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About how many here hold some preterism views? - Part 2

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I know, that is the reason im a preterist. too much sun light means that the earth would boil or be like venus.

So instead we look for significance to the sun, moon, stars that is not scientific, but symbolic, which is what would have been important to the people that lived when the words were put down.

Are these verse's symbolic? -

20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.


Why are these considered symbolic?

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

How are signs that we are to look for, somehow symbolic?



JLB
 
Re: About how many here hold some preterism views?

were the Words of Jesus literal when He said 'this generation" ?
 
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
 
Re: About how many here hold some preterism views?

were the Words of Jesus literal when He said 'this generation" ?

Yes.

I believe they were. The generation that sees the signs He described, will see Him Coming in the clouds.

Simple.
 
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Amen!
 
Then His words would have been THE or THAT :)

it is OK to not agree cause we agree Salvation is of the LORD!
 
Then His words would have been THE or THAT :)

it is OK to not agree cause we agree Salvation is of the LORD!

In whose opinion?

Do you think Jesus returned in 70 AD, Reba?
 
My most honest answer is I really don't know..... We know he came and went while He was still here.... ( that makes a lot of sense ) I do believe you know what I mean ... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .
 
Joh_20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; andtomy God, and your God.
Joh_20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrustitinto my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

a couple scripture to explain this dumb line..>>...We know he came and went while He was still here ... some days things just don't type right... :)
 
My most honest answer is I really don't know..... We know he came and went while He was still here.... ( that makes a lot of sense ) I do believe you know what I mean ... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .

28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28

I have a choice to believe Paul or you.

I love you, Reba.

But I believe Paul.


JLB
 
I totally agree I do not disagree with Paul..


... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second

Who in Jerusalem in 70 AD was eagerly waiting for Him?

I don't know is my most honest answer... I doubt the writing of The Revelation was as much a mystery to the folks 2000 years ago they IMO would have had a better understanding of the jargon /symbolism/etc we kinda know that because so much of it is taken from the OT

Always in the OT history when God messed with Israel He warned them ... This is one of those ya got to pick one statements
God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem
God allowed it to 'just happen'
God could not stop the destruction.


Thank you :) I love my brothers in the Lord
 
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I totally agree I do not disagree with Paul..


... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second

Who in Jerusalem in 70 AD was eagerly waiting for Him?

I don't know is my most honest answer... I doubt the writing of The Revelation was as much a mystery to the folks 2000 years ago they IMO would have had a better understanding of the jargon /symbolism/etc we kinda know that because so much of it is taken from the OT

Always in the OT history when God messed with Israel He warned them ... This is one of those ya got to pick one statements
God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem
God allowed it to 'just happen'
God could not stop the destruction.


Thank you :) I love my brothers in the Lord

If He came in 70 AD, then He won't be coming again.

That is the point. The Temple has nothing to do with it.


JLB
 
Well here is how 'i' see it...
in my 30+ years ;) (for those who do not read well!) Never could I have BELIEVED in preterism! It is far, far, ...way out in left out field!

But here we are today telling the tale of what follows on after Matt. 24:21? I know that the Word is truth, yet I have a very hard time believing that the following verses have come into existence.
Matt. 24:21 on...

[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28] For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then [[[shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:]]] and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And there it is, in PLAIN SIGHT! And we see it taking place as 'i' speak. And it could deceive the very elect?? No, it says 'IF' it were possible!

But the prophesy [has got to have a two time repeat alignment] Christ's Word tells us, and as hard as it might be to believe this stuff, it is laid out before us to see!

--Elijah
 
I totally agree I do not disagree with Paul..


... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second

Who in Jerusalem in 70 AD was eagerly waiting for Him?

I don't know is my most honest answer... I doubt the writing of The Revelation was as much a mystery to the folks 2000 years ago they IMO would have had a better understanding of the jargon /symbolism/etc we kinda know that because so much of it is taken from the OT

Always in the OT history when God messed with Israel He warned them ... This is one of those ya got to pick one statements
God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem
God allowed it to 'just happen'
God could not stop the destruction.


Thank you :) I love my brothers in the Lord

If He came in 70 AD, then He won't be coming again.

That is the point. The Temple has nothing to do with it.


JLB

Except it is not that simple, because there is more than one way to define His coming, both first and second. Relatively is not just for physics, but just like in physics, it can seem counterintuitive at first.
 
I totally agree I do not disagree with Paul..


... I do believe he is coming back for His bride/church/us .

To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second

Who in Jerusalem in 70 AD was eagerly waiting for Him?

I don't know is my most honest answer... I doubt the writing of The Revelation was as much a mystery to the folks 2000 years ago they IMO would have had a better understanding of the jargon /symbolism/etc we kinda know that because so much of it is taken from the OT

Always in the OT history when God messed with Israel He warned them ... This is one of those ya got to pick one statements
God used the Romans to destroy Jerusalem
God allowed it to 'just happen'
God could not stop the destruction.


Thank you :) I love my brothers in the Lord

If He came in 70 AD, then He won't be coming again.

That is the point. The Temple has nothing to do with it.


JLB

Except it is not that simple, because there is more than one way to define His coming, both first and second. Relatively is not just for physics, but just like in physics, it can seem counterintuitive at first.

Just chapter and verse please.
 
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