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    If you believe that as much as you say you do then all you have to do is negate what I'm saying on the one on one. I really think you are afraid of what others will have on record to read.
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    FreeGrace
    Why would I say what I don't believe? Who does that? And I've already negated what you've said. But I thought you were going to set up a one-on-one. Are you?
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    The core of scripture on faith is that faith first must DO something before it justifies. I will affirm that if you will negate. If not, why don't you affirm your position and I will negate it?
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    FreeGrace
    Please provide any verse that "faith first must DO something before it justifies.

    In fact, it is God that does the justifying, not our faith. So you're rather confused.

    We are justified on the basis of faith, not on faith itself.
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    I will affirm: The scriptures teach we are justified by faith when faith works. Please note EVERY WORD IN THAT AFFIRMATION IS FOUND IN THE SCRIPTURE.
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    FreeGrace
    Actually, Rom 5:1 doesn't have the words "when faith works". So your affirmation is not found in Scripture. We are justified by faith, period.

    The only way the Bible speaks of whether faith works or not is in regard to works, in James 2.
    B
    Regarding my last post what are the words you don't like?? Make a suggestion for other words. BTW, I'm been wondering the same thing about you.
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    FreeGrace
    What specifically have you been wondering about me?? I told you specifically what words I didn't like.
    B
    How about something like this: Rom.5:1, but before faith justifies faith must act?
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    FreeGrace
    Like I previously said, I don't agree with your use of words. Do you really want a one-on-one, or just keep commenting on my profile page?
    B
    I haven't actually changed issues. You can , I'm sure make an argument on what you believe it means in Jn.3:16. When I say that the Bible teachesthat faith must first act before God blesses or accepts that faith, how much clearer can that be?? Will God bless my faith before my faith acts? Yes or no? I believe God WILL NOT. If you agree He does NOT then you and I both agree.
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    FreeGrace
    What I don't agree with is your use of words, such as "faith must act", or "bless my faith". I don't find those words in Scripture.
    B
    I will affirm and prove by scripture that man's faith must first act before it is blessed by God. Simple yes or no for you to answer if you can negate it by scripture.
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    FreeGrace
    Well, you didn't actually address or answer my questions. However, I still don't know what it means for "faith must first act". How can I negate what I don't understand?

    I thought your issue was the definition of 'believe' in Jn 3:16. Have you changed issues?
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    I would be willing to affirm that God does not bless one's faith until that faith acts
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    FreeGrace
    What does that even mean? How does God "bless faith", and what does "faith acts" mean? It doesn't matter what one affirms. What matters is what Scripture says.
    B
    I'm not interested in a non-inspired thesaurus definition, but what does Jn.3:16 mean in your Biblical understanding?
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    FreeGrace
    All the synonyms I provided mean what "believe" means. What's so difficult to understand about that?
    B
    It seems we have a big difference of understanding the word "believe". If so please identify your position in the affirmative and if the scripture negates your understanding we will proceed. Your thoughts?
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    FreeGrace
    To believe is to accept a true. Synonyms include:

    accept, admit, conclude, trust, understand, accredit, raffirm, credit, to be certain of, be convinced of, be of the opinion, count on, give credence to, have no doubt, place confidence in, reckon on, rest assured, take as gospel, take at one's word
    From: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/believe
    B
    SINCE YOU ARE NOT A CALVINIST I'm not sure of your position. Is it when one is saved? If so I shall be glad to affirm. If some other let me know. I thought I understood your position. Maybe I'm to dense.
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    It is so awesome and humbliing to know God's grace is free and comes solely because of His love, not because of anything we can do. Bick
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