1000 year reign

[JLB]

I've been working on this since this morning as I could never figure out where the part came in where Jesus steps foot on the mount of Olives in His second coming. I present this for your consideration and not to be debated, only discussed.

We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.

Matthew 24:29-31 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host of heaven as He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the kings (Rulers of every nation) on the earth and their armies that followed after the beast and his false prophet that go out to the battle of Armageddon as this army is sent out to kill Christ when they see Him and the saints with Him return and plants His feet on the mount of Olives, Zechariah 14:1-4.

The remnant, like the beast and false prophet, will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their demise and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with those ungodly that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and ever and the saints will then begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.

Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the kings/rulers from every nation are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints that are camped upon the breadth of the earth. Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9 the saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast onto the lake of fire.

John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other book is opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now condemned and cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints on on the earth it will be made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven.

Side note: IMO 1000 years in Rev 20 is not literal years, but only symbolic of a certain period of time as nowhere else in scripture other than Rev 20 does it mention a literal 1000 year reign of Christ here on earth, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

2 Peter is literal and refers to the Second Coming and the time of the reign with Christ.


It is the Sabbath rest.

The 7000th year.


Each 1000 years refers to a day of the week, prophetically.

We are approaching the end of the 6th prophetic day.







JLB

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Where does John teach us about the false messiah coming to the temple tp proclaim himself as God?




JLB

Paul was teaching what was prophecied by the prophet Daniel.
Not the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants .
See how you had to stray from the topic.
You cant show where Paul knew anything about those who died for thier testimony of Christ and which had not worshiped the beast or his image because Paul didnt know about it.Paul died before the revelation was given to John to send to the churches.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Just because Paul may not have mentioned some of the things listed means nothing. It is not Peter, Paul, and John who originated Bible prophecy. They simply wrote what they received from the Holy Spirit by divine revelation. And all Scripture must be taken into account for any prophecy, since there are prophecies from Genesis to Revelation which touch on all these matters.
1. There is a first resurrection, which pertains to Christ and the saints, and it is in three phases.
2. There is a second (or last) resurrection which pertains to the unsaved dead, following which there will be no more death.
3. There is a Mark of the Beast which will be applied to almost all the inhabitants of the world during the reign of the Antichrist.
4. There is a 1,000 year reign of Christ during which Satan will be bound, and there will be universal peace and righteousness.

Actually the mark of the beast is not a world wide event.
All one needs to do to escape the reach of the beast is to leave his kingdom.

 

[JLB]

Paul was teaching what was prophecied by the prophet Daniel.
Not the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to him to show his servants .
See how you had to stray from the topic.
You cant show where Paul knew anything about those who died for thier testimony of Christ and which had not worshiped the beast or his image because Paul didnt know about it.Paul died before the revelation was given to John to send to the churches.

I agree. Paul died before the revelation of John.


Again.

I asked you a question.


Did John teach about the rapture?


Each have us a piece of the whole picture.


All of Christ’s people will be gathered unto him at the resurrection and rapture, at His coming.


All will reign with Him in the regeneration, which is called the millennium.


The resurrection and rapture at His coming is the first resurrection.



JLB

 

[Nathan12]

Actually the mark of the beast is not a world wide event.
All one needs to do to escape the reach of the beast is to leave his kingdom.

We should let Scripture show us that the Mark of the Beast will indeed be a worldwide event, and only a few will reject it and be beheaded. There will be no escape from this kingdom. It will be "Submit or die".

REVELATION 13
4 And they worshipped the dragon [Satan] which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast [the Antichrist], saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [3 1/2 years]
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. [the whole world]
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, [worldwide] whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world...
12 And he [another beast = the False Prophet] exerciseth all the power of the first beast [the Antichrist] before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed...
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. [beheaded see Rev 20:4]
16 And he causeth all [the whole world], both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[JLB]

You cant show where Paul knew anything about those who died for thier testimony of Christ and which had not worshiped the beast or his image

Why do I need to show this.


I have already shown where Paul taught of the resurrection and rapture at His coming.


This of course is the first resurrection.

When He returns and resurrects the dead in Christ on the last day.



JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

2 Peter is literal and refers to the Second Coming and the time of the reign with Christ.


It is the Sabbath rest.

The 7000th year.


Each 1000 years refers to a day of the week, prophetically.

We are approaching the end of the 6th prophetic day.







JLB

Which chapter and verse are you referring to in 2 Peter so I can read it before I reply.

 

[Randy]

No,you will not be able to convince me to add anyone else to the verse.

Revelation 20:4 - Satan Bound

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or...

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PS.Jesus said his elect would be gathered from one end of heaven to the other.

Matthew 24:31 And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

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I take it you believe you are his elect.

I do belong to Jesus.
And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

As Paul wrote the dead in Christ rise first then those left alive on earth are caught up and clothed with immortality.

Taken as a whole all Gods children are gathered. All with be clothed with new bodies not of the dust of the earth. As Jesus stated they will never die.

Randy

 

[Randy]

Ummm...
I am trying to end the arguing and begin a healthy discussion.
I have never (and won't) give my views on "End Times".
(and if I may say way way too much...There is a prohibition from giving any dissertation on the decoding of the Revelation by John by those who understand it in the fashion which I do...so I do not generally explain John's Apocalypse)

I am not suggesting that you justify the text...only give reasons for why you believe it to be literal vx figurative language and why. Is the language metaphoric? Is the language literal? Why do you believe it to be this way? Is there a possibility that it is metaphoric in nature? If it is metaphoric in nature what does it mean? If it is literal then why would God say what He said. (God always has had a reason in the past for saying things in the manner which He said them in)
IOW a grammatical and internal evidence exegesis of the scriptures you are trying to explain along side of the cultural and historical and geographical sciences applied to the text.

And that is the nut that this squirrel is trying to get at.
quick quips aren't going to explain this.
AND
As I was saying before...this isn't so much directed at you specifically but to everyone involved with this thread.

You ask me why I believe in the scripture as given. "Faith" I consider it a trustworthy source. I don't see figurative language in a length of time given to man in this testimony.
Its quite clear to me the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous is not at the same time. Unless one reduces a 1000 years to zero. To me such change is unbelief and a untrustworthy testimony. You can't teach that with any amount of certainty or assurance from above that is truth from God. Any other length of time that contradicts the written testimony is pure assumption and guess work. And this testimony was given to man not God. Ref a 1000 years to man is but one day to God.

They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

However the beast and His false prophet were condemned at Jesus's coming unlike Satan who was bound. Again not at the same time.
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You ask me why I believe in the scripture as given. "Faith" I consider it a trustworthy source. I don't see figurative language in a length of time given to man in this testimony.
Its quite clear to me the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous is not at the same time. Unless one reduces a 1000 years to zero. To me such change is unbelief and a untrustworthy testimony. You can't teach that with any amount of certainty or assurance from above that is truth from God. Any other length of time that contradicts the written testimony is pure assumption and guess work. And this testimony was given to man not God. Ref a 1000 years to man is but one day to God.

They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

However the beast and His false prophet were condemned at Jesus's coming unlike Satan who was bound. Again not at the same time.
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

The only problem i see is you judge everyone in the last resurection and scripture does not say this is a resurection of the unrighteous.

Revelation 20:12 - The Final Judgment

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.

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Revelation 20:13 - The Final Judgment

The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.

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Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death--the lake of fire.

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Revelation 20:15 And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

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Just because someone wasnt resurected in the first resurection does not condemn them.They will be judged for everythig they have done both good and bad.Then those whos names are not written in the book of life will be cast ito the fire.
It doesnot call those whos names are found written,in the book of life"unrighteous"

 

[Randy]

The only problem i see is you judge everyone in the last resurection and scripture does not say this is a resurection of the unrighteous.

Revelation 20:12 - The Final Judgment

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books.

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Revelation 20:13 - The Final Judgment

The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.

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Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death--the lake of fire.

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Revelation 20:15 And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

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Just because someone wasnt resurected in the first resurection does not condemn them.They will be judged for everythig they have done both good and bad.Then those whos names are not written in the book of life will be cast ito the fire.
It doesnot call those whos names are found written,in the book of life"unrighteous"

I don't have that problem because I see "the" resurrection on the last day.
Therefore those not raised on that day must be those who suffer.

 

[JLB]

Which chapter and verse are you referring to in 2 Peter so I can read it before I reply.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
The Day of the Lord
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:8-10




JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
The Day of the Lord
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 2 Peter 3:8-10




JLB

The Lord's day being the day of the Lord is a day of Gods great wrath being poured out on those who refuse to repent. It is always pointed out as the day at hand meaning in Gods timing in Rev 1:10. The phrase "the day of the Lord" is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10; Rev 1:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Lord's day only appears once in scripture in Rev 1:10. It gives no reference to what day of the week it was as every day is the Lord's day, but more specific is also referred to the Sabbath day beginning Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset.

John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, but yet in his physical body when he received from the angel Jesus sent to him all these revelations that he wrote down. Throughout scripture the Lord's day is usually referred to as the Sabbath being the seventh day of the week, Genesis 2:1-3 a day of rest.

2 Peter 3:1-10

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Peter is not talking about six days of creation with the seven day as a sabbath. The full context is Peter addressing the mockers about the return of Christ, 2 Peter 3:1-7. Peter is actually quoting Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. This also parallels with Psalms 63:6 and Psalms 119:148 that speak of night watches that we read in 2 Peter 3:10 that Jesus will come as a thief in the night and that we just need to be ready as we watch for His return, Matthew 24:43; 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

Vs. 8-10 Peter gives the manifestation of the day of the Lord and if you take notice of the "is" and "as" in vs. 8 they are a figure of speach or a simile as being like a thousand years, but yet God's timing, not our timing. It's also like "a twinkling of an eye" in 1 Corinthians 15:2 as you can not define a twinkling in measurement of time. Man's literal counting of days is not always how God numbers days in hours, minutes or seconds.

This is why I do not consider 1000 years as being literal in 2 Peter 3:8 or Rev 20, but symbolic as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus stated He would gather from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
It was well understood and taught that was on the last day the resurrection of us all and it was a bodily resurrection. Therefore those not raised on that day must be those that suffer.

But if I am unable to convince you the two witnesses in Rev are of God then a doubt I will change your outlook in this matter.

We are not here to convince anyone to believe as we do, but to give what we believe and discuss our indifference's without debate and forcing the other to believe what we present.

 

[for_his_glory]

Actually the mark of the beast is not a world wide event.
All one needs to do to escape the reach of the beast is to leave his kingdom.

Please keep your post to the question asked in the OP. The mark of the beast is another topic of discussion and sways away from the OP. You are more than welcome to start a new thread on the mark of the beast.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Please keep your post to the question asked in the OP. The mark of the beast is another topic of discussion and sways away from the OP. You are more than welcome to start a new thread on the mark of the beast.

I didnt start it.If you look at my post it was a reply to someone elses post.But if you like i will stop posting.

 

[for_his_glory]

I didnt start it.If you look at my post it was a reply to someone elses post.But if you like i will stop posting.

I know it was a reply, but yet allows for others to sway away from the OP as it will end up being a discussion about everyone's belief in the mark of the beast. Just trying to keep the discussions flowing on the topic of 1000 year reign. There is no need for you to stop posting.

 

[JLB]

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This is a scriptural key to understanding the 1000 year milineal reign of Christ as being the Sabbath rest the weekly Sabbath points to.



JLB

 

[Nathan12]

This is a scriptural key to understanding the 1000 year milineal reign of Christ as being the Sabbath rest the weekly Sabbath points to.

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (Isa 11:10)