to his JEWISH hearers. (Just like he did with Ciaphad in Math.26:64)
Do you see, (do you perceive and understand) it doesn't matter who destroyed Jerusalem, my point is that is was destroyed, and that a generation SAW this.......the same generation generation who saw (perceived and understood) his coming in the clouds.
Air tight indeed Brother Mike!
Blessings
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