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This wasn't meant to be a derail. Even if someone is hurting, please lets not drop things that aren't true in effort to encourage or otherwise "help". In the long run it does the opposite.

He isn't the CiC of evil. He is the king of all creation, which includes what became evil. I understand this is being said to build a premise, but nobody is talking about God being the supervisor or foreman of evil, handing out their daily tasks of how to be awful. I'm not missing anything. I...

Incorrect. 1 Samuel 16:14 From the Lord = steer+sponsor

Ok I'll bite. Spooky how? Like a ghost in the machine spooky or a someone isn't exactly telling the truth about things spooky? Or maybe something else entirely. :chin

You would just have to follow the short conversation between wondering and I to see it. The context of "they" are churches that don't feel like following scripture and instead do their own thing. In this particular case it's the selection of elders. Churches with elders appointed in reverse, as...

Entertaining segments of the body that don't operate properly is probably something none of us should be doing, even if we feel the need for a bit o churchiness. It's sort of like economic bailouts. Keep going and they will not only not ever learn, but actually expect support when they...

The picture keeps changing though

Plays a role for many and doesn't play a role for many. It's the reason you didn't roll up your sleeve, the reason I didn't roll up mine. Same goes for millions of my own countrymen. Of course I'm not talking about obedience via threat. That isn't trust.

I'm saying the human nature part is where people don't get trusted just because they are a messenger. Culture tries to influence that to the point people accept messengers due to rank. That entire campaign hasn't been working. Human nature overrides it even in cultures where it's very much...

Yeah. Select elders that are beyond reproach, not someone becomes beyond reproach because they are an elder. I think the Bible is pretty straight forward on that.

What you are describing is more our nature and less culture. Everyone and their dog trying to direct culture right now wants everyone else to ignore the messenger and just accept the message. It's not only not working, but it will continue to not work regardless of the effort put in. Hence why...

You don't like "data" from sites that even an obama birther wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole? 😂

Never heard of this before. Sounds like some judaizing got pulled off. Careful.

Yeah this is what I mean. "Your people" are saying something so you are backing them up, even if it means completely bungling a conversation like you did on the towers. Did you believe what scientists said about oil wells and their limited/finite capacity until they figured out it wasn't true...

I wouldn't bother. You aren't going to find any of those types on here. What you will find are those that relay information and do absolutely no work of their own. After my own recent experiment in a planned conversation to do with cell towers, I can tell you that it's always about narrative...

Censorship. Actors. Amateurs. Not necessarily in that order.

Not trying to be a dirtbag, but are you actually seeing the faces of people speaking this stuff or are you just hearing voices shouting here and there?

I don't see discernment as anything more than what we know as the "smell test". That does not mean that someone with this gift must be able to properly articulate whatever caused a red flag to go up.

Is there room for the possibility for it to be a human endeavor? One where certain powers that be are pushing over-the-top propaganda about it all with the intent and understanding that this process will indeed leave a bad taste in peoples' mouths about the entire ordeal? I'm saying this with...

The guy that stamps his feet while accusing another of frothing. This is so comical.