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Well I'm new and I'm just going to jump in with both feet on this one!

I believe we can learn from nature to help us get clearer understanding about bible topics. In nature there is a very strong cycle of 'rest' build into the living world. All mammals have a sleep cycle and even the earth has the seasons of winter to summer which also are a type of rest. Then of course we have the bible account of God saying he worked and then rested on the 7th day. As well we also have the accounts of the 7th year sabbath and the 50th year for resting the land and all the people.

Yet Jesus also spoke of giving us rest which I'm sure the hebrew listeners would have connected to the sabbath.


Matthew 11:28 NAS

"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 NAS

"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

Hebrews 4:9 NAS

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

OK now the point I'm trying to make.....I agree we have a kind of rest now within our faith in Christ howeverI see the future at Christs return as the time a truly great Sabbath rest is to happen during the '1000's year'.

However I'm also seeing a strong connection between the mark of the beast 666 and this great rest to come.

Revelation 14:11 NAS

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever ; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

hear me out just a little longer.....

Recall there was three main sabbath rests, the weekly, 7th year, and the 7th of the 7th year, three Sabbaths of 7 all in which the observer would find rest and yet the ones with the mark of 666 have NO REST, that surely has to mean something???


I believe there are deeper lessons to be learned and understood from the purpose of the Sabbath being added to the 10 laws.

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Well I'm new and I'm just going to jump in with both feet on this one!

I believe we can learn from nature to help us get clearer understanding about bible topics. In nature there is a very strong cycle of 'rest' build into the living world. All mammals have a sleep cycle and even the earth has the seasons of winter to summer which also are a type of rest. Then of course we have the bible account of God saying he worked and then rested on the 7th day. As well we also have the accounts of the 7th year sabbath and the 50th year for resting the land and all the people.

Yet Jesus also spoke of giving us rest which I'm sure the hebrew listeners would have connected to the sabbath.


Matthew 11:28 NAS

"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 NAS

"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

Hebrews 4:9 NAS

So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

OK now the point I'm trying to make.....I agree we have a kind of rest now within our faith in Christ howeverI see the future at Christs return as the time a truly great Sabbath rest is to happen during the '1000's year'.

However I'm also seeing a strong connection between the mark of the beast 666 and this great rest to come.

Revelation 14:11 NAS

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever ; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

hear me out just a little longer.....

Recall there was three main sabbath rests, the weekly, 7th year, and the 7th of the 7th year, three Sabbaths of 7 all in which the observer would find rest and yet the ones with the mark of 666 have NO REST, that surely has to mean something???


I believe there are deeper lessons to be learned and understood from the purpose of the Sabbath being added to the 10 laws.

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Uh, maybe...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
 
I agree we are no longer to be judged by others that is how the old law was maintained, now it's just between us and God, we need to get the sense of his wil/lawl within our heart. I believe we are still looking for the completion of the 'things to come' which the law was a shadow. Jesus was the beginning but the law still needs to be completely written in our hearts as it was in Christs heart and receive eternal life. I see all of that as part of the 1000's years.

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I agree we are no longer to be judged by others that is how the old law was maintained, now it's just between us and God, we need to get the sense of his wil/lawl within our heart. I believe we are still looking for the completion of the 'things to come' which the law was a shadow. Jesus was the beginning but the law still needs to be completely written in our hearts as it was in Christs heart and receive eternal life. I see all of that as part of the 1000's years.

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I think what I said went over your head, the Sabbaths (weekly and annual) are shadows of things that are yet to come.
 
I agree we are no longer to be judged by others that is how the old law was maintained, now it's just between us and God, we need to get the sense of his wil/lawl within our heart. I believe we are still looking for the completion of the 'things to come' which the law was a shadow. Jesus was the beginning but the law still needs to be completely written in our hearts as it was in Christs heart and receive eternal life. I see all of that as part of the 1000's years.

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Jesus is the beginning and the end. The law can never be completely written in our hearts as it was in Christ's heart. Thus the only way to receive eternal life is as a gift from Christ. God's will is that we rest from trying to earn our way into heaven.
 
Sorry John I'm just used to most of us seeing 'now' as the time fufillig the 'shadow of the law',thank-you for making your point clear to me!

Sinthesis I agree totally it's NOT about earning anything, but there will always be a line between right and wrong and I see that line shadowed in the law. The day will come when we will always be able to know where the 'line' is and not cross over into sinful acts.

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Ok Friends,

here are a few other thoughts with the pattern or lessons in the bible with the sabbaths.

If some one did self serving work on the sabbath they were to be killed.... We are now looking to the future 1000's years( great Sabbath) in which the judgement will occur and all final sinners will suffer the 2nd death.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and taught as well as healed on the sabbath. Are we not looking for him to return as Lord and have the whole world learn about the goodness of God and have all who respond be healed?

Will not that future day of return then be the great Sabbath Jubilee and day of atonement?

Isaiah 58:6 "Is this not the fast which I choose, To loosen the bonds of wickedness, To undo the bands of the yoke, And to let the oppressed go free And break every yoke ? 7 "Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry And bring the homeless poor into the house ; When you see the naked, to cover him; And not to hide yourself from your own flesh ? 8"Then your light will break out like the dawn, And your recovery will speedily spring forth ; And your righteousness will go before you; The glory of the LORD will be your rear guard. 9"Then you will call, and the LORD will answer ; You will cry, and He will say, 'Here I am.' If you remove the yoke from your midst, The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness, 10 And if you give yourself to the hungry And satisfy the desire of the afflicted, Then your light will rise in darkness And your gloom will become like midday. 11 "And the LORD will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones ; And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail. 12 "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins ; You will raise up the age-old foundations ; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell.

Also 13"If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot From doing your own pleasure on My holy day, And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, And honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure And speaking your own word, 14Then you will take delight in the LORD, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth ; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.

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I feel because of the now very common ways christians speak about the law of Moses as you have just said "we don't need to follow the Law"


it has created a habit of thought in our minds so we don't even think about any deeper spiritual lesson that the old arrangment might still be pointing too.

Now when I think about the "law" I feel that where we are the law should follow in our steps. Fufilling the law should be a byproduct of our complete faith in God. I don't believe that is possible yet today because we are still under the curse and die, however I do believe in the restoration the spirit of God will write his law on our hearts. In my mind I don't see that as the old Law was written with each do and don't but rather through Christ it's more like a math formula that we will carry with us and will always be able to 'figure out' what is right from wrong.

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Look at the simular wording as what was said in Isa 58:6

Matt 25:31"But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.32"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats ;33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.34"Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.35'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat ; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink ; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;36naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'37"Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink ?38'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?39'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'40"The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'


So again there is a connection with the pattern of the Sabbaths from past with the events of Jesus return of which also is the time of the 'mark'.

Recall how the act of buying and selling is connected to the mark, compare this with these vs in
Nehemiah 10:31 NAS

As for the peoples of the land who bring wares or any grain on the sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the sabbath or a holy day ; and we will forego the crops the seventh year and the exaction of every debt.

Nehemiah 13:16 NAS

Also men of Tyre were living there who imported fish and all kinds of merchandise, and sold them to the sons of Judah on the sabbath, even in Jerusalem.

Nehemiah 13:15 NAS

[Sabbath Restored] In those days I saw in Judah some who were treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sacks of grain and loading them on donkeys, as well as wine, grapes, figs and all kinds of loads, and they brought them into Jerusalem on the sabbath day. So I admonished them on the day they sold food.

The fact that this account is right after the Jews had come out of Babylon I feel gives a strong reason to consider this connection between the lesson of the Sabbaths and the mark. Since in Revelation the call is for God's people to this time get out of Babylon the Great.

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I'm not 100% sure if your understanding the point I'm trying to make?

Just as the Passover Lamb was not Jesus but was a great symbol explaining him, so many parts of the law including the Sabbaths seem to also be lessons pointing to a great world wide live fufillment in how we will live in Gods Kingdom.

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Isn't that what I said?:confused

Yes, that is what you said, here:

Jesus is the beginning and the end. The law can never be completely written in our hearts as it was in Christ's heart. Thus the only way to receive eternal life is as a gift from Christ. God's will is that we rest from trying to earn our way into heaven.


And what you said is Scriptural:

Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."


1 Corinthians 4:7 "For who makes you differ from another? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?"


"WE" are not "OUR" achievement. "We are His achievement." We put nothing to death. Christ in us does it all, and there is no room whatever for the flesh to boast. Both the faith and the works "are His achievement."
 
you imply that we dont have the fullness of christ. unless you are saying that the fact we arent perfected yet is why you say that.
 
We have the full perfect promise that is sure, but just not the total completion of the promise as you agree we are not yet perfectly restored.

Also what I'm trying to explain is perhaps a little different since it is a reflection of my own thought from studying.
At this time what I have begun to see is that when we are perfect everything that was mentioned in the law was also a shadow of life in the Kingdom.

We know that when Jesus was here he lived beyond what the law even said, and he was the 'King of the Jews' so I feel that's how it will be in the Kingdom.

As Jesus said if a man looks at a woman and desires her wrongly he has sinned. It's about what comes out of the heart and our hearts will be filled with love and as a result the law will also be satisfied. It's kind of like the law is the minimum God was asking for but there is no maximum on how much love we can show and give in Christ.

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uhm the torah was and is a shadow of the perfection of the world. that is only when the sin problem is removed. you wont get that from any christian commentary but if you take ramban's view on beresherith and also the torah its self and romans 8 you will get the idea that the earth and man will be redeemed and move in perfect love.
 
Could verses like Exodus 13:16, Deuteronomy 6:8 or Deuteronomy 11:18 tell us anything about the mark of the beast...?
 
Have you ever wondered what the purpose was? What lessons can it teach us?

I now see the Sabbath could very well be about the natural rest cycles built into the living world around us. That the Sabbaths were about teaching the Jews how to live within a healthy range, in their own personal life, within their society and the natural world both plants and animals. If we look at all the various problems happening today with pollution, deforestation, poverty and debt all of these and more problems are connected with the never ending excessive consumption of our modern societies.

I believe the Sabbaths are pointing to a kind of resting time that needs to happen within the activities of mankind so that healing can occur. Just as people and animals sleep and are rejuvenated , the oceans, rivers, forests, soils, and animals also need a rest from us and our endless greedy 'work'.
I feel the sabbaths might also be about the natural limits built into the ecosystems that we need to come to understand, respect and accept in order for life to last forever.

Limits are very, very real in nature. A perfect example is the balancing between the wolf and the rabbit. There is a pulsing of the populations with the animals, increasing and decreasing. When they are decreasing that is the rest cycle built right into nature by God, I see that as natures sabbath.

Like wise I see the time of Christs return as a very great Sabbath rest of the whole entire world of all life and natural systems that will need to heal from all the destruction of our age.

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