Abomination of Desolation in 70AD

[Deborah13]

Which is why I question this Temple in Luke would even be worth mentioning getting (Supposedly) Destroyed in 70ad. Who would really care?

Well, both the unbelieving Jews and the believers. This was not just another destruction. This was the end of the sacrifice "the blood of bulls and goats". The end of the Jewish blood atonement for sin made a reality for everyone to SEE. The new way, the cross began at the cross and this destruction was determined by what happened in the light of the Jesus. If I were a believer in Christ at that time and Jesus said to me, "there won't be one stone left upon another" (para) and then I see the total destruction of the temple and the city, I think that if I had doubts about leaving the old Jewish system, this would assure me that Jesus was who He said He was. And if I were not a believer, it may very well make me one.
It also shows me the great love that God had for those who did not believe, He waited 40 yrs to end it. A generation, like the 40 yrs in the "wilderness" in the Exodus.
40 yrs, to hear the Gospel from their fellow Jews.
This book the Bible is "His story". I like what [MENTION=47381]reba[/MENTION] said, "the Red Thread, that weaves it's way through scripture".

I can't think that any other temple destruction, in the past or in the future, that could be of more important in His story, than this one.

 

[Deborah13]

Why would the Holy Spirit every record those events out of the volumes Jesus had talked about? Certainly they would have been remembered since Rev was written just before 70ad some say. They did not need to be eternally recorded if it was just for "That" generation.

Why were all the events recorded in the OT? Jesus said, that Moses and Elias (Elijah), the Law and the Prophets, bore witness of Him. Certainly the destruction of THIS temple bears witness to the Cross and the New Covenant, which is Jesus, the Messiah.

There is a lot of controversy over the Book of Daniel. When it was written, is the biggest from what I have read. And the reason given for that is because even a unbeliever can take Daniel along side other documented history by historians and archeology findings and see the prophecies he gave as being fulfilled. There are those who say that there is no way that Daniel wrote with such details, before the events happened. They say that the book is much later and that he was actually writing history, not future events. Hmmm.....I wonder if there are any former unbelievers who seriously studied Daniel and became a believer?

 

[JLB]

The context of the Olivet Discourse contains both the surrounding of Jerusalem and The return of The Lord.

Zechariah 14 contains both.

The events of 70 AD do not.

Luke 21 is a reference to the future prophecy of Zechariah 14.


JLB

 

[Brother Mike]

Brother Mike, please answer these questions honestly.

When you have done so please answer the following also:

How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (v20-a reference to 70ad) and Jesus' future return?

Thank you for your honesty and sincerity.

I wrote to you about this Brother. If anyone here is not tied up in doctrines and creeds it would be me. I hope there are others, but I need line upon line comparisons and I need it to make sense.

Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................

That Generation:
Jesus makes things very specific about His Generation on Earth. (Mat 12:34) (Mark 10:30) (Luke 3:7) (Luke 11:50) so on...................

What generation is that? The generation Jesus is talking about will see...........

1) Gospel preached all over the World.
2) Jerusalem compassed with armies.
3) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains. People leaving Judaea.
4) Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. Until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled.......
5) Earthquakes in Divers places (Topos or targeted populations)
6) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All things in the Word must be fulfilled "ALL"

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

7) famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
8) there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Men see this stuff (IN) the sun, moon, stars....... It causes them fear, their hearts fail them. You can't see or noticed Hyperbole, spiritual, or parable........... This would have been recorded!!! Somewhere..

9) they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Someone forgot to record this day also...... Oh by the way, Jesus stopped by in great glory and power, you just missed him??????????

Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

This Generation will see all these things. Now I am suppose to believe that a templed getting knocked over (Not that any of the buildings would be around anyway) was so important, more important than all the other things Israel lost, like the Wall that needed to be rebuilt, that it's mentioned several times in Isa, Zec, Joel, Rev, having fulfilled all things because someone knocked someone's temple over?

Hope in Glory, I find it just past being able to believe............. We have history of someone knocking down a temple in 70ad....... Big deal, they forgot to record the most dramatic parts.

News flash today!!!! It has happened !!!! The temple mentioned in Danial was run over by bad guys today, stay tuned for this late World breaking story...... Oh and on a side note, Jesus Stopped in to say hi after the stars, moon and sun vanished. More breaking news on this Temple at 10!!!

What did Jesus say? They were looking at the temple, it was all Bling, bling and Jesus said what???

Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

What precious stones where taken down??????

They asked Jesus what would be the end of all things............... A temple gets knocked down??? really?

Hope in Glory, it is way to far out there for me.

Mike.

 

[jasoncran]

the futurists(some) tell the jews that ad 70 wasn't a judgement. uhm yet I can show and say that jews believe that event was a judgement. they don't get it all right but they see that ad 70 was some type of judgement for them. see my thread on tammuz 14 and ad 70 in the focus on scripture. I quoted a reformed rabbi on that.

 

[Sinthesis]

AD70 was a judgement regardless of whether those involved understood exactly why.

 

[jasoncran]

I agree but its sad that some say that wasn't a judgement and then expect isreal to be judge for what today she isn't doing.the nation of isreal is a secular jewish state. it allows freedom of religion. while I cant say that god does allow freedom of faiths in his kingdom, however we have learned that theocracies don't work. i

 

[Deborah13]

That Generation:
Jesus makes things very specific about His Generation on Earth. (Mat 12:34) (Mark 10:30) (Luke 3:7) (Luke 11:50) so on...................

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen_17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Who do the blessing go to in Mark 10?
Who did God make the land covenant with, the promise?
Who is the Seed of Abraham?
Who is the heir to this promise through the Seed?
Does Jewish DNA have anything to do with this promise?
Or was this promise given to those who are Christ's?

Ask your pastor about this. He knows. I listened to Copeland for years and years. He knows. That's why they can teach that you can be blessed, you are the seed of Abraham. Christians are the seed of Abraham through the Messiah, the Seed.
Now look at this verse again....
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Who is the 'THEE' in this verse? THE SEED of Abraham. Who is the Seed (seed)?

 

[Brother Mike]

Who do the blessing go to in Mark 10?
Who did God make the land covenant with, the promise?
Who is the Seed of Abraham?
Who is the heir to this promise through the Seed?
Does Jewish DNA have anything to do with this promise?
Or was this promise given to those who are Christ's?

Somewhere I guess I messed up my point. We are the Seed of Abraham, I was a Pastor, and we are blessed with Faithful Abraham. I was not meaning the 100 fold return whatever the rich young ruler just walked away missed his biggest blessing ever was for them. It was for Then and forever to whoever will put the things of God first. I was just making a point that Jesus was very specific about the things for Now, back in the day and later as yet to come to pass.

Even the Women, Satan bound 18 years Jesus said this women ought to be healed!!! WHY??? She is the seed of Abraham, like us!! We are the healed, the prosperous, the blessed...........

Thank you for the study though
You do amaze me, seriously. I have called on just that blessing to get through those days when Mike don't measure up. Lord, No matter what I have done, I am still the seed according to the promise. I put a demand on that right now, because if I were to go back through the week, I have nothing to bring to the table Lord that I got right or obeyed in.


MY Point though......... We have the Day of the Lord, the 6th Seal followed by the 7th (1/2 hour of silence over the whole earth) mentioned in so many places because it's Judgment time, the end, Jesus on Mt Sion (Zion) with the 144,000 standing there after the Angels come in power and glory. It's mentioned in many places.

That Generation that See's these things.......... Danial and their knowledge shall increase, man running back and forth like lightning. The technology, the begging of the end. That generation where we go from 1,000's of years of ridding Elephants, Camels, Donkeys, (Large) Rabbits, and Horses to the Wright brothers, then just a few years later Jet planes. That generation of people that see these things.

Mentioned over and over as the end.............

All that attention in Scriptures to God telling man what to expect, what is coming is not about some TEMPLE that gets knocked over!!!!! The most important part is recorded, Jesus on the cross, dead, resurrected is recorded!!! and before someone breaks someone's Temple.

I got to warm my Donkey up.

God bless.

Mike.

 

[Deborah13]

Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................

If anything it is important to understand what happened and why, in 70 AD because IF there is a temple built in Jerusalem, as the Orthodox Jews are planning and they return to the 'blood of bulls and goats' which IS what they are planning. (they believe that is the atonement for their sins), then everyone living in Jerusalem is going to have to take a position.
Right now in Jerusalem, there are unbelieving Orthodox Jews (Pharisees and Sadducees), Messianic Jews (those who were Jews and converted to Christ), and Christians Christ's not of the Jewish traditions). The very same scenario as in 70 AD.
The Messianic will have to decide if they are going to participate in this temple worship, which is truly the spirit of antichrist.
And the Christians, will have to call it what it is.
The abomination if you will, will be just like 70 AD. The abomination will come from inside, Jews not some outside interloper, not the RCC, not a world politic leader, the Jews themselves.

I don't see anywhere in scripture that would make me think that there will be a repeat of 70 AD, any more than we will see a repeat of the birth, death, and resurrection of the Messiah.

 

[jasoncran]

[MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION]. for the record all saducees were killed and all they believed died with them in ad 70.modern Judaism is from the Pharisees and they had the oral traditions, the saducees didn't.in ad 70 there were three sects. saducees, Pharisees and essenes. the essenes were oddly karaite in nature and the saducees took the bible literally, and the Pharisees took the bible where it was plain and used the oral methods on the grey areas.

 

[Deborah13]

[MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION]. for the record all saducees were killed and all they believed died with them in ad 70.modern Judaism is from the Pharisees and they had the oral traditions, the saducees didn't.in ad 70 there were three sects. saducees, Pharisees and essenes. the essenes were oddly karaite in nature and the saducees took the bible literally, and the Pharisees took the bible where it was plain and used the oral methods on the grey areas.

Thank you, Jason.
It is all interesting. Sometimes these things will later stir up and connect to something else, as it does in my previous post.

 

[jasoncran]

[MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION]. for the record all saducees were killed and all they believed died with them in ad 70.modern Judaism is from the Pharisees and they had the oral traditions, the saducees didn't.in ad 70 there were three sects. saducees, Pharisees and essenes. the essenes were oddly karaite in nature and the saducees took the bible literally, and the Pharisees took the bible where it was plain and used the oral methods on the grey areas.

Thank you, Jason.
It is all interesting. Sometimes these things will later stir up and connect to something else, as it does in my previous post.

it is also said in the Talmud or perhaps midrash that when the messiah would come that Judaism would be in division and chaos. that was the case when jesus arrived

 

[jasoncran]

Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................

If anything it is important to understand what happened and why, in 70 AD because IF there is a temple built in Jerusalem, as the Orthodox Jews are planning and they return to the 'blood of bulls and goats' which IS what they are planning. (they believe that is the atonement for their sins), then everyone living in Jerusalem is going to have to take a position.
Right now in Jerusalem, there are unbelieving Orthodox Jews (Pharisees and Sadducees), Messianic Jews (those who were Jews and converted to Christ), and Christians Christ's not of the Jewish traditions). The very same scenario as in 70 AD.
The Messianic will have to decide if they are going to participate in this temple worship, which is truly the spirit of antichrist.
And the Christians, will have to call it what it is.
The abomination if you will, will be just like 70 AD. The abomination will come from inside, Jews not some outside interloper, not the RCC, not a world politic leader, the Jews themselves.

I don't see anywhere in scripture that would make me think that there will be a repeat of 70 AD, any more than we will see a repeat of the birth, death, and resurrection of the Messiah.

the aod that was first in recording did indeed come from jewish compromisers.its recorded that the a man a priest called Jason was a hellenizer and a lover of greek culture and help to pollute the temple. he was slain and that was when antochius ephinese invaded and then the Maccabean revolt began and what he did to the temple was indeed the aod.

 

[Brother Mike]

I don't see anywhere in scripture that would make me think that there will be a repeat of 70 AD, any more than we will see a repeat of the birth, death, and resurrection of the Messiah.

Clarify this... I am responding to the term "That Generation" That generation had a whole lot going on. I have no idea what happened in 70ad, a temple fell down? I fully believe Jesus was not talking about a temple but was responding to them looking at the precious stones of the temple and I compared what that was with what Peter said. All scriptures.

If "That Generation" has happened, then someone forgot to report some very awesome things besides some temple getting knocked over. That is my Point and JBL's point. The Temple door (outside leading in) was ripped in two when Jesus went to the cross. That is the only scripture I have of some Temple being damaged.

The abomination if you will, will be just like 70 AD. The abomination will come from inside, Jews not some outside interloper, not the RCC, not a world politic leader, the Jews themselves.

If I had to teach the Word, How could I teach this abomination? in 70ad? It's not recorded, it's not recorded who knocked the temple over. Why is one temple better than the rest that Israel Lost? They went through a few of them since Genesis for disobedience. I don't believe Jesus focused at all on a temple getting knocked over in 70ad. A temple very well might have, but we are also connecting this to the 6th seal and that is a very major event that effects the Whole world and mentioned in several scriptures. It happens in that Generation that see all these things.

I don't know of any other way to get these idea's across. We take one scripture in Danial 9 and go so far as to say the 6th seal is already past, the sun, moon, stars just magically come back and nobody writes these things down for History? They record major volcanoes erupting from ancient days but miss this? It don't make sense.

Mike.

 

[Hope of glory]

Brother Mike, please answer these questions honestly.

When you have done so please answer the following also:

How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (v20-a reference to 70ad) and Jesus' future return?

Thank you for your honesty and sincerity.

I wrote to you about this Brother. If anyone here is not tied up in doctrines and creeds it would be me. I hope there are
others, but I need line upon line comparisons and I need it to make sense.

Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................
That Generation:
Jesus makes things very specific about His Generation on Earth. (Mat 12:34) (Mark 10:30) (Luke 3:7) (Luke 11:50) so on...................

What generation is that? The generation Jesus is talking about will see...........


1) Gospel preached all over the World.
2) Jerusalem compassed with armies.
3) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains. People leaving Judaea.
4) Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. Until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled.......
5) Earthquakes in Divers places (Topos or targeted populations)
6) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All things in the Word must be fulfilled "ALL"

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an
hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to
generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

7) famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
8) there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Men see this stuff (IN) the sun, moon, stars....... It causes them fear, their hearts fail them. You can't see or noticed Hyperbole, spiritual, or parable........... This would have been recorded!!! Somewhere..

9) they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Someone forgot to record this day also...... Oh by the way, Jesus stopped by in great glory and power, you just missed him??????????

Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

This Generation will see all these things. Now I am suppose to believe that a templed getting knocked over (Not that any
of the buildings would be around anyway) was so important, more important than all the other things Israel lost, like the Wall that needed to be rebuilt, that it's mentioned several times in Isa, Zec, Joel, Rev, having fulfilled all things because someone knocked someone's temple over?
Hope in Glory, I find it just past being able to believe............. We have history of
someone knocking down a temple in 70ad....... Big deal, they forgot to record the most dramatic parts.

News flash today!!!! It has happened !!!! The temple mentioned in Danial was run over by bad guys today, stay tuned for this late World breaking story...... Oh and on a side note, Jesus Stopped in to say hi after the stars, moon and sun
vanished. More breaking news on this Temple at 10!!!

What did Jesus say? They were looking at the temple, it was all Bling, bling and Jesus said what???

Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect,
precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

What precious stones where taken down??????

They asked Jesus what would be the end of all things............... A temple gets knocked down??? really?

Hope in Glory, it is way to far out there for me.
Mike.

Brother Mike, you did not answer my questions, please do so, they are very simple and straight forward.

Was Jesus speaking to his first century generation (were they his listening audience) in Luke 21....Yes or No?
When Jesus said "when YOU shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies..." was he still speaking TO his contemporary first century generation....Yes or No?
According to the simple reading of the text, did Jesus tell his first century contemporary generation that THEY would see Jerusalem surrounded with armies....Yes or No?

If you answered yes to all the above questions, then I ask you:
How can one single generation (this generation) SEE both Jerusalems surrounding and destruction (v20) in 70ad and Jesus' future return (v27) without dying (passing away)?

Thank you.
Hope of glory

 

[Deborah13]

the aod that was first in recording did indeed come from jewish compromisers.its recorded that the a man a priest called Jason was a hellenizer and a lover of greek culture and help to pollute the temple. he was slain and that was when antochius ephinese invaded and then the Maccabean revolt began and what he did to the temple was indeed the aod.

I have read that, too. But here is a simple site that I just now looked at. Messianic,
http://jewishroots.net/library/miscellaneous/high_priest_corruption.html

I read in Josephus' War of the Jews, about the Jewish Zealots wrecked havoc during the 70 AD war. They did horrible things to their own people and the temple and the city. He says that the Jewish rebellion against the Romans was what started the whole thing.

It seems the position of High Priest went to the highest bidder. Kinda reminds me of the position of President in the US. Whoever, can raise the most money.

 

[jasoncran]

the aod that was first in recording did indeed come from jewish compromisers.its recorded that the a man a priest called Jason was a hellenizer and a lover of greek culture and help to pollute the temple. he was slain and that was when antochius ephinese invaded and then the Maccabean revolt began and what he did to the temple was indeed the aod.

I have read that, too. But here is a simple site that I just now looked at. Messianic,
http://jewishroots.net/library/miscellaneous/high_priest_corruption.html

I read in Josephus' War of the Jews, about the Jewish Zealots wrecked havoc during the 70 AD war. They did horrible things to their own people and the temple and the city. He says that the Jewish rebellion against the Romans was what started the whole thing.

It seems the position of High Priest went to the highest bidder. Kinda reminds me of the position of President in the US. Whoever, can raise the most money.

interesting how channukah changes our views of ad 70. I forget that the saducees didn't believe outside of the torah. which is weird cause that is also what the samartians aslo did. yes said when moses never intended the high priest or Aaron's sons to be corrupted but he did give the command the sons of aaron would be the priest for ever. that is why a kohen today would have to be one of zadok's lineage. good luck with that oh Hebrew.that is what god commanded. an interesting side diversion though.

 

[JLB]

Brother Mike, please answer these questions honestly.

When you have done so please answer the following also:

How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (v20-a reference to 70ad) and Jesus' future return?

Thank you for your honesty and sincerity.

I wrote to you about this Brother. If anyone here is not tied up in doctrines and creeds it would be me. I hope there are
others, but I need line upon line comparisons and I need it to make sense.

Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................
That Generation:
Jesus makes things very specific about His Generation on Earth. (Mat 12:34) (Mark 10:30) (Luke 3:7) (Luke 11:50) so on...................

What generation is that? The generation Jesus is talking about will see...........

1) Gospel preached all over the World.
2) Jerusalem compassed with armies.
3) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains. People leaving Judaea.
4) Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. Until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled.......
5) Earthquakes in Divers places (Topos or targeted populations)
6) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All things in the Word must be fulfilled "ALL"

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an
hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to
generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

7) famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
8) there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Men see this stuff (IN) the sun, moon, stars....... It causes them fear, their hearts fail them. You can't see or noticed Hyperbole, spiritual, or parable........... This would have been recorded!!! Somewhere..

9) they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Someone forgot to record this day also...... Oh by the way, Jesus stopped by in great glory and power, you just missed him??????????

Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

This Generation will see all these things. Now I am suppose to believe that a templed getting knocked over (Not that any
of the buildings would be around anyway) was so important, more important than all the other things Israel lost, like the Wall that needed to be rebuilt, that it's mentioned several times in Isa, Zec, Joel, Rev, having fulfilled all things because someone knocked someone's temple over?
Hope in Glory, I find it just past being able to believe............. We have history of someone knocking down a temple in 70ad....... Big deal, they forgot to record the most dramatic parts.

News flash today!!!! It has happened !!!! The temple mentioned in Danial was run over by bad guys today, stay tuned for this late World breaking story...... Oh and on a side note, Jesus Stopped in to say hi after the stars, moon and sun
vanished. More breaking news on this Temple at 10!!!

What did Jesus say? They were looking at the temple, it was all Bling, bling and Jesus said what???

Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect,
precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

What precious stones where taken down??????

They asked Jesus what would be the end of all things............... A temple gets knocked down??? really?

Hope in Glory, it is way to far out there for me.

Mike.

Brother Mike, you did not answer my questions, please do so, they are very simple and straight forward.

Was Jesus speaking to his first century generation (were they his listening audience) in Luke 21....Yes or No?
When Jesus said "when YOU shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies..." was he still speaking TO his contemporary first century generation....Yes or No?
According to the simple reading of the text, did Jesus tell his first century contemporary generation that THEY would see Jerusalem surrounded with armies....Yes or No?

Thank you.
Hope of glory

Was Judas Iscariot present when Jesus said when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies...? Yes

Did Judas see Jerusalem surrounded by armies? No

Conclusion: Jesus message referred to those who will see both Jerusalem surrounded by armies AND the signs in the sun, moon and stars, as well as Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Not just the ONE sign YOU cherry pick out of ALL that Luke 21 teaches.

ONLY Zechariah 14 has all of these signs, which is not about the events of 70 AD.


JLB

 

[Brother Mike]

If you answered yes to all the above questions, then I ask you:
How can one single generation (this generation) SEE both Jerusalems surrounding and destruction (v20) in 70ad and Jesus' future return (v27) without dying (passing away)?

Ok, fine............ Give me the web site, or youtube video about Jesus coming with the Angels and the sun and moon, with wars and rumors of wars. I posted the connecting scriptures from Isa about the vengeance of God, it all matches up. Give me the history with Jesus showing up with the Angels in 70ad and we are all good.

Mike.