JLBBrother Mike, you did not answer my questions, please do so, they are very simple and straight forward.I wrote to you about this Brother. If anyone here is not tied up in doctrines and creeds it would be me. I hope there areBrother Mike, please answer these questions honestly.
When you have done so please answer the following also:
How can a single generation (this generation) see both Jerusalems destruction (v20-a reference to 70ad) and Jesus' future return?
Thank you for your honesty and sincerity.
others, but I need line upon line comparisons and I need it to make sense.
Making sense is important to me, because God is not the Author of confusion. Plain and simple........................
Jesus makes things very specific about His Generation on Earth. (Mat 12:34) (Mark 10:30) (Luke 3:7) (Luke 11:50) so on..................
What generation is that? The generation Jesus is talking about will see...........
1) Gospel preached all over the World.
2) Jerusalem compassed with armies.
3) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains. People leaving Judaea.
4) Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles. Until the time of the Gentiles are fulfilled.......
5) Earthquakes in Divers places (Topos or targeted populations)
6) For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. All things in the Word must be fulfilled "ALL"
Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an
hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
Isa 34:10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to
generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.
7) famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
8) there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Men see this stuff (IN) the sun, moon, stars....... It causes them fear, their hearts fail them. You can't see or noticed
Hyperbole, spiritual, or parable........... This would have been recorded!!! Somewhere..
9) they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Someone forgot to record this day also...... Oh by the way, Jesus stopped by in great glory and power, you just missed him??????????
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
This Generation will see all these things. Now I am suppose to believe that a templed getting knocked over (Not that any
of the buildings would be around anyway) was so important, more important than all the other things Israel lost, like the Wall that needed to be rebuilt, that it's mentioned several times in Isa, Zec, Joel, Rev, having fulfilled all things because someone knocked someone's temple over?
Hope in Glory, I find it just past being able to believe............. We have history of someone knocking down a temple in 70ad....... Big deal, they forgot to record the most dramatic parts.
News flash today!!!! It has happened !!!! The temple mentioned in Danial was run over by bad guys today, stay tuned for this late World breaking story...... Oh and on a side note, Jesus Stopped in to say hi after the stars, moon and sun
vanished. More breaking news on this Temple at 10!!!
What did Jesus say? They were looking at the temple, it was all Bling, bling and Jesus said what???
Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect,
precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
What precious stones where taken down??????
They asked Jesus what would be the end of all things............... A temple gets knocked down??? really?
Hope in Glory, it is way to far out there for me.
Was Jesus speaking to his first century generation (were they his listening audience) in Luke 21....Yes or No?
When Jesus said "when YOU shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies..." was he still speaking TO his contemporary first century generation....Yes or No?
According to the simple reading of the text, did Jesus tell his first century contemporary generation that THEY would see Jerusalem surrounded with armies....Yes or No?
Hope of glory
Was Judas Iscariot present when Jesus said when YOU see Jerusalem surrounded by armies...? Yes
Did Judas see Jerusalem surrounded by armies? No
Conclusion: Jesus message referred to those who will see both Jerusalem surrounded by armies AND the signs in the sun, moon and stars, as well as Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.
Not just the ONE sign YOU cherry pick out of ALL that Luke 21 teaches.
ONLY Zechariah 14 has all of these signs, which is not about the events of 70 AD.
show me your proof that Judas was present in Luke 21
Furthermore, his discourse was directed at a "generation" of people (v32-his generation), he did not say "Judas iscariot will not pass away...."
So, in your mind, since Jesus spoke this TO Judas, will Judas be reincarnated and alive on planet earth to witness a future destruction of Jerusalem and Jesus' future return????Lol!
JLB, by stating that Judas Iscariot "was present when Jesus said when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies...", you openly confess that Jesus did in fact speak this to his own first century contemporary generation! Good job!
Therefore Luke 21:20 (as you have just admitted), is a reference to Jerusalems destruction in 70ad!
Is Jesus' first century generation still alive on earth, just waiting to see a rebuilt temple and it's subsequent destruction???
I think not!
Thank you for answering my questions which I asked brother Mike.
By the way, if Zechariah.14 is about "Jerusalems destruction" the "return of the Lord" and the "resurrection" we have some serious contradictions.
V2 "for I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle against Jerusalem and the city shall be taken...."
5 "Thus the Lord my God will come and all the saints with you"
8 "In that day it shall be that living waters shall flow from Jerusalem.....11 "The people shall dwell in it.....Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited"(wait a minute, I though Jerusalem was destroyed in verse 2)???
16 Judah also will fight against Jerusalem...."???
16 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord if hosts, and to keep the feast if tabernacles" (why are there nations left if Jesus has come and the resurrection has taken place???? And it seems Jerusalem is still inhabited.....it thought it was destroyed????
17 "And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not cone up to Jerusalem to worship the King