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Abomination of Desolation in 70AD - Part 2

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It's a good representation of partial preterism.
A full preterist would just answer 'yes', and would be just as wrong as the futurist, but in the opposite direction.

Then again, actually two questions were asked. We know Jesus already came once, and we know He was resurrected, so perhaps clarification is in order?
 

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It's a good representation of partial preterism.
A full preterist would just answer 'yes', and would be just as wrong as the futurist, but in the opposite direction.

Then again, actually two questions were asked. We know Jesus already came once, and we know He was resurrected, so perhaps clarification is in order?
Do you believe Jesus Christ has come and the resurrection is past?

This is one event.

The Coming of The Lord at the end of the age to gather His people, as in this scripture -


"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven. Mark 13:24-27


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If anyone says all has been fulfilled, he should be able to explain as I am ready to do.

Christianity has left out key points in Revelation's interpretation. The fact being there are 3 resurrections, and until this fact is realized, Revelation will always be misinterpreted .

The first resurrection was for the righteous only, that reign with Christ for a thousand yrs in the old heavenly Shalem, 1,290 yrs post the abomination of desolation, as stated in Dan 12:11, which ends with the "consummation," Dan 9:27. Notice the pouring out of the vials mentioned in Dan 9:27

The second resurrection is/was the resurrection of the good and the bad, referred to as the "Great White Throne" judgement, Rev 20 and Dan 12, which is another heavenly resurrection. The good and bad are judged, followed by the consummation of the Bride, Rev 21 and 22.

What Christianity has failed to understand is the third resurrection, which they call the "rapture," which is the resurrection of the physical earth. This third, physical earth, resurrection is the "Wheat and Tares," the 7th trump resurrection. There's no throne judgement in the third resurrection. In this resurrection the good will be carried into the New heavenly Shalem (the barn), and the wicked into the lake of fire, which is the end of the physical world, the only thing not fulfilled in scripture as yet, but all else have been.

Feel free to pose your questions because I have all the answers, whether they will be accepted or not.
 
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If anyone says all has been fulfilled, he should be able to explain as I am ready to do.

Christianity has left out key points in Revelation's interpretation. The fact being there are 3 resurrections, and until this fact is realized, Revelation will always be misinterpreted .

The first resurrection was for the righteous only, that reign with Christ for a thousand yrs in the old heavenly Shalem, 1,290 yrs post the abomination of desolation, as stated in Dan 12:11, which ends with the "consummation," Dan 9:27. Notice the pouring out of the vials mentioned in Dan 9:27

The second resurrection is/was the resurrection of the good and the bad, referred to as the "Great White Throne" judgement, Rev 20 and Dan 12, which is another heavenly resurrection. The good and bad are judged, followed by the consummation of the Bride, Rev 21 and 22.

What Christianity has failed to understand is the third resurrection, which they call the "rapture," which is the resurrection of the physical earth. This third, physical earth, resurrection is the "Wheat and Tares," the 7th trump resurrection. There's no throne judgement in the third resurrection. In this resurrection the good will be carried into the New heavenly Shalem (the barn), and the wicked into the lake of fire, which is the end of the physical world, the only thing not fulfilled in scripture as yet, but all else have been.

Feel free to pose your questions because I have all the answers, whether they will be accepted or not.
As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.

Christ the first fruits.

Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


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If anyone says all has been fulfilled, he should be able to explain as I am ready to do.

Christianity has left out key points in Revelation's interpretation. The fact being there are 3 resurrections, and until this fact is realized, Revelation will always be misinterpreted .

The first resurrection was for the righteous only, that reign with Christ for a thousand yrs in the old heavenly Shalem, 1,290 yrs post the abomination of desolation, as stated in Dan 12:11, which ends with the "consummation," Dan 9:27. Notice the pouring out of the vials mentioned in Dan 9:27

The second resurrection is/was the resurrection of the good and the bad, referred to as the "Great White Throne" judgement, Rev 20 and Dan 12, which is another heavenly resurrection. The good and bad are judged, followed by the consummation of the Bride, Rev 21 and 22.

What Christianity has failed to understand is the third resurrection, which they call the "rapture," which is the resurrection of the physical earth. This third, physical earth, resurrection is the "Wheat and Tares," the 7th trump resurrection. There's no throne judgement in the third resurrection. In this resurrection the good will be carried into the New heavenly Shalem (the barn), and the wicked into the lake of fire, which is the end of the physical world, the only thing not fulfilled in scripture as yet, but all else have been.

Feel free to pose your questions because I have all the answers, whether they will be accepted or not.
As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.
Opinions aren't worth squat in a debate. I provided facts; please address the facts.

It's 1,290 days from the abomination of desolation to the consummation.

Maybe you should look up the definition of consummation because it means "to complete the final act of a marraige," as in other words, the entering in of the groom's seed into the Bride, which is the New Shalem.



But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
Common sense would dictate there's no way Christ would be in limbo from then to now.


At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.
Once again without scriptural evidence.


those who are Christ's at His coming.[/B]

Christ the first fruits.

Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


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Try using the facts! It's 1,290 yrs to the consummation. There's no 1900 yrs of limbo between Christ's ascension and the 1st resurrection. If there was Christ would of never told his disciples to watch for his return. Think about it!
 
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Opinions aren't worth squat in a debate. I provided facts; please address the facts.
You can't read the scripture, that totally refuted you opinion ["facts"].

As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:20

At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

1 - Christ the first fruits.

2 - Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


Sorry, please refrain from passing off your man made "theories" as truth.


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Try using the facts! It's 1,290 yrs to the consummation. There's no 1900 yrs of limbo between Christ's ascension and the 1st resurrection. If there was Christ would of never told his disciples to watch for his return. Think about it!


Please state the scripture for this 1290 yrs that you are claiming.


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As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 27:52-53 -- "The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people."



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Opinions aren't worth squat in a debate. I provided facts; please address the facts.
You can't read the scripture, that totally refuted you opinion ["facts"].
What refuted my opinion?!



As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:20

At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

1 - Christ the first fruits.

2 - Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


Sorry, please refrain from passing off your man made "theories" as truth.


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That's what you're attempting to do!




Please state the scripture for this 1290 yrs that you are claiming.
Shows how much you know, yet you're arguing the point.



Facts:
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The middle of the week is 1,260 days/yrs, which equals 3 1/2 days or 42mths.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11's whole context is of the Greek kings, starting with Alexander, his four generals, and the greek lil horn, the kings of the north, the Seleucid Empire.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
All 100% facts.
 
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As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 27:52-53 -- "The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people."



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It's not everything written in scripture is true. If this is true, why would the disciple Thomas doubt Christ's resurrection, and wouldn't that make the statement of Christ being the 1st to rise from the dead false?
 

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Shows how much you know, yet you're arguing the point.
No scripture.


As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:20

At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

1 - Christ the first fruits.

2 - Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


These scriptures show that Christ was the first fruits, of the resurrection of the dead.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23

The rest of the dead will be resurrected from the dead at His Coming.


That is what these scriptures teach.


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No scripture. As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.
[FONT=&quot]Matthew 27:52-53 -- "The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people."
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Shows how much you know, yet you're arguing the point.
No scripture.


As of yet, the only One that has been resurrected from the dead is Christ.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians 15:20

At the end of the age, Christ at His Coming, will gather His people unto the resurrection.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

1 - Christ the first fruits.

2 - Afterward, those who are Christ's, at His Coming.


These scriptures show that Christ was the first fruits, of the resurrection of the dead.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23

The rest of the dead will be resurrected from the dead at His Coming.


That is what these scriptures teach.


JLB
No scripture? Did you read thru my thread? Here's the scriptures I provided that you're bearing false witness on:
Facts:
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The middle of the week is 1,260 days/yrs, which equals 3 1/2 days or 42mths.

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11's whole context is of the Greek kings, starting with Alexander, his four generals, and the greek lil horn, the kings of the north, the Seleucid Empire.

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
All 100% facts.
Please address the facts.
 
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