About Healing

[faithtransforms]

A lot of you have seen this in another thread, but I wanted to make it its own topic:

in Isaiah 53, where it says Jesus bore our "griefs", look at the Strong's definition of griefs:

The KJV Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon

Strong's Number: 02483
Original Word Word Origin
ylx from (02470)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Choliy TWOT - 655a
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
khol-ee' Noun Masculine

Definition
sickness

King James Word Usage - Total: 24
sickness 12, disease 7, grief 4, sick 1

You can see that this word was translated as sickness, desease or sick 20 times, and was only translated as grief 4 times and the only definiton given in Strong's is sickness. Now in Matthew 8:16-17 it says: "When the even was come , they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils : and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias [Isaiah] the prophet, saying , Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses." Well, he is clearly quoting Isaiah 53. This confirms that the hebrews interpreted Isaiah 53 as saying Jesus bore our sickness and infirmities. Now in this passage, he fulfilled the scripture by healing people, but He also bore our sicknesses on the cross [per Isaiah 53, he bore them in His death along with our sin and iniquity as it clearly says only using the word "griefs" ]. He became a curse for us to free us from the curse of the Law (Galations 3). Well part of the curse of the Law was sickness. In Deut 28, God even says all the sicknesses not named here fall under this curse. So he is saying EVERY sickness is under the curse. So I believe I am redeemed of sickness because Jesus became the curse, that we might be free from the curse of the Law. Therefore, when I start to get symptoms of illness, I confess out loud "I am redeemed from the curse, Jesus bore my sickness on the cross, and by His stripes I am healed. Now virus, you leave my body RIGHT NOW in the Holy Name of Jesus Christ." In fact, I did this just a few days ago, I was having all the signs of a chest cold, I confessed the above and all the symptoms were gone the next day.

I would agree though that if there are any nuts in the cereal box, it is among the name it claim it crowd. Most certainly there are many who use this unscripturally. But I believe that what I have described above IS scriptural.

I would never want anyone to believe they are somehow inferior or to think there is something wrong with them and or that they don't have faith. But many ARE unaware how to use faith (again not saving faith, but mountan moving faith, which as I said I will expound upon later once I have searched the scriptures and meditated on it).

So, what say you?

 

[jasoncran]

didnt we battle this one recently.

 

[faithtransforms]

didnt we battle this one recently.

Yes, but I wanted to make this its own topic. I think I have shown from scripture that healing is biblical. Even Matthew interpreted Isaiah 53 as saying He bore our "sicknesses and infirmities" as I said above, confirming the hebrew interpretation of the Isaiah 53 scripture as sickness, not grief.

 

[jasoncran]

didnt we battle this one recently.

Yes, but I wanted to make this its own topic. I think I have shown from scripture that healing is biblical. Even Matthew interpreted Isaiah 53 as saying He bore our "sicknesses and infirmities" as I said above, confirming the hebrew interpretation of the Isaiah 53 scripture as sickness, not grief.

even the praying man that i wanted to mention that teaches have faith in God doesnt believe we always be healed all the time, but i will bounce this off him.

 

[faithtransforms]

even the praying man that i wanted to mention that teaches have faith in God doesnt believe we always be healed all the time, but i will bounce this off him.

Cool, I would love to see what he thinks about it.

 

[jasoncran]

even the praying man that i wanted to mention that teaches have faith in God doesnt believe we always be healed all the time, but i will bounce this off him.

Cool, I would love to see what he thinks about it.

i may see him in a week, that is a totaly different church he has look into the scriptures on prayer and teaches how to get a hold of God and his promises, but he does in a most no prosperity way his wife has lyme diseases which can cause parylasis.

 

[faithtransforms]

Just bumping this up so it doesn't get lost. I know this doesn't fit neatly into most of your theologies, but even Matthew interpreted Isaiah 53:4 to mean sickness, not grief, as is evidenced by Matt 8:16-17. Now in that passage he is fulfilling Isa 53:4 by healing people, but it is clear in Isaiah 53 that he bore the "griefs" (which Matthew's book clearly affirms should have been translated as "sicknesses") in His death on the cross along with our sin and iniquity.

 

[Mike]

Just bumping this up so it doesn't get lost. I know this doesn't fit neatly into most of your theologies, but even Matthew interpreted Isaiah 53:4 to mean sickness, not grief, as is evidenced by Matt 8:16-17. Now in that passage he is fulfilling Isa 53:4 by healing people, but it is clear in Isaiah 53 that he bore the "griefs" (which Matthew's book clearly affirms should have been translated as "sicknesses") in His death on the cross along with our sin and iniquity.

FaithTransforms, as long as we're on the board, this will be a disagreement. Oh well

So did you order the first book of the Mark of the Lion from the library yet? Or buy it? Huh? Get the book!

 

[faithtransforms]

Just bumping this up so it doesn't get lost. I know this doesn't fit neatly into most of your theologies, but even Matthew interpreted Isaiah 53:4 to mean sickness, not grief, as is evidenced by Matt 8:16-17. Now in that passage he is fulfilling Isa 53:4 by healing people, but it is clear in Isaiah 53 that he bore the "griefs" (which Matthew's book clearly affirms should have been translated as "sicknesses") in His death on the cross along with our sin and iniquity.

FaithTransforms, as long as we're on the board, this will be a disagreement. Oh well

So did you order the first book of the Mark of the Lion from the library yet? Or buy it? Huh? Get the book!

Oh, my mj, how can you ignore the scriptures above? If the hebrew people interpreted that word as "sicknesses" rather than "griefs", why shouldn't we?

No, I haven't got A Voice in the Wind yet. Gotta pay my library fines first, LOL!

 

[jasoncran]

we still love the red headed promoter of the healing promises.

 

[faithtransforms]

we still love the red headed promoter of the healing promises.

And she still loves you!

 

[jasoncran]

dont forget to get out of that car

hmm i will add this the one thing that negates promised healing all the time, death.

we do die from something, some are killed, other die in an accident and other from disease and also organ failures. no one to to my knowledge has just died in full health. something causes you to die.

 

[GodspromisesRyes]

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jo 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jo 5:14 ¶ And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

1Jo 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.


Mat 8:3 And Jesus put forth [his] hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.

 

[Mike]

But Jesus' dramatic healings were for a reason: He healed as a sign and indication that He had the power of life and death with the ability to forgive sins. Those dramatic healings revealed who Jesus was! They pointed to a spiritual reality which went beyond the healing of some disease, to the ultimate spiritual healing of sin!

Secondly, the power to heal the sick and to drive out demons was granted to the apostles but there is no New Testament promise that all followers of Jesus would be granted such power. Just think how many passages throughout the New Testament speak of Christ's death and resurrection, especially in the more theological books such as Romans, Hebrews, Ephesians, Galatians and so on; All of these passages show that the atonement of Jesus Christ is about forgiving sin, it is a spiritual matter. There is never any point in the thousands of words written about the work of Christ upon the cross that any New Testament writer ever states that Christ's completed work means that we don't have to be sick!

The existence of sick people is accepted by the New Testament writers, although we are continually encouraged to pray for these people. Many righteous people throughout the pages of the Bible become sick. Yes, oftentimes God healed, but quite often too He did not heal; we have to leave such decisions in God's capable hands, He knows what is best for us from the perspective of eternity! Paul was not able to heal Timothy's stomach problem (1 Timothy 5:23), when Paul himself pleaded with God to heal him of his 'thorn in the flesh' (almost certainly some health problem), God plainly said 'No' to Paul because His (the Lord's) grace was sufficient for him (2 Corinthians 12:7-10). Apparently Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20) was not healed.

 

[Mysteryman]

But Jesus' dramatic healings were for a reason: He healed as a sign and indication that He had the power of life and death with the ability to forgive sins. Those dramatic healings revealed who Jesus was! They pointed to a spiritual reality which went beyond the healing of some disease, to the ultimate spiritual healing of sin!

Secondly, the power to heal the sick and to drive out demons was granted to the apostles but there is no New Testament promise that all followers of Jesus would be granted such power. Just think how many passages throughout the New Testament speak of Christ's death and resurrection, especially in the more theological books such as Romans, Hebrews, Ephesians, Galatians and so on; All of these passages show that the atonement of Jesus Christ is about forgiving sin, it is a spiritual matter. There is never any point in the thousands of words written about the work of Christ upon the cross that any New Testament writer ever states that Christ's completed work means that we don't have to be sick!

The existence of sick people is accepted by the New Testament writers, although we are continually encouraged to pray for these people. Many righteous people throughout the pages of the Bible become sick. Yes, oftentimes God healed, but quite often too He did not heal; we have to leave such decisions in God's capable hands, He knows what is best for us from the perspective of eternity! Paul was not able to heal Timothy's stomach problem (1 Timothy 5:23), when Paul himself pleaded with God to heal him of his 'thorn in the flesh' (almost certainly some health problem), God plainly said 'No' to Paul because His (the Lord's) grace was sufficient for him (2 Corinthians 12:7-10). Apparently Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20) was not healed.

Of course there is a promise that believers would cast out demons and heal the sick. What do you think the nine manifestations of the Spirit are for anyways ? > I Corinth. 12:6 - 11

May I also point out, that not all will be healed. That is because it is not the will of God, that they be healed. But healing is still something that Christians operate according to the will of God.

 

[Mike]

Of course there is a promise that believers would cast out demons and heal the sick. What do you think the nine manifestations of the Spirit are for anyways ? > I Corinth. 12:6 - 11

May I also point out, that not all will be healed. That is because it is not the will of God, that they be healed. But healing is still something that Christians operate according to the will of God.

I'm not sure I understand your take. If I'm correct in what I think you're saying, I agree. I think you're saying we can and should pray for healing, but we need to accept that God has a greater purpose for us beyond our current circumstances. We see the point, while He sees the line. If we ask for healing, it will not always happen, and we need to pray for strength to accept His Will, whether it's Yes, No, or Wait.

 

[Mysteryman]

Of course there is a promise that believers would cast out demons and heal the sick. What do you think the nine manifestations of the Spirit are for anyways ? > I Corinth. 12:6 - 11

May I also point out, that not all will be healed. That is because it is not the will of God, that they be healed. But healing is still something that Christians operate according to the will of God.

I'm not sure I understand your take. If I'm correct in what I think you're saying, I agree. I think you're saying we can and should pray for healing, but we need to accept that God has a greater purpose for us beyond our current circumstances. We see the point, while He sees the line. If we ask for healing, it will not always happen, and we need to pray for strength to accept His Will, whether it's Yes, No, or Wait.

Hi

Yes, I agree. But there are also times, when healing is not available because of unbelief.. God might be willing, and the one who prays for another has no doubt, but the one being ministered unto does have doubt. Any doubt would not bring about healing. Even Jesus didn't heal everyone, because of their unbelief. But where belief was eveident, most of the time there was healing.

And some of the time, we just pray that his will be done. For God will not try us beyond what we are capable of handling. So we just keep praying, and stay in the right frame of mind -- Faith.

Bless

 

[awaken]

Jesus trained twelve ordinary men to continue His ministry, and then He sent them out on a missions trip to put into practice what they had been learning:

Luke 9:1-2,6,10: "When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. ... So they set out and went from village to village, preaching the gospel and healing people everywhere. ... When the apostles returned, they reported to Jesus what they had done."

On their short-term missions trip, the apostles preached the Gospel, healed the sick, and cast out demons. Wasn't Jesus preparing them to take over His ministry?

In Luke 4:18, Jesus said that God had sent Him into the world to have an earthly ministry of preaching the Good News and healing the sick. In John 17:18-19 Jesus told His Father that He had sent the disciples into the world to do the same ministry that He had been sent to do. Then in John 20:21 Jesus told the disciples that He was sending them into the world to do the same ministry that He had been sent to do:

Matthew 28:18-20: "Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.""

 

[Mike]

Yes, I agree. But there are also times, when healing is not available because of unbelief.. God might be willing, and the one who prays for another has no doubt, but the one being ministered unto does have doubt. Any doubt would not bring about healing. Even Jesus didn't heal everyone, because of their unbelief. But where belief was eveident, most of the time there was healing.

Plenty of faithful people, including Paul, have not been healed in the physical sense. So you have to be careful when saying healing can hinge on their faith. When you do, you can further the doubt they have. They can question their beliefs, and you can leave them with continued illness AND doubt in their salvation.

 

[awaken]

Yes, I agree. But there are also times, when healing is not available because of unbelief.. God might be willing, and the one who prays for another has no doubt, but the one being ministered unto does have doubt. Any doubt would not bring about healing. Even Jesus didn't heal everyone, because of their unbelief. But where belief was eveident, most of the time there was healing.

Plenty of faithful people, including Paul, have not been healed in the physical sense. So you have to be careful when saying healing can hinge on their faith. When you do, you can further the doubt they have. They can question their beliefs, and you can leave them with continued illness AND doubt in their salvation.

What was Paul not healed of?