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There was only 8 people left after the flood. how will there be 144000 after the great tribulation?

How many people were alive during the days of Noah.

8 equals what percentage of how many that were left.

Furthermore there is this scripture to deal with -

In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. Revelation 9:6

There is worse tribulation that death, which is the point that Jesus made when He said, such as has not been...


JLB
 
There was only 8 people left after the flood. how will there be 144000 after the great tribulation?

I don't see god stopping the flood for the swimmers to repent while they gasped for air. nor do I see that in any Jesus' statements yet the futurist says that kids of the evil unrepentant ungodly men and women whom hate Christ will be alive and wont in the millennium somehow sin as bad. the idea that there's limited redemption of the earth at his second coming before the final solution to sin isn't in the bible.
 
8 is a percenatage? @JLB ? really the bible says ONLY 8 souls survived.

8 is what percentage of how many people that were left.

To put it another way -

8 represents what percentage of how many people that were left?


JLB
 
I don't see god stopping the flood for the swimmers to repent while they gasped for air.

That brought some interesting visuals. Thank you :)

Are you on the (It's all passed already) team? Luke 21, Matt 24 and Rev?


Peter made a tie to the flood and the end where the earth gets burnt up. Jesus made a tie to the end and the flood in Matt 24.. we have two ties to the End and Noah's flood. I don't think that is coincidence.

Blessings.

Mike.
 
The phrase "such as was not since the beginning of the world...." and similar phrases are used several times in scripture. This is called "hyperbolic language", and if taken "literally", causes many similar scriptures to contradict eachother.

Thanks, more later.

So the temple being destroyed by (ROME?) would be hyperbolic................. got it...........

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

So the sun darkened for days, the stars fall from heaven and the heavens are shaken is not recorded anywhere in History because it is Hyperbolic just like the temple you claim Rome destroyed?

That generation is all Hyperbolic............................ OR...................... Just what you want to pick and Choose as Hyperbolic?

Which is it Hope IN Glory? What you choose, or you going to provide that recorded historical information I asked for? Jesus did not say all that if it was not a major event for men looking up have their hearts fail them over a Hyperbolic event???? Seriously??? You want me to believe that?

Air tight documents Brother............. You claim you have Rome destroying the temple now show me where Men looked up and their hearts failed?

Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Luk_21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.


Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

So I have to assume at this point that the events mentioned in Isa are not connected to Luke 21 or Matt 24 even though they line up perfectly and the 6th seal released.

In Isa it is the Lord Almighty that does this..................... Not the Roman Army by which I have no scripture yet ........ but it's historic fact....... right. got it.

Then it's all hyperbolic.....................?????????????????????????????

Hope in Glory, Brother.................. I have been in the Word of God for 14 years, every day I have read my Word. I don't know everything but .............. Isa can't be Luke 21....... Unless the Roman army is the Almighty.............. I know God used the Roman army to destroy the sinners off the earth. Right? Cmon brother......... then it's all Hyperbolic?

Wow........... You can't provide the History, I have no evidence that (This Generation) has come to pass. I give you the benefit of Doubt because I like a lot of things you have taught, but now the evidence I want is "Hyperbolic" How convenient. Now I am comparing the day of the Lord where the Roman army destroyed the sinners off the earth, do we have historical evidence that Rome was sent by the Almighty to destroy sinners? Don't bother I know we don't.............
The Almighty sent Rome to destroy His temple, that has to be it.

Air Tight means there can't be any possible argument against it. I feel a big draft here.

Blessings to you..

Mike.

I got my coat on, for sure.


JLB
 
Thats just it, Brother.

It's only cut and paste the doctrines of Preterism with him.

Is that the issue? We are dealing with a defense of a doctrine called Preterism? The Word should define the doctrine, and bless God I have doctrine that I have to constantly lay aside and look at someones point of view. I learn this way.

You can never use a doctrine to defend a doctrine because you have to then be under the assumption that the Doctrine of man is more correct than the Word of God. I don't care if it's Calvinism, Trinity, Unitarianism, Catholic Creed, the book of discipline (Which let in the gay vote) It just does not work that way. Even the WOF doctrine (Wherever that is defined at) It won't work!!!!

Blessings.........

Mike.
 
Do you know what Preterism teaches?

No I don't brother. Hope IN Glory said things at the start like the Kingdom of God is here. I believe that, you know why I believe that. I did not fully understand he was slamming a set doctrine on me though. To be honest, It is new to me, and I thought I have heard everything. So, I am learning here but I was not fighting his Doctrine as I did not even know, I was questioning His use of History and scriptures. When he said the earth shaking, and the stars vanishing was Hyperbole that is what threw a wrench into the works for me so to speak.

So I am sorry. I am really ignorant here of this Doctrine. I was just trying to follow along and was hoping to contribute in some way.

God bless!!!

Jesus Is Lord.

Mike.
 
8 is a percenatage? @JLB ? really the bible says ONLY 8 souls survived.

8 is what percentage of how many people that were left.

To put it another way -

8 represents what percentage of how many people that were left?


JLB
that is ok but well I could argue that only small percentage of men will be saved. it all depends on how one says it. but 8 out of a million is nearly wiping out a species!
 
im of the historic position of the church before this rapture craze. that is orthodox preterism.@ brother mike,are you familiar with the size of any star and what even a simple moon would do to the earth if they pass the roche limit?
 
8 is a percenatage? @JLB ? really the bible says ONLY 8 souls survived.

8 is what percentage of how many people that were left.

To put it another way -

8 represents what percentage of how many people that were left?


JLB
that is ok but well I could argue that only small percentage of men will be saved. it all depends on how one says it. but 8 out of a million is nearly wiping out a species!

By the time Noah shut the door there were much less that 100,00 real humans left, as they were being wiped out by the giants.

JLB
 
Do you know what Preterism teaches?

No I don't brother. Hope IN Glory said things at the start like the Kingdom of God is here. I believe that, you know why I believe that. I did not fully understand he was slamming a set doctrine on me though. To be honest, It is new to me, and I thought I have heard everything. So, I am learning here but I was not fighting his Doctrine as I did not even know, I was questioning His use of History and scriptures. When he said the earth shaking, and the stars vanishing was Hyperbole that is what threw a wrench into the works for me so to speak.

So I am sorry. I am really ignorant here of this Doctrine. I was just trying to follow along and was hoping to contribute in some way.

God bless!!!

Jesus Is Lord.

Mike.

Preterism teaches that all scripture has been fulfilled, which includes -

The Second Coming of Christ.

The resurrection and rapture.

The white throne judgement.

Satan has been bound.

We are living in the milliniel kingdom now.

The new heavens and new earth are here.

The new Jerusalem has come down.

To name a few.

That's what they teach, and that is what you are dealing with.



JLB
 
Preterism teaches that all scripture has been fulfilled, which includes -

The Second Coming of Christ.

The resurrection and rapture.

The white throne judgement.

Satan has been bound.

We are living in the milliniel kingdom now.

The new heavens and new earth are here.

The new Jerusalem has come down.

To name a few.

That's what they teach, and that is what you are dealing with.


Brother Mike I don't know if you are being sincere are just trying to get a reaction....

Pretersim like most every thing else has degrees of variations etc. I am surprised that JLB would say the above when he has been told over and over it is not so. Orthodox pretersim believers like other Christians await the return of Christ. They believe the Great White Throne judgment is coming. and a few other things... many different folks of many denominations believe His kingdom is now many believe it is not... Ask "hope of Glory' what he believes .


Full preterest on the other hand fit the words of this 'sticky"


Full preterism teaches , all
eschatological prophecy has come to pass, the Great White Throne Judgment,
including the resurrection, the destruction of satan, and the Second Coming of
Christ. This view is not a part of Cfnets Statement of Faith. Cfnet holds the
view full preterism is heresy.
Postings will be closely moderated, subject
to quick deletions.
 
8 is a percenatage? @JLB ? really the bible says ONLY 8 souls survived.

8 is what percentage of how many people that were left.

To put it another way -

8 represents what percentage of how many people that were left?


JLB
that is ok but well I could argue that only small percentage of men will be saved. it all depends on how one says it. but 8 out of a million is nearly wiping out a species!

By the time Noah shut the door there were much less that 100,00 real humans left, as they were being wiped out by the giants.

JLB

where do you get the 100,000 humans,. the Talmud , the bible?
 
Preterism teaches that all scripture has been fulfilled, which includes -


All the scripture as in "ALL"?

Is this what Hope in Glory believes? That all of it has come to pass?

Satan is not doing a very good job of being bound, look around.

Hope in Glory really believes this? This is what we have been discussing?

Oh my gosh. I feel dumb for even posting on this. I thought we were just trying to take that Generation part and get it sorted.

reba;822850[B said:
]Brother Mike I don't know if you are being sincere are just trying to get a reaction....[/B]

Pretersim like most every thing else has degrees of variations etc. I am surprised that JLB would say the above when he has been told over and over it is not so. Orthodox pretersim believers like other Christians await the return of Christ. They believe the Great White Throne judgment is coming. and a few other things... many different folks of many denominations believe His kingdom is now many believe it is not... Ask "hope of Glory' what he believes .


Full preterest on the other hand fit the words of this 'sticky"


Being serious to get a reaction? Wow........... nice, anyway I'll overlook that comment.

What are we talking about here, What JBL said or the watered down versions?

Rebba I believe the Kingdom of God is now and operating on earth. Jesus said it was, and connected it to casting out devils. They will be done on earth as it is in heaven the whole chapt of Matt 6 was about Thy Kingdom Come, they will be done ........... On Earth as it is in Heaven. God's way of doing things, His operation and will are tied up in the Kingdom of God. That is why some of what Hope IN Glory was saying made sense to me.

However, Scotch watered down is still going to taste Like scotch. I had no idea people believed it all came to pass already, and I don't know what anyone believes now but JBL.

I don't need any reaction Rebba. I am dropping out of the thread.

Mike.
 
that is ok but well I could argue that only small percentage of men will be saved. it all depends on how one says it. but 8 out of a million is nearly wiping out a species!

By the time Noah shut the door there were much less that 100,00 real humans left, as they were being wiped out by the giants.

JLB

where do you get the 100,000 humans,. the Talmud , the bible?

That would be Gentile folklore.

I guess since that you mostly post Jewery, and the traditions of Judaism and the Talmud, it is ok for me to post some Gentile stuff.


JLB
 
Preterism teaches that all scripture has been fulfilled, which includes -


All the scripture as in "ALL"?

Is this what Hope in Glory believes? That all of it has come to pass?

Satan is not doing a very good job of being bound, look around.

Hope in Glory really believes this? This is what we have been discussing?

Oh my gosh. I feel dumb for even posting on this. I thought we were just trying to take that Generation part and get it sorted.

reba;822850[B said:
]Brother Mike I don't know if you are being sincere are just trying to get a reaction....[/B]

Pretersim like most every thing else has degrees of variations etc. I am surprised that JLB would say the above when he has been told over and over it is not so. Orthodox pretersim believers like other Christians await the return of Christ. They believe the Great White Throne judgment is coming. and a few other things... many different folks of many denominations believe His kingdom is now many believe it is not... Ask "hope of Glory' what he believes .


Full preterest on the other hand fit the words of this 'sticky"


Being serious to get a reaction? Wow........... nice, anyway I'll overlook that comment.

What are we talking about here, What JBL said or the watered down versions?

Rebba I believe the Kingdom of God is now and operating on earth. Jesus said it was, and connected it to casting out devils. They will be done on earth as it is in heaven the whole chapt of Matt 6 was about Thy Kingdom Come, they will be done ........... On Earth as it is in Heaven. God's way of doing things, His operation and will are tied up in the Kingdom of God. That is why some of what Hope IN Glory was saying made sense to me.

However, Scotch watered down is still going to taste Like scotch. I had no idea people believed it all came to pass already, and I don't know what anyone believes now but JBL.

I don't need any reaction Rebba. I am dropping out of the thread.

Mike.

Preterism is the fastest growing sect of Christianity, they are supposed to be getting there own Bible, so none of the "translations" that get in their way, [like the King James and the New King James], of what they believe will hinder them from "educating" the next generation of Christians.

If you don't believe they way they believe, then you are labeled as a futurist, or other names.

I had never heard of it till I came on this site.

You are in the Preterism section of this forum.



JLB
 
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