I_love_Springtime
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Is the millennial reign mentioned in the old testament writings? (Rev 20)
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1000 year reign
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dianegcook
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There is more written about it in the Old, than in the New.
Try Ezek. chapter 40 through chapter 48.
Try also Isa.51:11 thru Isa.66:24
Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the premillinialists have as the basis for the "1000 year reign." Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.
John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
Those who reign with Christ are those souls that had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus. In Revelations 6:9-11, are the souls of martyrs who had been slain for the word of God under an altar crying for vengeance. In Rev 20:4 the martyrs are on thrones. The difference between these scriptures is God's judgment has already come to those certain martyrs. The victory came in the spiritual realm of God, not the physical, and God assured their victory.
John was shown in a vision those souls that already had the victory over death as being in Christ. When we who are of Christ die before His return God has already passed judgement on us and we have the victory in Christ over that of the second death, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57. Those who are not of Christ will be judged and cast into the lake of fire. There is only one resurrection, but two judgements, John 5:28, 29. Those in Christ are raised first as those still alive at His coming will be gathered and caught up together to meet Christ in the air to be with Christ for eternity, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The rest are then raised for their judgement as rejecting Christ and there forever have their place in the lake of fire. Rev 20:4 says nothing about Jesus coming to this earth and establishing a worldly kingdom at Jerusalem.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(notice as is in being figurative and not literal.)
Nathan12
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Not specifically as "one thousand years" but very definitely as the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Christ on earth.
Indeed, there are scores of Scriptures relating to the Kingdom of God on earth under Christ.
Nathan12
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This is typical Amillennialist nonsense. The fact of the matter is that "one (a) thousand years" (Gk chilia ete) is mentioned SIX TIMES within seven verses, so that there is absolutely every reason to believe that this is a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ with His saints on earth. The prophecies of Ezekiel and almost all the OT prophets speak of this reign of Christ but also speak of it as an eternal Kingdom. Therefore the Millenniuum is simply the beginning of Christ's literal, physical and spiritual, visible, and tangible reign on earth.
We are not at liberty to arbitrarily call things symbolic when they are literal. That leads to a lot of spiritual confusion and error.
JohnDB
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Easy there cowboy,
The Early Church Fathers debated both sides of this notion. Some believed in a literal 1,000 year reign and some did not. The symbolic nature of the 1,000 year reign is as valid a viewpoint as is the literal one.
There was never a consensus as to what it meant as there is not one today.
Obviously you hold to a literal 1,000 year reign. That doesn't mean that others with as much sinsceretey as you can't see a different viewpoint.
Some believed that it was a reference to a often made Hebrew writing mistake with a vowel point. The vowel point making "forever" or "eternal" a 1,000 years. And understanding Hebrew metaphoric expression, it can go both ways simultaneously.
Again disrespect and also no scriptural evidence of what you claim.
The 1000 years is the seventh day, “Sabbath” the weekly Sabbath points us to.
The rest to come.
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:8-10
Peter speaking bunthe Spirit shows us “one day” is as a thousand years.
That Day is the Sabbath. The rest to come.
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:1-8
Key Verses:
- Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
- For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.
Paul here is indicating, that the “seventh day rest” referred to in Genesis is future, by adding “they shall not enter my rest”.
“They shall not enter my rest” is indicating a future rest.
Jesus affirms this when He says...
My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
- For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
Jesus said it this way -
- My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
For this reason the Jews persecuted Jesus, and sought to kill Him, because He had done these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:16-18
JLB
Yes ma’am.
Can you agree that there is a rest to come?
There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.
JLB
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Shilohsfoal
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If im not mistaken the last day is the seventh day.
You must be thinking of the seventh day sabbath which is different then the rest we will have when Christ returns and we will be caught up to meet Him in the air and evermore be with Him in the New Jerusalem. The rest we will have is that of all the persecutions of this wicked world we live in.
Shilohsfoal
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You was talking about the last day when Christ would come.
If im not mistaken ,the last day is the seventh day.Yes,it is a day of rest.
The seventh prophetic day will be 1000 years.
It’s the rest to come that the weekly Sabbath points to.
Prophetically it will start in the evening of the sixth day, which is the last day of this age.
Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.
It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-7
- But at evening time it shall happen that it will be light.
JLB
If the last day is the seventh day then that would be saying Jesus will return on a Saturday. See what I am saying. If this were so then every Saturday we would be looking for Him to return that day.
Jesus already gave us what to watch for in Matthew 24:29-31. Whether the 1000 year reign is literal or symbolic has always been debated, but the point being Our rest is that of no longer facing any more trials and tribulations that come against us in this world. It will be our rest in the Lord.
Shilohsfoal
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No Im not talking saturday as a mans day.
I talking about a day as to te Lord.
Have you ever heard of the general epistle of Barnabus,written between 70-132 ad?
If so,you could say i believe pretty much the same as he has written.
As to trials and tribulation i dont know.Im not sure i would be there to keep that day.Not all of the dead are raised in the first resurrection.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I haven't read the book of Barnabas, but am going to read it after I'm done reading the book of Judith.
As for trials and tribulations we face them everyday here on earth. Whether you and I are still alive at the sounding of the seven trumpets of God's fierce wrath being poured out into the world we don't know. But if we are this will be the greatest time of faith as we trust in the Lord as we continue to preach the Gospel of grace to those who will have ears to hear.
As for the resurrection there is only one, but two different judgments.
When I read all the scriptures of Jesus sitting at the right hand of God and these scriptures that speak about the judgement of Christ, the judgement seat of Christ, the Great White throne judgement where God is sitting on the throne and the books that are opened, Matthew 25:31-34; John 5:27-29; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Rev 11:18; Rev 20:4-6; Rev 20:11, 12, this makes me believe that at the Great White Throne judgement God will be sitting on His throne and Jesus is there seated at Gods right hand now on His throne of glory.
All (saints and sinners) have been called from their graves (one resurrection) and the sheep are then separated from the goats as the sheep, being those of God and His Son will stand before the judgement seat of Christ as they have been given their new glorified bodies and their names found in the book of life. They will then be judged for their good works they did as being the continued works of the Lord being in Gods will and receive their rewards and their inheritance of the Kingdom of God. The goats being those who are not Gods will be judged out of the other books and their judgement is that of rejecting God and His Son and their punishment is being cast into the lake of fire.
Shilohsfoal
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Actually the book of revelation reveals not one but two resurections.The first at the beginning of the 1000 year reign and the second at the end .
The first resurrection contains those who died for thier testimony of Jesus and did not worship the beast or his image.
Revelation 20:4 - Satan Bound
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or...
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Revelation 20:5 - Satan Bound
The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection.
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Revelation 20:6 - Satan Bound
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
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Revelation 20:12 - The Final Judgment
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.
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Im thankful God has revealed these things to us .Im sure Paul and Peter as well as the other apostles would have loved to had known these things as well but it was not given to them to know.
Im sure God has his reasons for waiting till after they had died before revealing these things through John .
It is my belief that those in the first resurection are al Israelis and they keep the Sabbath.