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Ok, do you accept the Vines definition of pisteuo? " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender"? Or the Strong's when it's saying "pisteuo means NOT just to believe?"
Pretend I'm from Missouri...
With family from West Virginia...

Meaning that you are going to have to explain in simple terms what it is that you are driving at.

I'm not going to just nod my head and pretend I understand what all your christianese terms mean. Because everyone means something different by all of them anyway.

So spell it out step by step and I'll try to understand what you are intending.

And then you need to explain why what I believe matters to you...why is it important that I must believe exactly the way you do?
What's wrong with the faith I've learned about since I was a child and leaned on so heavily these last 20+ years?
I'm sure that I'm God's red-headed adopted step child...you know, the one a little easier to beat than the others.
And there's no Beatitude stating "Blessed are the most theologically correct for they...."

Just curious.
 
Pretend I'm from Missouri...
With family from West Virginia...

Meaning that you are going to have to explain in simple terms what it is that you are driving at.

I'm not going to just nod my head and pretend I understand what all your christianese terms mean. Because everyone means something different by all of them anyway.

So spell it out step by step and I'll try to understand what you are intending.

And then you need to explain why what I believe matters to you...why is it important that I must believe exactly the way you do?
What's wrong with the faith I've learned about since I was a child and leaned on so heavily these last 20+ years?
I'm sure that I'm God's red-headed adopted step child...you know, the one a little easier to beat than the others.
And there's no Beatitude stating "Blessed are the most theologically correct for they...."

Just curious.

I thought this was a forum to discuss theology?

I put two definitions from legitimate Greek dictionaries, about an important Greek word, and asked if you accept those definitions. And your feeling attacked!
 
I thought this was a forum to discuss theology?

I put two definitions from legitimate Greek dictionaries, about an important Greek word, and asked if you accept those definitions. And your feeling attacked!
I'm not feeling attacked...
Just asking questions about what and why without the fifty cents words and why this is important.
 
I'm not feeling attacked...
Just asking questions about what and why without the fifty cents words and why this is important.

Again, isn't this a theology site?
Is there a more important word you'd like to talk about?

To me,there is nothing more important than the Greek word that communicates how we receive the Spirit of Christ. Even the word Grace doesn't benefit us if we don't fulfill pisteuo correctly first.

I really don't know how I can talk about this topic, without sharing the things I've learned for the last 33 years.

Any suggestions?
 
Believe.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12



What does believe mean ?


Those who understand this, are those who bear fruit.

Some 30, some 60, some 100 fold.


JLB
What does believe mean? I'd say it means that we walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh, we bear good fruit, we follow Jesus' command to love one another as He loved us.
 
Personally, I see a confession and repentance to be one in the same. At least before the scriptures or the good news of the gospel was known world wide.

I do think God the Father could call out, draw , anyone to Christ, even if they didn't know His name or the Gospel.

A surrendered life to the caller would in truth would be a confession ( need for forgiveness ), repentance ( turning of the mind to the direction of the caller ) followed by the first act of Faith or pisteuo ( a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.) That being just the start , no Spirit of Christ given yet.
But, I can confess something, a wrong doing, without repenting of it. In fact, I can confess a wrong doing and even be proud of it.
 
Our belief has to be "Baby Bear" belief. Jesus is not too much God (the Father) and not too little (not God), he's just right. He is the Christ. He is under the Father/ above us / makes us one with God
 
Personally, I see a confession and repentance to be one in the same. At least before the scriptures or the good news of the gospel was known world wide.

I do think God the Father could call out, draw , anyone to Christ, even if they didn't know His name or the Gospel.

A surrendered life to the caller would in truth would be a confession ( need for forgiveness ), repentance ( turning of the mind to the direction of the caller ) followed by the first act of Faith or pisteuo ( a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender.) That being just the start , no Spirit of Christ given yet.

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. 19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

From the time of Noah up to Moses writing the Torah all teachings were given orally by God to His prophets to teach others.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

When Peter spoke this on the day of Pentecost the Gospels like we have today were not written yet as on the day of Penetecost was the first Christian Church established through Christ. Then came letters written to the churches as the Disciples went about establishing them and it is those letters that make up the Bible we use to study out of.

Confession is acknowledgement that one has been disobedient to God causing them to sin against Him. Repenting is humbling yourself before the Lord and asking for forgiveness as we surrender all to Him when we first believed on His name.
 
What specific act of Faith begins our walk with Christ?

My personal journey from the point of my conversion by the Holy Spirit . . .

Acknowledgement
Gratitude
Surrender
Change
Study
Charity
Evangelism
 
The a, b, c,s of Faith are action, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

What specific act of Faith begins our walk with Christ?
Ephesians 2:8-----------faith>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Luke 13:3---------------repentance>>>>>>>saves (not perish)
Romans 10:9-10--------confession>>>>>>>saves
1 Peter 3:21------------baptism>>>>>>>>>saves

Since there is just one way to be saved, no alternatives, then a faith that saves must include repentance, confession and baptism. Therefore the acts of belief, repentance, confession and baptism would be the beginning point in one's walk with Christ.
 
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What specific act of Faith begins our walk with Christ?
The "acts" of faith are following His instructions even if you don't understand why-----

(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:18 KJV) He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
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The a, b, c,s of Faith are action, based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence.

What specific act of Faith begins our walk with Christ?
I would say the sinners prayer. In a sinners prayer we declare that we need Jesus to save us and also declare that Jesus is lord and true and also officiate our following on him.
 
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