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the final fifth kingdom that follows the four of Daniels, is spiritual

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I take it that you by "Illuminati" means those banking and corporation families that make up the worlds power elite, the unelected true rulers over the goverments of this world? Then, yes I agree it may for the moment look like they have the upper hand. But both the U.S and the EU are in a slow motion economic collapse with increasing internal severance and chaos. This empire can not last, it is not in peace with itself. The power that be, will likely take us to war against Iran because of israeli fear, petrodollar and to protect themselves from the growing dissatisfaction of it's own people. Also, according to the islamic prophecies, when the western powers are weakened and "the world is in chaos." The great war will begin "Malhama" "then the Mahdi will arrive." "and the muslims will win this war thou it for a while will look like they will lose". I cited from islamic prophetic scriptures the "hadiths". "Then islam will dominate the whole world". The muslims make up one third of the worlds population, they will have their time I'm certain of it. Rev. 13:4 They will be a tool of God to judge the Mystery Babylon. Rev. 17:17




yes that is who I'm talking about.....lol......appears it may be against the rules to talk about organized crime families and what they are known as

no doubt Islam will play into endtimes prophecies, but its interesting to me that the third beast is like a leopard, and the leopard like discription remains in describing the fourth beast in Revelations 2"Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard"

I am really drawn to believe while this beast is terrible and destructive, it is just as elusive and hidden.
these hidden and elusive powers can easily control religions, just as they have used them in the past to do their bidding
 
yes and Calvinism and OSAS are peaceful subjects, never see anyone get their undies in a bundle discussing those topics..........but mentioning the richest families in the world who own 95% of everything, who control a central banking system and get together regularly to make world decisions mentioning these truths would break the rules...........I'm starting to wonder what people here are so afriad of
I read you posting this same idea all over.... The simple answer is the threads just go nuts..... We have found it is one of a few topics that go ballistic.
 
Lol did someone mention the Illuminati?? You mean to tell me that you believe that stuff???:lol

your not allowed to talk about it here, but according to the historical record such a group existed in 1776, the claim to fame slogan was "New world Order" google that phrase and see if its still being pursued today by those at the top............oh maybe its just a coinsidence
 
From a pleasant request , to warning , deletions . We can see that folks would not discuss conspiracies with decorum. Next will be infractions .
 
I can see satan has made it an easy game for him to keep his kingdoms hidden at this site, the bible was right the whole world is deceived.

In any criminal activity the number one rule is follow the money, that rule still stands, its really not that complicated when you just follow the money
 
I can see satan has made it an easy game for him to keep his kingdoms hidden at this site, the bible was right the whole world is deceived.

In any criminal activity the number one rule is follow the money, that rule still stands, its really not that complicated when you just follow the money
Shhhh!!! don't say that stuff on here you might just get kicked off!:o
 
the "four beasts" are the four main iniquities: the physical, the economic(al), the intellectual/psychical, and the spiritual/religious:

- the physical iniquity is: the war, the violence, the thrashing, the coercion, the rape, the enslavement, the ruffianism, the vandalism, etc.

- the economic(al) iniquity is: the speculation, the economic exploitation, the poverty, the economic crisis, the profligacy of the resources, the extortion, the rapine, etc.

- the intellectual/psychical iniquity is: the fraud/trickery, the discrimination, the vain intrigue(s), the unscrupulousness, the mental abuse, the unprincipled treatment, etc.

- the spiritual/religious iniquity is: the (transcendental) "yoga", the occultism/esotericism, the idolatry, the satanism, the misbelief, the obduracy/inhumanity and the impenitence in the faith, etc.

the "fourth beast" is the spiritual/religious iniquity which is the source/cause(-er) of all other iniquities, but is shown after them, because it emerges lastly, for it is the most secret iniquity - because the spiritual is invisible to the physical eyes and pretty impalpable to the human senses/perceptions, the "four beasts" are also the four main earthy/natural activities regardless of whatever iniquity: the physical, the economic(al), the intellectual/mental, and the spiritual/religious, but there is no "fifth kingdom", however all power/reign will pass into the hands of the true Lord God and the true Saints

Daniel 7:1-28 "In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion(viz. it was dignified), and had eagle's wings(i.e. and had an impulse): I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it(viz. i beheld until it started to realize its impulse - note: this is the physical activity and iniquity). And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear(i.e. it was rising to affluence/consuming), and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh(note: this is the economic(-al) activity and iniquity). After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard(i.e. it was intellectual), which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads(i.e. which acted and reasoned with verve); and dominion was given to it(note: this is the intellectual/mental activity and iniquity). After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast(i.e. the spiritual/religious iniquity), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth(i.e. great spiritual wisdom): it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it(i.e. it will turn out that it is the source and supply of all other iniquities even/already from the beginning of the reign of (the) evil): and it was diverse from all the beasts(i.e. because it is the core/root of them) that were before it; and it had ten horns(i.e. it has at least ten chakras i.e. unclean/wicked spirits). I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(i.e. the sixth chakra stood out unlike the other chakras), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots(viz. the first three chakras which primarily represent the sex(-uality) which is deemed/marked for original sin on the part of the system of spiritual/religious iniquity): and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man(or: the two remaining chakras), and a mouth speaking great things(i.e. and a mind which prophesies satanic/unrighteous things). I beheld till the thrones were cast down(i.e. the reign of the "fourth beast" continued to the moment that the number of the true Saints were filled), and the Ancient of days did sit(i.e. and then the true God Father begins to wake up completely and permanently), whose garment was white as snow(i.e. whose glory was perfectly good), and the hair of his head like the pure wool(i.e. and whose wisdom was perfectly loving towards the humans): his throne was like the fiery flame(i.e. His Reign and Spirit was completely righteous), and his wheels as burning fire(i.e. and Its four winds (were) all-saving). A fiery stream(i.e. a Good Word) issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words(viz. of the false prophecies) which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the beasts(i.e. as regards the physical, the economic, and the mental/intellectual activities), they had their dominion taken away(i.e. thus their satanic power had been removed): yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time(i.e. for the specified time)..... I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. These great beasts(i.e. those great iniquities), which are four, are four kings(i.e. are also four activities), which shall arise out of the earth(viz. the physical, the economic, the mental/intellectual and the spiritual/religious). But the saints of the most High(i.e. the true Saints) shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast(i.e. about the spiritual/religious iniquity), which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron(i.e. whose word(-s) was(were) like of God), and his nails of brass(i.e. and its power(-s) of grace); which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet(i.e. which is the source/root of all other iniquities); And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes(or: which brought the uppermost two chakras), and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints(i.e. with the true Saints), and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came(i.e. woke up), and judgment was given to the saints of the most High(i.e. to the true Saints); and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces(i.e. and defile it and try possess it by up to 33.3% of the Heavenly benediction/grace). And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them(i.e. among them, viz. most the process of yoga); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings(i.e. the first three chakras down and will give power to the sixth chakra and the two chakras at the top). And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart."

Blessings
thanks for the book...:lol
 
The "four beasts" are the four main iniquities: the physical, the economic(al), the intellectual/psychical, and the spiritual/religious:

Have you considered what you attribute to iniquities can sing, and it the song of redemption?

Revelation 5:8-10.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
 
Have you considered what you attribute to iniquities can sing, and it the song of redemption?

Revelation 5:8-10.
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


the fact that they are four doesn't mean that it is about the same "beasts" in Daniel 7 chapter, but here is the difference:

Revelation 4:7-8 "the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

as you can see they differ from the four "beasts" in Daniel 7 chapter, but rather have to do with the seraphims:

Isaiah 6:1-3 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory."

at such places of the Scripture as it is in Revelation 13 and Daniel 7 the biblical word "beast" has meaning of devilish spirit which is beneficial/gracious i.e. which (can) provide(s) (a) bliss/benediction/grace, then the "beasts" in Daniel 7 are also the four main earthy/natural activities regardless of any devilish spirit i.e. as particular things

Blessings
 
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there is something always lost when freedom is given up, I can't believe how much truth is being kept from the light
It shouldn't surprise you...THEY control a huge chunk of Christianity... both Protestants and Catholics. They control most of the major semenaries and Christian publishing companies as well as televangelists. This is Satan's world and he has his people in control.:)
 
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
 
satan never has had full control the earth. he was and is described merely as a prince.

from scripture we see that he will control a good portion of it for a short period of time, even overpowering God's saints for a season, but while he can only take their lives, their souls safely are with the Lord
 
The way I understand it in Daniel, the fourth kingdom, or the legs is proably Rome, having two legs signifying how Rome was divided, and even though the western portion fell, most people fail to remember that there was an eastern part which didn't. The fifth kingdom is almost certainly going to Babylon, which hasn't came about yet, but their working on it. They are in fact rebuilding it, and have been for over twenty years. It just hasn't risen to power yet.

I heard a pastor give a great sermon on it before and it made perfect sense, but it's too late to dig out my notes and go into more deteil today on it. I agree with the scriptures posted that say the 5th kingdom is certainly satanic, and not the kingdom of God.




I don't see Rome the human empire as being one the Kingdoms that rise from the earth, I see the kingdom rising out of the Roman Empire but not being the kingdom itself


actually a huge spiritual kingdom did come out of Rome and for awhile it controlled even kings and countries
 
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Here are some verses that prove that Satan is the ruler of this world...i didn't want you to think i was making it up.:)
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 (if the first two didn't convince you then this is deal sealer)lol In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God 2 Cor. 4:4
 
satan never has had full control the earth. he was and is described merely as a prince.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Looks like he is a god also.:)
 
Here are some verses that prove that Satan is the ruler of this world...i didn't want you to think i was making it up.:)
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 (if the first two didn't convince you then this is deal sealer)lol In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God 2 Cor. 4:4

2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Looks like he is a god also.:)

and also John 12:31; Ephesians 2:2; 1 John 5:19
 
Daniel 2:44
Clearly this fifth kingdom is spiritual. Anything carnal has an end.

yes God's kingdom is both Spiritual and it manifest itself in every believer as being a real part of that kingdom, Gods Kingdom is both which should tell you that hermenuetically the previous four kingdoms must also be both spiritual and made up of real people who are apart of these kingdoms
 
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