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A few questions from an open-minded agnostic.

wondering

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wondering,

You have left out a number of steps in your statements above, in my understanding of Scripture.

Who is responsible for all sin in the universe?

Back in 2012, I wrote this article, Did God create evil?

I've done further thinking since then and am working on teaching for high school students in Religious Instruction (one period a week in State schools), 'Why does God allow suffering and evil?' The study is not complete yet.


Why didn't God make human beings without free will?

What would happen if God wiped out ALL evil NOW?

Oz
Hi Oz, I'm so short on time lately.
I also taught our faith and one does have to teach about evil and satan and everything.

However, if we want to go back far enough, we find that there is no real answer to evil.

Go back to the Garden. The tree of good and evil. Where did the evil come from?

Go back to Lucifer falling from grace. Due to pride. Where did this sin of pride come from?

How is it that A and E ate of the fruit if they were still innocent and had not eaten from the tree yet? WHAT made them eat?

I still haven't found the answer and most believe we cannot really know this.
 

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wondering,

You stated:

I jumped in too quickly with my response. Please forgive me. When you stated 'there is no answer' to the problem of why evil exists, I'd like to know your reasoning behind that statement.

Could you please help me to understand how you reached that conclusion?

Maybe this isn't the thread to do that and we ought to start another thread with a title like, 'From God's perspective, is there any solution to the problem of evil?' Would you and others be interested in pursuing such a topic?

Oz
Hi Oz...
No alert for the above...saw it by accident.

Yes...please start another thread.
Please tag me in.....Looks like JLB is interested too, and maybe others.

I answered this question, however, in my post to you just above.
 

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As far as judgment concerning families...I believe that the curses that fall on a family, for 3, 4 generations as is stated in the O.T., is a product of that family not adhering to God's laws more than actual curses given by God. He DOES, instead, have actual curses proclaimed for those that do not follow covenants that are bi-lateral in nature. Blessings if the covenant is adhered to and curses if it is not. Deuteronomy 28:15......
It is really important to understand God's justice in doing this, because it is easy to slip into the wrong spirit by thinking it to mean that God is punishing the children for the father's sin. It isn't meant that way though, because that would be injustice. God's justice says "what is this parable you say in Jerusalem: "the fathers ate sour grapes and the sons teeth were blunted"? As I live, says Adonai, you shall no longer speak this parable, but the soul who sins shall die" .. and it goes on to describe how the one turning from wickedness to righteousness will be saved but the one turning from righteousness to wickedness will perish.

So look carefully at the verses that speak of the punishment: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Iniquity+fathers+children&qs_version=TLV

First notice the payment isn't necessary. If they are one who loves God, who repents, then He is rich in mercy, wanting to forgive them. It is always said that the payment of the iniquity goes upon the offspring of those who hate Him. That is to say that the father's grumble and resist Him when He convicts them. They become obstinate, refusing to repent and be formed to a thing that pleases Him. To them, He does not threaten instant death - why?

His method is to turn His face away from them, for "who can look upon the face of God and live?" (Again, it isn't rhetorical, for we declare in the Aaronic benediction of Numbers 6:24-26 "Adonai turn His face toward thee and grant thee peace").

So God does not bless the fathers for their wrongness, but they see the wrath of God in their children. That is to say that the children become instruments to punish the father's - and while the father's may not turn back and in their torment turn their distress upon the children, it is a burden the children are cursed with so long as the father lives. As it goes with curses, the wrath comes against us from the world around us, so therefore when we are eliminated the spirit does not manifest through the world - rather the world is released from it's obligation to serve the purposes of divine justice upon us.

So the real thrust of the message is to say to the father's "you will have no escape from my wrath so long as you live, but you will be cursed by the spirit of your own sons and daughters, and by their sons and daughters. Even the sons and daughters of them and of them again. For surely I will not let the guilty go unpunished".

The point being that the behavioural problems in the children, which are demonic on account of the curse to the father, do not count against the child's own blessing. They are of good conscience in God's sight because they have not hated Him. But then, as we know "bad associations corrupt good character", they are at risk by being around the cursed one, that they might be lured into sin and rebellion in their distress. Then comes the justice against them, for "the soul that sinneth, it shall die".

This is the correct way to speak about generational curses, in order to maintain a right knowledge of God's justice by allowing the wicked to perish of their own accord, for their refusal to turn from their sin and having cut themselves off from God's saving grace, thereby He remains blameless for their death according to His own Torah "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life".
 

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