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See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before.

... Their remaining till the coming of Jesus in power, judgement, reward...

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

Once again we see those who would try and convince us that Jesus has returned and the resurrection is past, do so by trying to establish their doctrine with language that doesn't exist in the scripture they use.

Where is the word Power, judgement or reward in Luke 9:27?
JLB
See again post 424. http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51722&p=814319&viewfull=1#post814319
The verses are pasted there. Matt 16; Mark 8; 9:1, and and Luke 9 are parallel passages. The words (except judgement, but implied with recompense or reward) are there. Your demand or dictation to focus on lk 9:27 reveals the disfavorable implications (to your argument) of the previous verses (and previous verses in the parallel passages).

Thanks.
 
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No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

Historical fact!

JLB

JLB, please answer this question:

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one)
generation? YES or NO

The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Luke 21:25-27

The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27.

The key is found in the phrase look up, lift up your heads...

What were they to see if they lifted up their heads?

They would see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Thus the phrase - EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, EVEN THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM!

The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds.

JLB

JLB, my question was:
Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation? YES or NO
Again, you did not answer my question!
You said:
"The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27"
"The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27."
"The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds."

These statements do not answer my question. I can tell you spend some time doing this, you are great at avoiding questions you don't want to answer,

These statements are just your opinion JLB!
Show me in Math.24, Mark 13 or Luke 21 where Jesus says:

"This generation shall not pass until ONLY the signs are fulfilled"
OR
"This generation shall not pass until ONLY verses 25-27 are fulfilled"

You have tried to make Jesus' words "all these things" and "all" refer to only verses 25-27. Sorry friend, that won't do, That is not what these words mean. You have added to and twisted the "very real words" of Jesus to try to justify your doctrine.

Here is what Jesus actually said:
Math.24:34 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled
Mark 13:30 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be done"
Luke 21:32 "...,until ALL be fulfilled"

Again, you try to make the words "all these things" and "all" mean only verses 25-27 and exclude what doesn't fit your doctrine.
Sorry JLB, "all these things" means "all these things"....."all" means "all"!

JLB, I asked you, "Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation"? This question you have not answered but only gave YOUR OPINION that "all" means "only" verses 25-27. This of course does not make a bit of sense!

Once again, (this time without your OPINION of what "all these things" means, because your opinion is wrong), please answer my question with a YES or NO answer.

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one)
generation? YES or NO

Thank you
 
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No it's actually a historical fact, just like the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD.

Historical fact!

JLB

JLB, please answer this question:

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one)
generation? YES or NO

The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Luke 21:25-27

The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27.

The key is found in the phrase look up, lift up your heads...

What were they to see if they lifted up their heads?

They would see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Thus the phrase - EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, EVEN THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM!

The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds.

JLB

JLB, my question was:
Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation? YES or NO
Again, you did not answer my question!
You said:
"The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27"
"The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27."
"The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds."

These statements do not answer my question. I can tell you spend some time doing this, you are great at avoiding questions you don't want to answer,

These statements are just your opinion JLB!
Show me in Math.24, Mark 13 or Luke 21 where Jesus says:

"This generation shall not pass until ONLY the signs are fulfilled"
OR
"This generation shall not pass until ONLY verses 25-27 are fulfilled"

You have tried to make Jesus' words "all these things" and "all" refer to only verses 25-27. Sorry friend, that won't do, That is not what these words mean. You have added to and twisted the "very real words" of Jesus to try to justify your doctrine.

Here is what Jesus actually said:
Math.24:34 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled
Mark 13:30 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be done"
Luke 21:32 "...,until ALL be fulfilled"

Again, you try to make the words "all these things" and "all" mean only verses 25-27 and exclude what doesn't fit your doctrine.
Sorry JLB, "all these things" means "all these things"....."all" means "all"!

JLB, I asked you, "Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation"? This question you have not answered but only gave YOUR OPINION that "all" means "only" verses 25-27. This of course does not make a bit of sense!

Once again, (this time without your OPINION of what "all these things" means, because your opinion is wrong), please answer my question with a YES or NO answer.

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one)
generation? YES or NO

Thank you

Brother, I have answered this question 3 times.

I'm sorry you and I don't agree.

I have proved the AOD is not associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus reference to the AOD has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD.

You have been shown the truth.

Please, don't keep asking me to answer the same question over and over, when I have answered it 3 times.

You are going to get the same answer every time.

JLB
 
See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before.

... Their remaining till the coming of Jesus in power, judgement, reward...

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

Once again we see those who would try and convince us that Jesus has returned and the resurrection is past, do so by trying to establish their doctrine with language that doesn't exist in the scripture they use.

Where is the word Power, judgement or reward in Luke 9:27?
JLB
See again post 424. http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51722&p=814319&viewfull=1#post814319
The verses are pasted there. Matt 16; Mark 8; 9:1, and and Luke 9 are parallel passages. The words (except judgement, but implied with recompense or reward) are there. Your demand or dictation to focus on lk 9:27 reveals the disfavorable implications (to your argument) of the previous verses (and previous verses in the parallel passages).

Thanks.

You asked the question about Luke 9:27, not me.

You added alot of language to it that doesn't exist, not me.

Preterism is Heresy, there is nothing you can say to change that.

You need to change your method of interpretation.


JLB
 
Preterism is Heresy, there is nothing you can say to change that.


I don't think anyone here is endorsing full preterism, are they? That is against the rules and yes considered heresy.
What do you think the Reformers taught about Daniel 9 ? Were they heretics?
 
Preterism is Heresy, there is nothing you can say to change that.


I don't think anyone here is endorsing full preterism, are they? That is against the rules and yes considered heresy.
What do you think the Reformers taught about Daniel 9 ? Were they heretics?

The person I addressed endorses full Preterism.


JLB
 
See again post 424. The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before.

... Their remaining till the coming of Jesus in power, judgement, reward...

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

Once again we see those who would try and convince us that Jesus has returned and the resurrection is past, do so by trying to establish their doctrine with language that doesn't exist in the scripture they use.

Where is the word Power, judgement or reward in Luke 9:27?
JLB
See again post 424. http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51722&p=814319&viewfull=1#post814319
The verses are pasted there. Matt 16; Mark 8; 9:1, and and Luke 9 are parallel passages. The words (except judgement, but implied with recompense or reward) are there. Your demand or dictation to focus on lk 9:27 reveals the disfavorable implications (to your argument) of the previous verses (and previous verses in the parallel passages).

Thanks.

You asked the question about Luke 9:27, not me.

You added alot of language to it that doesn't exist, not me.

Preterism is Heresy, there is nothing you can say to change that.

You need to change your method of interpretation.


JLB
The language does exist. I think its evident for all ti see in post 424 that some of those who were standing there would see Jesus come in his kingdom in power, in His and his fathers glory; with the angels and with reward.
The words of lk 9:27 are associated with vs 24-26, not as much 10:1. And likewise in the other paralell passages. This is simple reading comprehension, not an ism.

You again deny and change the words of Jesus if/when they contradict your paradigm spirit and beliefs.
It takes an allegience to a prior ism to ignore or deny Jesus' so obvious intended meaning and likewise that of the related topic in Matt 25:31.

Perhapa some need to change their ism rather than jesus' words.
Thanks again.
 
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The language does exist. You again deny and change the words of Jesus if/when they contradict your paradigm spirit and beliefs.

Ok, lets go back to your conversation, and see what you wrote -

The mention of some of their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels. Its part of the same conversation and the sentemce before
You wrote that Luke 9:27 mentions their remaining till the coming of Jesus in his Kingdomis ascociated with his coming in power, in judgmentt, reward, and with the angels.


Luke 9:27 does not mention this language!. .. Their remaining till the coming of Jesus in power, judgement, reward...

Here is Luke 9:27 -

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." Luke 9:27

Once again we see those who would try and convince us that Jesus has returned and the resurrection is past, do so by trying to establish their doctrine with language that doesn't exist in the scripture they use.

Where is the word Power, judgement or reward in Luke 9:27?

This is the scripture you chose to discuss, now you add language to it that doesn't exist.

No wonder this Forum and others have declared preterism to be Heresy!


JLB
 
The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27

25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of heaven will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to





happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." Luke 21:25-27

The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27.

The key is found in the phrase look up, lift up your heads...

What were they to see if they lifted up their heads?

They would see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Thus the phrase - EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, EVEN THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM!

The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which
are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds.

JLB

JLB, my question was:

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation? YES or NO
Again, you did not answer my question!

You said:
"The generation that sees all these things, which are found in verse 25 -27"
"The term this generation in verse 32 refers to the generation that sees the events of verse 25-27."
"The answer is a single generation that see's the signs that Jesus gave, which are the same signs that Matthew gave, will see the son of Man coming in the clouds."

These statements do not answer my question. I can tell you spend some time doing this, you are great at avoiding questions you don't want to answer,

These statements are just your opinion JLB!
Show me in Math.24, Mark 13 or Luke 21 where Jesus says:

"This generation shall not pass until ONLY the signs are fulfilled"
OR
"This generation shall not pass until ONLY verses 25-27 are fulfilled"

You have tried to make Jesus' words "all these things" and "all" refer to only verses 25-27. Sorry friend, that won't do, That is not what these words mean. You have added to and twisted the "very real words" of Jesus to try to justify your doctrine.

Here is what Jesus actually said:
Math.24:34 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled
Mark 13:30 "....until ALL THESE THINGS be done"
Luke 21:32 "...,until ALL be fulfilled"

Again, you try to make the words "all these things" and "all" mean only verses 25-27 and exclude what doesn't fit your doctrine.
Sorry JLB, "all these things" means "all these things"....."all" means "all"!

JLB, I asked you, "Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one) generation"? This question you have not answered but only gave YOUR OPINION that "all" means "only" verses 25-27. This of course does not make a bit of sense!

Once again, (this time without your OPINION of what "all these things" means, because
your opinion is wrong), please answer my question with a YES or NO answer.

Question: Do Jesus' words "this generation" in Luke 21:32 refer to a single (one)
generation? YES or NO

Thank you

Brother, I have answered this question 3 times.

I'm sorry you and I don't agree.

I have proved the AOD is not associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus reference to the AOD has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD

You have been shown the truth.

Please, don't keep asking me to answer the same question over and over, when I have answered it 3 times.

You are going to get the same answer every time.

JLB

JLB, you have answered nothing, and proven nothing. You never actually address my posts or show why how I am wrong (if I am wrong); you just say things like "I'm sorry we don't agree". That's ok, we both know why you don't answer my question directly.

You said:

I have proved the AOD is not associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus reference to the AOD has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD.

Fact:
The entire olivet discourse of Mark 13 has nothing to do with or no reference to "the end of the age".
Mark 13:1-4 "And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here? (Referring to Jerusalem and the temple)
And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? (referring to Jerusalem) There shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down (referring to Jerusalem's destruction).
As as he sat upon the mount of olives over against the temple, Peter James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
Tell us, when shall these things be? (referring to Jerusalems destruction) And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? (referring to the destruction of Jerusalem)".

As you can clearly see, there is no inquiry made by the disciples of the "end of the age" in the context of Mark 13.

The entire olivet discourse of Mark 13 pertains to the "time" of Jerusalems destruction
(WHEN shall these things be) and the SIGN which indicates that Jerusalems destruction would be be accomplished within that generation.

By Marks discourse, I have proved that the AOD is totally associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus reference to the AOD has everything to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has everything to do with the events of 70 AD since it is the same discourse at Marks!

So, here is my question to you JLB:

Since the disciples only asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not about the "end of the age", and since the context of Jesus' discourse was also only about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not the "end of the age", why does Jesus mention the AOD in verse 14 and his "coming in the clouds" in verse 26; both of which YOU CLAIM are future events which will yet happen in the "end of the age"?
 
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So if the temple will not be HOLY, then how can to be a destruction of this temple an abomination seeing it will not be Holy?

@JLB , you know I may have I talked myself into another view. This temple would definitely be an abomination. So if it were to be destroyed in would be an AOD. The destruction of another abomination.
I think this may be part of the meaning that on the WING of abominations come one who makes desolate. The 'wing' was the 'extension' of, or continuation of the abomination (after the cross and covenant) Due to the continuation of their practice came one who made them desolate.
Another application may be that on the outer extensions of the temple mount complex was a roman garrison called fortress antonia.
With the continued sacrifice being considered an abominatiin, the Roman Garrison could havw been consudered to be on the wing if theabomination after the indwelling of christ was complete.

Another aspect is that the ceasars had instructed that their bust or head statue woukd be placed in temples throughout rome including the one in jerusalem.
 
lol, reba that is right. in this conversation, im the only jew. I must be on the earth in the trib and well channeling the church in heaven. somewhere In the bible I must have missed that the jews were so special to god then gentiles were an after thought. Or that part I misunderstood where it says one body of both jews and gentile. hmm a saved jew after the cross is part of what?

I don't recall the cross a temporary offer to the world. I recall that its a one time offer, ya can partake of it till you die then tis to late, or He returns.
 
JBL, I (WE) don't have time for your childish and simple games. Its been noted 4 times now that apost 424 contains the prior verae of lk 9:26 which indicates Jesus meaning of vs 27. The other parallel passages contain the same message in their prior verses.

Yourr continual denial and skirting of, and interacting with, the intent if Jesus words is open for
all to see.

MY previous posts stand reaffirmed.
 
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JBL, I (WE) don't have time for your childish and simple games. Its been noted 4 times now that apost 424 contains the prior verae of lk 9:26 which indicates Jesus meaning of vs 27. The other parallel passages contain the same message in their prior verses.


MY previous posts stand reaffirmed.

Ok, then the following verses then are the context of what Jesus was refferring to about seeing the kingdom of God, which states -


27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." 28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. 30 And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him. 33 Then it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"--not knowing what he said. 34 While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud.
35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!" 36 When the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone. But they kept quiet, and told no one in those days any of the things they had seen.

Were Moses and Elijah a part of Gods Kingdom?

What were the disciples shown when they entered the cloud?


JLB



 
With the continued sacrifice being considered an abominatiin, the Roman Garrison could havw been consudered to be on the wing if theabomination after the indwelling of christ was complete

This is one of the interpretations I have read, too. Like military language.

I've also considered like an out stretched arm. Like the 'arm of the law'.

The events were 'determined, decided' at the cross. In crucifying Jesus their fate was determined.
 
JBL, I (WE) don't have time for your childish and simple games. Its been noted 4 times now that apost 424 contains the prior verae of lk 9:26 which indicates Jesus meaning of vs 27. The other parallel passages contain the same message in their prior verses.


MY previous posts stand reaffirmed.

Ok, then the following verses then are the context of what Jesus was refferring to about seeing the kingdom of God, which states -

27 "But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the kingdom of God." 28 Now it came to pass, about eight days after these sayings, that He took Peter, John, and James and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 As He prayed, the appearance of His face was altered, and His robe became white and glistening. 30 And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah, 31 who appeared in glory and spoke of His decease which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem. 32 But Peter and those with him were heavy with sleep; and when they were fully awake, they saw His glory and the two men who stood with Him. 33 Then it happened, as they were parting from Him, that Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah"--not knowing what he said. 34 While he was saying this, a cloud came and overshadowed them; and they were fearful as they entered the cloud.
35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!" 36 When the voice had ceased, Jesus was found alone. But they kept quiet, and told no one in those days any of the things they had seen.

Were Moses and Elijah a part of Gods Kingdom?

What were the disciples shown when they entered the cloud?


JLB


JLB, you have answered nothing, and proven nothing. You never actually address my posts or show why how I am wrong (if I am wrong); you just say things like "I'm sorry we don't agree". Comment deleted

You said:

I have proved the AOD is not associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus
reference to the AOD has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the events of 70 AD.

Fact:
The entire olivet discourse of Mark 13 has nothing to do with or no reference to "the end of the age".
Mark 13:1-4 "And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here? (Referring to Jerusalem and the temple)
And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? (referring to
Jerusalem) There shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down (referring to Jerusalem's destruction).
As as he sat upon the mount of olives over against the temple, Peter James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
Tell us, when shall these things be? (referring to Jerusalems destruction) And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? (referring to the destruction of Jerusalem)".

As you can clearly see, there is no inquiry made by the disciples of the "end of the age" in the context of Mark 13.

The entire olivet discourse of Mark 13 pertains to the "time" of Jerusalems destruction
(WHEN shall these things be) and the SIGN which indicates that Jerusalems destruction would be be accomplished within that generation.

By Marks discourse, I have proved that the AOD is totally associated with the events of 70 AD, which means Jesus reference to the AOD has everything to do with the events of 70 AD, which also means Matthew 24 has everything to do with the events of 70 AD!

(Its interesting that you JLB see the AOD and Jesus' "coming in the clouds" as FUTURE events in the end of "this age". Yet Jesus clearly tells his disciples in Mark 13 when answering their questions, that THEY would see the AOD and his "coming in the clouds" in the context of Jerusalems destruction and mentions nothing about the "end of the age")!

So, here is my question to you JLB:

Since in Mark 13, the disciples ONLY asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and NOT ABOUT the "end of the age", and since the context of Jesus' discourse was also ONLY ABOUT Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and NOT the "end of the age", WHY does Jesus mention the AOD in verse 14 and his "coming in the clouds" in verse 26?
 
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lol, reba that is right. in this conversation, im the only jew. I must be on the earth in the trib and well channeling the church in heaven. somewhere In the bible I must have missed that the jews were so special to god then gentiles were an after thought. Or that part I misunderstood where it says one body of both jews and gentile. hmm a saved jew after the cross is part of what?

I don't recall the cross a temporary offer to the world. I recall that its a one time offer, ya can partake of it till you die then tis to late, or He returns.

Amen !
 
@ Hope of glory
I suspect it all depend in the manner we read it huh?

Since the disciples only asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not about the "end of the age",

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us . . . of the end of the world (age)? :biggrinunno
 
@ Hope of glory
I suspect it all depend in the manner we read it huh?

Since the disciples only asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not about the "end of the age",

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us . . . of the end of the world (age)? :biggrinunno

Eugene, I was referring to Marks account:

Mark 13:1-4 "And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here? (Referring to Jerusalem and the temple)
And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? (referring to Jerusalem) There shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down (referring to Jerusalem's destruction).
As as he sat upon the mount of olives over against the temple, Peter James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

Tell us, when shall these things be? (referring to Jerusalems destruction) And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? (referring to the destruction of Jerusalem)".

So, here is my question to JLB and Eugene.

Since in Marks account of the olivet discourse, the disciples only asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not about the "end of the age", and since the context of Jesus' discourse was also only about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not the "end of the age", why does Jesus mention the AOD in verse 14 and his "coming in the clouds" in verse 26; both of which YOU CLAIM are future events which will yet happen in the "end of the age"?

Thanks, Hope of glory
 
So, here is my question to JLB and Eugene. Since the disciples only asked questions about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not about the "end of the age", and since the context of Jesus' discourse was also only about Jerusalems destruction in 70ad and not the "end of the age", why does Jesus mention the AOD in verse 14 and his "coming in the clouds" in verse 26; both of which YOU CLAIM are future events which will yet happen in the "end of the age"?


Matthew records a private conversation.

Mark records a private conversation.

Both Matthew and Mark are the same setting.

We already know, as Matthew records, that they asked what will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age.

So, the discourse is the same, though Mark records some things that Matthew doesn't.

I have already shown you from Daniel 9, that The AOD is not associated with the events of 70 AD, as you have admitted, so do even try to change your story about the Abomination of Desolation.


7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.

Could all the disciples keep up with all the wars and rumors of wars?


8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

Could the disciples who were present at this discourse, track and keep up with earthquakes, and famines, and troubles from all over the earth.

And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations.

Could the disciples be able to reach every ethnic group of the world? There are still unreached ethnic groups even today that have not heard the Gospel.

12 Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 13 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

How could just the disciples be hated by all, if all ethnic groups have not heard the Gospel?


These are directives to all who read these words, as Jesus stated -

37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!"


JLB
 
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