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“As in Heaven, So in Earth”

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I believe there is a difference between God’s “will” and God’s “desire.” His desire is that angels keep “their first estate,” but His will is “everlasting fire” (Mat 25:41) when they “leave” it (Jude 1:6). Same for man, as He “desires all men to be saved,” and “not desiring that any should perish” (1Ti 2:4; 2Pe 3:9). But His will is that “they that have done good (believed) shall enter “unto the resurrection of life,” and “they that have done evil” shall enter “unto the resurrection of damnation” (Jhn 5:29). I think in this sense it could be said that God’s “will” is done in every being in heaven and earth, but not His “desire,” which is accomplished only in those who are His.

Concerning the Lord’s prayer example (Luk 11:2), the sense is that one day God’s desire will “be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Presently, His will and desire are being done in all believers on earth, also in believers during the Millennial Kingdom on the present earth—and permanently in all on the New Earth!
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“As in Heaven, So in Earth”

It is a grand thing for our souls on the one hand, to be firmly established in the grace of God toward us, to allow no insinuation of the enemy (self, Satan & society - NC) to raise a question touching the efficacy of what the Lord Jesus has wrought for us—the fullness of redemption that is in Him (nothing left to be done on His part concerning the soul, only manifesting Him in our lifestyle on our part - NC). On the other hand, to use all the liberty, the comfort, the certainty of our Father’s love for our souls as a reason for not sparing in us that which is contrary to Him. It is not only that we have the Lord Jesus for us, but we are in Him. What and who is He in whom we are? What does the Father think of the Blessed One in whom He has set us for Himself? Is there a single fault that God finds with the Lord Jesus? Is there a conceivable blessedness that He does not find there?

Now, this is exactly what we want. Full of faults, without a single thing is us (self alone - NC) which the Father’s eye could regard with complacency and delight, He who has chosen to place us in the Lord Jesus before Himself, has been pleased to give us the knowledge of it all. For it is not something done in a corner, or something mysterious and concealed from the knowledge of those to whom this exceeding grace is shown. The God who thought of such mercy had revealed it fully, that we may not have one cloud in our souls, but the positive, absolute, unvarying certainty that we are in Christ Jesus.

We can look back at Adam, and see what we are by nature—not to speak of the bitter fruits all the way through our being. We can see him sinning and rebelling; we can see him covering his sin (Gen 3:7) and throwing the blame upon his wife, and virtually on God Himself (Gen 3:12); we can see his pride and untruthfulness, for such is always the effect of sin naturally. Such is the flesh. But we “are not in the flesh” (Rom 8:9). By that wondrous work of the Lord Jesus, by death and resurrection, God has now a blessed way; and He has applied it to our souls, and given us the knowledge of it, that we are not now regarded as what we were in Adam—we are now new creations in Christ Jesus.

Although there is that which reminds us of what we were, that old, abominable life and nature, which is not in the slightest degree changed by our having a new position (Ro 8:7); yet there is this priceless truth—that the more we enter into our position in the Lord Jesus, and appreciate Him to whom we belong, the less power our old man has to assert himself. Where we question the blessing, and doubt the grace, and hesitate about the reality of our relationship to the Lord Jesus in glory, all is weak, dim and uncertain.

There may be godliness, but it will always be godliness under law—the effort after something in ourselves, instead of living upon what the Father has given us in the Lord Jesus—our Christian “Life” (Col 3:4). Although there may be a measure of separation from sin, yet there will be the danger of thinking how much better we are, or comparing ourselves with other people (2Co 10:12), and thinking we are not quite so bad. All this results from one tragic error—the tendency of man’s heart to think of himself and of what he may be to God (Rom 12:3), instead of thinking of Him who is the fullness of grace, and of what He is to us.

Still, there is a full deliverance—a deliverance that will not be one whit better when we are taken out of this world and brought into heaven (presently-complete-eternally-unchanging salvation of the soul, but not yet the body—NC); for we are not a bit more forgiven in heaven, or more secure in heaven, or more precious to our Father in heaven than we are now made on earth: for what gives us our preciousness and stamps out character before the Father is something that He has given us in His Son while we are on earth. Hence, it is that departing form this life is merely a circumstance; the essence of that blessing is on the Lord Jesus, and we are in Him, and “there is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1).

- J G Bellett (1795 – 1864)




MJS November 6 Devotional excerpt:

For the believer, the dominion of Law is just as devastating as the dominion of Sin. At Calvary, death freed us from both.

“Theological teaching since the Reformation has not set forth clearly our utter end in death with the Lord Jesus on the Cross. The fatal result of this error is to leave the law claimant over those in the Lord Jesus, for ‘the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth’ (Rom. 7:1). Unless you are able to believe in your very heart that you died with Him, and that you were buried, and that your history before the Father in Adam the first came to an utter end at Calvary you will never get free from the claims of the law upon your conscience.” -W.R.N.

 

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Joshua 24:

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 

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Joshua 24:

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. 15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Hi FHG! I always appreciate your replies! It's always encouraging to see how God dealt with His people Israel when they had the opportunity to fellowship with Him in the Mosaic Covenant, but now must not only believe in God but "also in" Christ (Jhn 14:1).
One advantage pre-Cross was the visible proof of God and His loving deliverance, but the fellowship wasn't as close as it is now for the believer post-Cross due to the indwelling and rebirth of the Spirit of God and of Christ.

It's my understanding that when people reach a certain point-of-accountability, which I think accords with each in their understanding between them and God, He works on drawing them, and of course He knows who is and isn't going to resist Him. But once we choose to be in Him from the goodness of His drawing, most of our choices from then on are influenced and controlled by Him and we are no longer self-controlled.

This is where I believe many get confused and think one who is reborn can choose to return to living after sin, but in reality they are yet in there sin and have not truly decided to receive Christ. Upon rebirth we are no longer our own as was within the sin nature, but are now the Lord's, by His Spirit in the new nature, which answers to why being reborn is "irrevocable" (Rom 11:29); even though many Scriptures passages appear to be teaching otherwise--but in truth they are written to entreat continued seeking and reading for understanding. I believe God can be resisted if we do not choose Him, but we cannot resist Him after we do choose Him, because He "works in you" to avoid resisting Him, which otherwise we would (Phl 2:13).

God's blessings to your Family Sis!
 

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His will done in Heaven and on earth.
“As in Heaven, So in Earth” (As above, so below)
There is a HUGE difference in these two statements.
The first is a prayer Jesus taught The will of the Father in Heaven and on Earth.

The second is a catchphrase from Hermetic Mysticism that is a basis of the teaching of "All is the same in THE ONE as in heaven so on earth. It is from this idea that the teaching of all is in god all is god of mysticism comes from.

I just find it interesting if we are not very careful how we say things the error we may allow.

Here is the quote
”–The Kybalion A STUDY OF THE HERMETIC PHILOSOPHY OF ANCIENT EGYPT AND GREECE

THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE.​
“As above, so below; as below, so above.
This Principle embodies the truth that there is always a Correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the various planes of Being and Life. The old Hermetic axiom ran in these words: “As above, so below; as below, so above.” And the grasping of this Principle gives one the means of solving many a dark paradox, and hidden secret of Nature. There are planes beyond our knowing, but when we apply the Principle of Correspondence to them we are able to understand much that would otherwise be unknowable to us. This Principle is of universal application and manifestation, on the various planes of the material, mental, and spiritual universe–it is an Universal Law. The ancient Hermetists considered this Principle as one of the most important mental instruments by which man was able to pry aside the obstacles which hid from view the Unknown. Its use even tore aside the Veil of Isis to the extent that a glimpse of the face of the goddess might be caught. Just as a knowledge of the Principles of Geometry enables man to measure distant suns and their movements, while seated in his observatory, so a knowledge of the Principle of Correspondence enables Man to reason intelligently from the Known to the Unknown. Studying the monad, he understands the archangel.
 

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Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

God's kingdom did come to earth by that of His only begotten Son Christ Jesus who taught us the will of God who is in heaven. Jesus told us that the kingdom of heaven/God, as I think they are both the same, is within us through that of the Spiritual rebirth. So whatever is done in heaven that is God's will so will it be here on earth through us.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
 

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His will done in Heaven and on earth.
“As in Heaven, So in Earth” (As above, so below)
There is a HUGE difference in these two statements.
The first is a prayer Jesus taught The will of the Father in Heaven and on Earth.

The second is a catchphrase from Hermetic Mysticism that is a basis of the teaching of "All is the same in THE ONE as in heaven so on earth. It is from this idea that the teaching of all is in god all is god of mysticism comes from.

I just find it interesting if we are not very careful how we say things the error we may allow.
Hi and appreciate your reply and concern. Just wanted to share with you that if we are seeking truth and happen to misunderstand something someone is sharing, we will still find the truth even if one is intentionally mixing error with truth, because the "Spirit will guide you into all truth" (Jhn 16:13).


God bless!
 

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His will done in Heaven and on earth.
“As in Heaven, So in Earth” (As above, so below)
There is a HUGE difference in these two statements.
The first is a prayer Jesus taught The will of the Father in Heaven and on Earth.

The second is a catchphrase from Hermetic Mysticism that is a basis of the teaching of "All is the same in THE ONE as in heaven so on earth. It is from this idea that the teaching of all is in god all is god of mysticism comes from.

I just find it interesting if we are not very careful how we say things the error we may allow.

Here is the quote
”–The Kybalion A STUDY OF THE HERMETIC PHILOSOPHY OF ANCIENT EGYPT AND GREECE

THE PRINCIPLE OF CORRESPONDENCE.​
“As above, so below; as below, so above.
This Principle embodies the truth that there is always a Correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the various planes of Being and Life. The old Hermetic axiom ran in these words: “As above, so below; as below, so above.” And the grasping of this Principle gives one the means of solving many a dark paradox, and hidden secret of Nature. There are planes beyond our knowing, but when we apply the Principle of Correspondence to them we are able to understand much that would otherwise be unknowable to us. This Principle is of universal application and manifestation, on the various planes of the material, mental, and spiritual universe–it is an Universal Law. The ancient Hermetists considered this Principle as one of the most important mental instruments by which man was able to pry aside the obstacles which hid from view the Unknown. Its use even tore aside the Veil of Isis to the extent that a glimpse of the face of the goddess might be caught. Just as a knowledge of the Principles of Geometry enables man to measure distant suns and their movements, while seated in his observatory, so a knowledge of the Principle of Correspondence enables Man to reason intelligently from the Known to the Unknown. Studying the monad, he understands the archangel.
Why would any Christian follow the pagan teachings of Hermes Trismegistus that led scientists to look to magic and the arts of alchemy and astrology which is forbidden by God.
 

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Why would any Christian follow the pagan teachings of Hermes Trismegistus that led scientists to look to magic and the arts of alchemy and astrology which is forbidden by God.
That is a very good Question I truly wish I had the answer. But , look at the "New Age Movement" in America today and compare it to Hermes teaching they are the same in more ways than not. The "Emerging CHristianity" today is a very old pagan way of thinking. "How can I do what I want to and call it GOOD"
 

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Any self proclaimed religion like New Age, Scientology, Mormon, Jehovah Witness etc. etc. that denies the sovereignty of God will never do the will of God here on earth as being God's will in heaven. They actually bow down to the deceits of Satan who is becomes their god unaware.
 

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