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I believe life is what you make it to be by what you surround yourself with and your own attitude towards life. I hate drama and it's not allowed to enter my house.

I hate drama too and I tend to avoid it whenever possible but alas, I would be lying to you if I told you that I didn't get a bit dramatic myself sometimes.
 

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I hate drama too and I tend to avoid it whenever possible but alas, I would be lying to you if I told you that I didn't get a bit dramatic myself sometimes.

That's just human nature and I'm sure all of us do at times. I can be the sweetest person, but if you get me really mad, which is not very often, I will rip you a new one and then I have to go repent for my actions and apologize to the person I was angry at and ask them for forgiveness.
 

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That's just human nature and I'm sure all of us do at times. I can be the sweetest person, but if you get me really mad, which is not very often, I will rip you a new one and then I have to go repent for my actions and apologize to the person I was angry at and ask them for forgiveness.

You know I am currently making a topic in the lounge that I am sure you will want to see. Just give me a minute, it's about what we're talking about now.
 

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It wasn't Adam and Eve who caused the fall of man as it was Satan
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Exactly. Satan deceived A&E by lying to them. They had never heard a lie before since they had only talked with God and God doesn't lie.
Satan tricked them into sin (Disobedience, rebellion) in order to separate them from God, in whom alone is life, so that they would die and return to dust and the image of God would be destroyed.
Jesus overturned that injustice by becoming a man, not sinning, dying anyway, and then destroying death's hold on mankind by rising from death. He destroyed death by His own death and disarmed Satan.
We will still die because all have sinned but we will all be resurrected.
Satan looses.
God (and we) win.
 

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You know I realize that this topic is very old but there's one other thing that I'm wondering. If Adam and Eve were the first two humans ever created by God, does that mean that we still have their DNA?
 

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You know I realize that this topic is very old but there's one other thing that I'm wondering. If Adam and Eve were the first two humans ever created by God, does that mean that we still have their DNA?

HIR,

"If Adam and Eve were the first two humans ever created by God...." Do you doubt that A&E were the first human beings ever created???

"... does that mean that we still have their DNA?" This is an Argument from Silence Fallacy that you have asked as a question.

Oz
 

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HIR,

"If Adam and Eve were the first two humans ever created by God...." Do you doubt that A&E were the first human beings ever created???

"... does that mean that we still have their DNA?" This is an Argument from Silence Fallacy that you have asked as a question.

Oz


First of all that's not what I meant and second of all I don't understand that kind of writing.
 

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First of all that's not what I meant and second of all I don't understand that kind of writing.

HIR,

You wrote in #46, 'If Adam and Eve were the first two humans....' You didn't write, 'Since Adam and Eve were the first two humans....'

'If' they were human beings puts doubts in my (the reader's) mind that you consider them to be the first humans.

I didn't explain the second half of the post well enough when I stated: '
"... does that mean that we still have their DNA?" This is an Argument from Silence Fallacy that you have asked as a question'. The link explains more about this fallacy in reasoning.

Is that what you mean by your statement: 'I don't understand that kind of writing'.

Whenever I want to present a case for something that is not in the biblical text, I engage in erroneous reasoning. Since nothing is stated about DNA in the OT text, there is no way that we could ever know the truth or falsehood of such an investigation.

This type of fallacious reasoning is called an Argument from Silence Fallacy.

It is not dealing with evidence or facts. It relates to the kind of reasoning used.

I apologise for not explaining it in a better way.

If you still don't understand what I wrote, would you please raise the issues with me for further explanation?

Oz
 

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HIR,

You wrote in #46, 'If Adam and Eve were the first two humans....' You didn't write, 'Since Adam and Eve were the first two humans....'

'If' they were human beings puts doubts in my (the reader's) mind that you consider them to be the first humans.

I didn't explain the second half of the post well enough when I stated: '
"... does that mean that we still have their DNA?" This is an Argument from Silence Fallacy that you have asked as a question'. The link explains more about this fallacy in reasoning.

Is that what you mean by your statement: 'I don't understand that kind of writing'.

Whenever I want to present a case for something that is not in the biblical text, I engage in erroneous reasoning. Since nothing is stated about DNA in the OT text, there is no way that we could ever know the truth or falsehood of such an investigation.

This type of fallacious reasoning is called an Argument from Silence Fallacy.

It is not dealing with evidence or facts. It relates to the kind of reasoning used.

I apologise for not explaining it in a better way.

If you still don't understand what I wrote, would you please raise the issues with me for further explanation?

Oz



You were fine, I just didn't understand the article that you linked to but I apologize. I should have used a different choice of words.
 

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So a very simplified way of thinking about DNA could include the notion that we would all then have elements of our DNA that got passed down from A&E, and none of us have the same DNA as either of them.

Modern evolutionary theory is based on ALL DNA having much in common, so science as a whole concludes everything must have sprung up from the same single organism. (Probably something simpler than any life that still exists today)

I find that to be such poor reasoning that it's laughable! Wouldn't it be better to conclude that God made DNA, saw that it was good, and decided to keep using it?

All life comes from God, who is not an organism.
 

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So a very simplified way of thinking about DNA could include the notion that we would all then have elements of our DNA that got passed down from A&E, and none of us have the same DNA as either of them.

Modern evolutionary theory is based on ALL DNA having much in common, so science as a whole concludes everything must have sprung up from the same single organism. (Probably something simpler than any life that still exists today)

I find that to be such poor reasoning that it's laughable! Wouldn't it be better to conclude that God made DNA, saw that it was good, and decided to keep using it?

All life comes from God, who is not an organism.
Answers in Genesis uses a very simple illustration of DNA and how it is specific to each "kind" which watered down, could mean to be broken down into specific families such as the dog or cat family.

For simplicity, let's look at the dog family.
If we look at the wolf, it has the richest concentration of DNA. Because of this, we can breed the wolf down to a poodle. Each time we breed it down, it loses DNA information. Because it looses DNA information, you cant breed a poodle into a wolf because it doesnt have the full DNA information set.

When I ask myself the question, "do we share the same DNA as Adam and Eve", my response is yes, but in a very limited information set. We are part of the Human Family to which there is only one race, and that's the Human Kind. We are divine dirt clods formed from the earth created in the image of God lol.

But to answer your reply, we do not share the same DNA as let's say the Dog or Cat Family. This is why no matter how hard animals try, two dogs will not produce a cat.
 

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I realize that this is a very old topic but I was just wondering, so if it weren't for the fall of Adam and Eve, then everybody would just continue living forever on earth? Wouldn't the population have gotten extremely crowded then?
 

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I realize that this is a very old topic but I was just wondering, so if it weren't for the fall of Adam and Eve, then everybody would just continue living forever on earth? Wouldn't the population have gotten extremely crowded then?
Ha, you would think so!
If you read Revelation, we read of a new heaven and a new earth that go along with our new body.... perhaps the new earth will be big enough to resolve the issue you bring up.

Me thinks God knew exactly what he was doing from the beginning.
 

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Ha, you would think so!
If you read Revelation, we read of a new heaven and a new earth that go along with our new body.... perhaps the new earth will be big enough to resolve the issue you bring up.

Me thinks God knew exactly what he was doing from the beginning.



I agree, but I'm talking about what the earth and population would have been like today if Adam and Eve had chosen to listen to and obey God and we wouldn't have been in any need for a Savior.
 

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I agree, but I'm talking about what the earth and population would have been like today if Adam and Eve had chosen to listen to and obey God and we wouldn't have been in any need for a Savior.

If deceit (Satan) had never entered causing man to sin against God's command then it would still be like the garden of Eden in all its beauty. Someday we will all be in that garden of paradise when we receive our new glorious bodies and enter into the New Jerusalem.
 

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If deceit (Satan) had never entered causing man to sin against God's command then it would still be like the garden of Eden in all its beauty. Someday we will all be in that garden of paradise when we receive our new glorious bodies and enter into the New Jerusalem.



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If deceit (Satan) had never entered causing man to sin against God's command then it would still be like the garden of Eden in all its beauty. Someday we will all be in that garden of paradise when we receive our new glorious bodies and enter into the New Jerusalem.
If.... that's a pretty big word if you ask me.

Eve was tricked (decieved), but Adam willfully disobeyed. Hence, death came through Adam and the ground was cursed.

I have always enjoyed the creation account. One thing I always enjoyed was the idea that the Garden was the cats meow and outside the garden was chaos. Adam and Eve were tasked with expanding Eden.

If you think about it, we kind of have the same task.
 

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If.... that's a pretty big word if you ask me.

Eve was tricked (decieved), but Adam willfully disobeyed. Hence, death came through Adam and the ground was cursed.

I have always enjoyed the creation account. One thing I always enjoyed was the idea that the Garden was the cats meow and outside the garden was chaos. Adam and Eve were tasked with expanding Eden.

If you think about it, we kind of have the same task.



Umm,... what exactly do you mean by that? :confused
 

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If.... that's a pretty big word if you ask me.

Eve was tricked (decieved), but Adam willfully disobeyed. Hence, death came through Adam and the ground was cursed.

I have always enjoyed the creation account. One thing I always enjoyed was the idea that the Garden was the cats meow and outside the garden was chaos. Adam and Eve were tasked with expanding Eden.

If you think about it, we kind of have the same task.

Exactly, as our task is to also help keep that of the beauty of God's creation, but sin has caused the erosion of this earth.
 
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