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What would you do if you found out that there were thirteen years remaining to the End of this Age?

Would you party and sin until the last year?

Or would you devote yourself that much more to Christ and begin to Preach his Kingdom come?
 

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"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36 NIV)

In light of the words of Jesus himself above, are you possibly then saying that we can know the year, since Jesus only specified the day and the hour? I never really thought this meant we could know the year either.
 
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"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36 NIV)

In light of the words of Jesus himself above, are you possibly then saying that we can know the year, since Jesus only specified the day and the hour? I never really thought this meant we could know the year either.
Yes I do believe that we can know the year.

I welcome and appreciate the use of Mathew 24:36. For that is a very interesting saying indeed. Examine the sequence of what our Master is saying there ...
Look at what follows verse 36 ...

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Isn't that interesting. On the one hand the Lord tells us we cannot know the day or the hour but then compares his second coming to the days of Noah! Sure we can argue that he mentioned eating, drinking and marrying, but can we really ignore the fact that along with those details, it was also a fact that Noah was informed of the time the Flood would begin, before it began?

Jesus was known to speak in parables to some and plainly to others. Look at Mathew 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?â€
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

And what about Amos 3:7
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

So yes, I do believe that some of the Lord's people, will know the timing of the second coming.

 

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Interesting. I've noticed that part about Noah before too and wondered about that. (I did look at your timeline pdf too. You put a lot of work into that and I found it interesting.)
 
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Interesting. I've noticed that part about Noah before too and wondered about that. (I did look at your timeline pdf too. You put a lot of work into that and I found it interesting.)
Thanks.

I have provided all the scriptures necessary to proof the years.

The two pivotal and questionable events of the timeline for some would be the 483 years of Daniel's 69 weeks, which most scholars believe are a day for a year and the Dome of the Rock as the Abomination of Desolation. Everything else in it is pretty much rock solid.
 

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I wonder (and this is just a thought off the top of my head), could Jesus have been addressing those alive at the time and for the foreseeable future when he said "no one will know" but as the time gets closer, some will have it revealed to them, such as Noah was told about the flood? IDK, it's just a thought I just had.
 
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I wonder (and this is just a thought off the top of my head), could Jesus have been addressing those alive at the time and for the foreseeable future when he said "no one will know" but as the time gets closer, some will have it revealed to them, such as Noah was told about the flood? IDK, it's just a thought I just had.
Yes some of us will know indeed.

Leviticus 23. The appointed times or in Hebrew Moedim.

Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Pentecost, Day of the Horn, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles.

Passover - Jesus Crucified as the Lamb of God
Unleavened Bread - Jesus body dead in the Tomb - and he gave them bread and said take eat this is my body
Firstfruits - Christ risen and presented before his father - do not touch me for I have not yet ascended
Pentecost - New Covenant written on tables of disciples heart by the Holy Spirit
Day of the Horn - Feast of trumpets - Christ descends to Earth mountain of Olives
Day of Atonement - Great white throne judgment
Tabernacles - Christ dwells with man in the New Earth for eternity

Christ was right on time with the first four appointed times and he will be right on time with the final three.
 

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"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36 NIV)

In light of the words of Jesus himself above, are you possibly then saying that we can know the year, since Jesus only specified the day and the hour? I never really thought this meant we could know the year either.
Yes I do believe that we can know the year.

I welcome and appreciate the use of Mathew 24:36. For that is a very interesting saying indeed. Examine the sequence of what our Master is saying there ...
Look at what follows verse 36 ...

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Isn't that interesting. On the one hand the Lord tells us we cannot know the day or the hour but then compares his second coming to the days of Noah! Sure we can argue that he mentioned eating, drinking and marrying, but can we really ignore the fact that along with those details, it was also a fact that Noah was informed of the time the Flood would begin, before it began?

Jesus was known to speak in parables to some and plainly to others. Look at Mathew 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

And what about Amos 3:7
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

So yes, I do believe that some of the Lord's people, will know the timing of the second coming.

Which ties in perfectly with the phrase - The Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.

For us it will not come as a thief.

For the world it will come as a thief.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5

For Noah, this judgement did not overtake him as a thief.

For the Nephilim and the rest, it did overtake them as a thief.


So yes, we are supposed to know when the lord returns.

That is why he gave us the signs.

The abomination of desolation.

Finally, the sun, moon and stars...


JLB
 

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"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36 NIV)

In light of the words of Jesus himself above, are you possibly then saying that we can know the year, since Jesus only specified the day and the hour? I never really thought this meant we could know the year either.
The Coming of Yeshua was compared to the feast of Trumpets. A straightforward quotation of "no man knows the day or hour" has a different connotation in their culture. Their calendar was lunar, and the month started with the new moon. Most of Yahweh's feasts occurred mid-month so once the start of the month was established, one could prepare for them. However, the feast of the Trumpets, falling on new moon, was different. Nobody knew the day or hour the sighting would be confirmed, and thus one had to watch. They did know the general time frame, however, so one can deduce when Yeshua's return is at the doorstep.

This is why Christians ought to keep the feasts of Yahweh --- they contain rich prophecy and insight into the redemption of mankind. So, for those who watch this will not take them by surprise, as they know when the trumpet call will be at the doorstep. But instead of watching, there's many Christians out there who misquote scripture saying we don't have to observe the feasts. It's these who will be taken by surprise. You know what will happen to them when Yeshua returns? Nothing. They will be here with the rest of the world being judged.
 

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Take a look at this timeline I generated from the scriptures. If the timeline is true... we have thirteen years to the end of the age.
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/6187950/the-little-scroll-24-x-36-pdf-1-3-meg?dn=y&dnad=y
Yes, so that's how you did it. I did something similar. Placing the genealogies together and going by the idea 6000 years is given to man, I came out to something like 2018 or 2019 (I forget which).

Then, using the Dome of the Rock prophecy (Sir Isaac Newton was into that as well) I also came out to either 2018 or 2019. The reason I mentioned the both years is because using these two methods differed by only one year and I forgot which was which.

However...... being cautious here because depending which genealogical data is used in the bible,one can get a somewhat different outcome by a few years --- there's different genealogical paths. Geeeeez. I should have saved my work, but now you get me wanting to try this over again. Obviously I used a different date for the Dome of the Rock abomination of desolation.

Speaking of Sir Isaac Newton, he was cautious setting dates, but he did not believe the end was to come any time before 2060 (and that is the early end of the spectrum). And also speaking of him, I don't feel so bad misplacing my calculations because Newton did the same thing when an astronomer asked him for his original calculations regarding the orbits of planets. :lol
 

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I have provided all the scriptures necessary to proof the years.
Pardon my noticing but have you? There are allegations regarding "telescoping" that speak to the introduction of a possible error in the Shem to Arphaxad and on time-frame.

Here's a summary of the discussion:

Telescoping[*]: Luke 3:35-36 compared to Genesis 10:24, 11:12; 1 Chronicles 1:24
Luke contains the name Cainan between Shelah and Arphaxad that is missing in Genesis 10:24 and 11:12 and 1 Chronicles 1:24. Since all of the genealogies are true and Luke is the one with more names, then Luke must be more complete and the rest more (or less) 'telescoped'.

I'm not being overly critical here (am I?), just mentioning there is some degree of controversy on the matter.


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FOOTNOTES:
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^ 'Telescoping'
The name Cainan does appear in all three of these passages in some late copies of the Greek Septuagint. However, it is missing from the most reliable ancient texts: the Hebrew Masoretic text, the earliest copies of the Greek Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, the Samaritan Pentateuch, and all other ancient translations of the Old Testament.
 

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Say Joe.. in the day's of Noah God had a timeline..

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

:twocents

tob
 
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tim-from-pa - awesome wisdom man - keep up the good work! I tell people that all the time! Know and understand the Feast Days! And you are spot on about calculating the Day of the Horn. Yom Terua. OR Feast of Ttrumpets. That is why you cannot calculate the day or the hour :)

turnorburn - I know :) But I don't want to come across like a know it all LOL

sparrowhawke - I don't believe the bible has errors :)

Thanks for checking out my Timeline.

Hey you guys should check out these two videos. Things may get ugly by 2014 or 2015.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lcsv4t9SzTg#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlrDYRVlUf0
 

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thanks sparrow that is what I need for another thread.
 

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