Bible Study Age of accountability is nowhere found in the Bible

[for_his_glory]

Let me just ask you one question. If what I'm getting from you is the fact that babies are evil from the womb, then why does God give every single person the choice to repent? I was a big bully when I was a kid and I'm sure a lot of people probably gave up on me, but God never did and I repented of all of my sins and choose Christ to be my Savior.




Like you just stated, our ways are not our ways but the Lord's. Only He is the true judge and to say that babies can be judged for sins that they never committed,.. well with all due love and respect sis, I do find that to be ridiculous.

I'll try to make it as clear as I can for you to understand.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Let's start with the first scripture. Shapened in iniquity means we are all born with a sin nature, but it is only activated when we sin for the first time as then we become sinners.

The second scripture is about the sin nature how it is wicked and can take over your life from the day you were born. A baby is not taught to be selfish, disobedient or greedy as those things come naturally to a baby when they start to become aware of their surroundings and start to interact with it.

The third scripture say we have all sinned as it all started at birth.

All are shapened in iniquity (sin nature) who are also wicked and estranged from the womb, naturally, until they are disciplined and corrected by their parents at an early age and need to be taught abut Jesus.

If I stand true to scripture sinners can not inherit the kingdom of God no matter what the age. Babies that are not yet aware of their surroundings and die I believe will be with Christ when he returns. This is why it is so important that parents need to start from the beginning of a babies life to teach them right from wrong when they start interacting with their surroundings.

I really do not think there is a certain age limit to accountability as even a baby can relate to the word "no".

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I'll try to make it as clear as I can for you to understand.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Let's start with the first scripture. Shapened in iniquity means we are all born with a sin nature, but it is only activated when we sin for the first time as then we become sinners.

The second scripture is about the sin nature how it is wicked and can take over your life from the day you were born. A baby is not taught to be selfish, disobedient or greedy as those things come naturally to a baby when they start to become aware of their surroundings and start to interact with it.

The third scripture say we have all sinned as it all started at birth.

All are shapened in iniquity (sin nature) who are also wicked and estranged from the womb, naturally, until they are disciplined and corrected by their parents at an early age and need to be taught abut Jesus.

If I stand true to scripture sinners can not inherit the kingdom of God no matter what the age. Babies that are not yet aware of their surroundings and die I believe will be with Christ when he returns. This is why it is so important that parents need to start from the beginning of a babies life to teach them right from wrong when they start interacting with their surroundings.

I really do not think there is a certain age limit to accountability as even a baby can relate to the word "no".

Oh so you don't believe that infants will go to Hell then? I guess this was all a complete misunderstanding then.

 

[reba]

The age does not matter 1 month or 120 years .. We are saved by Grace.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Which of us has done enough for Salvation?

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

The age does not matter 1 month or 120 years .. We are saved by Grace.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Which of us has done enough for Salvation?

Hey Reba, how's it going? We don't see that much of you anymore and it's nice that you still stop by every now and then. Anyways, I agree with what you're saying but you forgot one tiny little thing, how is a one month old infant going to be saved by their faith when they aren't even old enough to know who Jesus is?

 

[ezra]

I really do not think there is a certain age limit to accountability as even a baby can relate to the word "no".

depending on what you mean by no . children are innocent in most cases not all a child has to be taught by example .child are easily influenced. you ask me its the adults who stand the greater judgement Jesus said, "Leave the children alone, and don't try to keep them from coming to me, because the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Matthew 19:14
Matthew 18:3
"Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:6
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
the abortion doctor and those who support abortion will burn in eternal lake of fire . race and mercy is upon all the children .they have to understand they are lost just like a adult

 

[ezra]

how is a one month old infant going to be saved by their faith when they aren't even old enough to know who Jesus is?

there not they are protected under the blood

 

[GodsGrace]

With all due respect for_his_glory, I would appreciate it if you qualified your teaching as your understanding of scripture. I, nor many others do not interpret scripture the way you do.

For instance, Psalms 51 can be interpreted like this.
The Psalm is about David's grief over his sexual conduct with Bathsheba and the murdering of her Husband as well as the death of his child. All of these bad things occurred because his sexual drive over powered his noggin.

David had his own issues growing up, no family is perfect. Scripture tells us that sex is for procreation, and David understood this. But like so many men, his sexual desires were not for procreation, but rather his own sexual desires. In other words, having children wasn't the intent for having sex.

Psalms 51:4-5 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

What we see in Psalms 51:5 is a reflection on his childhood. His childhood is told in Psalms 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Here is the rest of the story.

Nitzevet, Mother of David - The bold voice of silence

He was Israel’s mightiest warrior, revered by friend and foe; yet for the first 28 years of his life he was a lowly outcast . . . The secret story behind the mysterious circumstances of King David’s birth.

www.chabad.org

I believe Psalms 58:3 would follow suit with how Psalms 51:5 would be understood.

Below is another Psalm from David in which he says he was beautifully and wonderfully made.

Psalms 139:13-16 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Although David's family disowned him, he knew he understood that every human being has value and every human being has God's spark.

Great study here... I learned from it.
THIS is how it should be...

 

[reba]

Hey Reba, how's it going? We don't see that much of you anymore and it's nice that you still stop by every now and then. Anyways, I agree with what you're saying but you forgot one tiny little thing, how is a one month old infant going to be saved by their faith when they aren't even old enough to know who Jesus is?

Our faith comes from God. it is not of our selves.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Question God all you want . I choose to trust His Grace.

 

[for_his_glory]

With all due respect for_his_glory, I would appreciate it if you qualified your teaching as your understanding of scripture. I, nor many others do not interpret scripture the way you do.

For instance, Psalms 51 can be interpreted like this.
The Psalm is about David's grief over his sexual conduct with Bathsheba and the murdering of her Husband as well as the death of his child. All of these bad things occurred because his sexual drive over powered his noggin.

David had his own issues growing up, no family is perfect. Scripture tells us that sex is for procreation, and David understood this. But like so many men, his sexual desires were not for procreation, but rather his own sexual desires. In other words, having children wasn't the intent for having sex.

Psalms 51:4-5 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

What we see in Psalms 51:5 is a reflection on his childhood. His childhood is told in Psalms 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.
Here is the rest of the story.

Nitzevet, Mother of David - The bold voice of silence

He was Israel’s mightiest warrior, revered by friend and foe; yet for the first 28 years of his life he was a lowly outcast . . . The secret story behind the mysterious circumstances of King David’s birth.

www.chabad.org

I believe Psalms 58:3 would follow suit with how Psalms 51:5 would be understood.

Below is another Psalm from David in which he says he was beautifully and wonderfully made.

Psalms 139:13-16 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well. My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Although David's family disowned him, he knew he understood that every human being has value and every human being has God's spark.

The only way I can qualify what I teach is by how I study the scriptures apart from what man has always traditionally taught. I always pray first and ask the Holy Spirit to teach me. I am also opened for correction by others that are far more knowledgeable then I am and I take those corrections to the Holy Spirit as I test the spirits for truth or error.

I really do not expect everyone to agree with me and I would hope they would not, but to search the scriptures for themselves asking the Holy Spirit teach them. Apart from the Holy Spirit man can teach us nothing.

I do come against many traditional teachings of man as their is a strong spirit of religion that I have battled against that lead me and others away from truth and sound doctrine of Christ as I use to believe everything that came from the pulpit even if I could not find in scripture what was being taught. Many things we will agree on and many things we will not and I am OK with that, but we all need to be teachable as even I make mistakes at times and God will always send someone to correct me if needed.

As far as Psalms 51 this chapter is about David's confession of his sin and asking forgiveness. He knew he transgressed against God wanting Bathsheba. In vs. 2 he is asking God to wash him from his iniquity and cleanse him of his sin. He acknowledges he is a sinner as this is why he says in vs. 5, 6 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Shapened in iniquity is speaking about all of us being born within the sin nature as David recognized it in him, but also wanting God to show him wisdom.

I believe Psalms 139:13-16 to be pretty much the same as Isaiah 44:2; Jeremiah 1:5 and Romans 8:29 as David said For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb as God already set apart His prophets before they were born. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made, but some are specifically set apart for God's purpose.

 

[iLOVE]

David said this about his new born child with Bathsheba, "But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me." 2 Samuel 12:23

Every single parent who has trusted Jesus Christ as his Saviour, upon the death of a tiny loved one, can say the same identical thing, because of the price paid at Calvary and the Resurrection.

JSM

 

[Ruth’s promise]

Hi Ruth's promise and welcome to CF

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Vs. 1 this physical body only dies once and after that we wait for judgment day to come.
Vs. 2 Because of God's grace and giving His only begotten Son Christ Jesus we need to accept Him as Lord and Savior before we physically die. If we reject Him then we will stand in God's judgement and our names will not be found in the lamb's book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire.

Enoch, Elijah and the rapture is another topic so I will not pursue that here.

Thank you for your response . I’m praying and persuing The Father for clarity .

 

[for_his_glory]

Please see my previous post on how I understand Psalm 51. The article I attached is very informative.

I bolded part of your last reply in the above quote. You seem to be saying, or at least I hear you hinting that some children are wicked prior to birth and continue through death. These children are destine to Hell.

Am I understanding you correctly?

I haven't had time to read that article yet, but will get to it. It's been a crazy day.

I believe this is what Psalms 51:5 and 58:3-5 are speaking of that some babies continue in that state of iniquity they were shapened in as the wicked are estranged from the womb and refuse wisely instruction/correction when they become aware of the surroundings. No one teaches a baby to be selfish, disobedient or greedy as those things come naturally through the sin nature to a baby when they start to become aware of their surroundings and start to interact with others around them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh so you don't believe that infants will go to Hell then? I guess this was all a complete misunderstanding then.

I can't judge who does or who doesn't as God is the judge of that. Even in infancy God knows the intent of the heart and who will answer His call to salvation.

 

[for_his_glory]

The age does not matter 1 month or 120 years .. We are saved by Grace.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Which of us has done enough for Salvation?

Yes, we are saved by God's grace, but not everyone will come to faith in Him.

 

[for_his_glory]

there not they are protected under the blood

Understanding sin is not required for being under the penalty of sin as I believe this is the true nature of children as per Psalms 51:5 and 58:3. All of us are born with a sin nature, even though we have not yet done anything wrong, but yet our nature is sinful thus needing a Savior. I also believe that a child is not covered by the blood of Jesus as this comes by God's salvation through His Son Christ Jesus. I also believe God will make the decision for an infant of already knowing this child will someday answer the call to salvation as God knows who are His own.

 

[ezra]

Understanding sin is not required for being under the penalty of sin as I believe this is the true nature of children as per Psalms 51:5 and 58:3. All of us are born with a sin nature, even though we have not yet done anything wrong, but yet our nature is sinful thus needing a Savior. I also believe that a child is not covered by the blood of Jesus as this comes by God's salvation through His Son Christ Jesus. I also believe God will make the decision for an infant of already knowing this child will someday answer the call to salvation as God knows who are His own.

you just keep on believing..next time a infant death happens in the community .be sure to say there is a good chance they are in hell your doctrine of babies going to hell is strange fire

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Our faith comes from God. it is not of our selves.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Question God all you want . I choose to trust His Grace.

Umm,.. I'm not questioning God. I was questioning you.

I can't judge who does or who doesn't as God is the judge of that. Even in infancy God knows the intent of the heart and who will answer His call to salvation.

At least that we can agree upon that much.

Understanding sin is not required for being under the penalty of sin as I believe this is the true nature of children as per Psalms 51:5 and 58:3. All of us are born with a sin nature, even though we have not yet done anything wrong, but yet our nature is sinful thus needing a Savior. I also believe that a child is not covered by the blood of Jesus as this comes by God's salvation through His Son Christ Jesus. I also believe God will make the decision for an infant of already knowing this child will someday answer the call to salvation as God knows who are His own.

You know I love you sis but I still don't see how somebody can be judged for a crime that they didn't commit. Especially an innocent little baby.

 

[for_his_glory]

StoveBolts

I have taken liberty in starting this thread, but God showed me this morning where it is becoming a stumbling block and I ask that this thread be closed as I do not want to be a stumbling block to others.

I will leave all of you with this that only God knows the heart even in infancy and only He alone can judge the heart.

Thank you and I thank all of you for your input. God bless all of you

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

StoveBolts

I have taken liberty in starting this thread, but God showed me this morning where it is becoming a stumbling block and I ask that this thread be closed as I do not want to be a stumbling block to others.

I will leave all of you with this that only God knows the heart even in infancy and only He alone can judge the heart.

Thank you and I thank all of you for your input. God bless all of you

God bless you too sis and the important thing is that we agree to disagree. A bunch of hugs and Christian love headed your way,... incoming!

 

[stovebolts]

The only way I can qualify what I teach is by how I study the scriptures apart from what man has always traditionally taught. I always pray first and ask the Holy Spirit to teach me. I am also opened for correction by others that are far more knowledgeable then I am and I take those corrections to the Holy Spirit as I test the spirits for truth or error.

I really do not expect everyone to agree with me and I would hope they would not, but to search the scriptures for themselves asking the Holy Spirit teach them. Apart from the Holy Spirit man can teach us nothing.

I do come against many traditional teachings of man as their is a strong spirit of religion that I have battled against that lead me and others away from truth and sound doctrine of Christ as I use to believe everything that came from the pulpit even if I could not find in scripture what was being taught. Many things we will agree on and many things we will not and I am OK with that, but we all need to be teachable as even I make mistakes at times and God will always send someone to correct me if needed.

As far as Psalms 51 this chapter is about David's confession of his sin and asking forgiveness. He knew he transgressed against God wanting Bathsheba. In vs. 2 he is asking God to wash him from his iniquity and cleanse him of his sin. He acknowledges he is a sinner as this is why he says in vs. 5, 6 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Shapened in iniquity is speaking about all of us being born within the sin nature as David recognized it in him, but also wanting God to show him wisdom.

I believe Psalms 139:13-16 to be pretty much the same as Isaiah 44:2; Jeremiah 1:5 and Romans 8:29 as David said For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb as God already set apart His prophets before they were born. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made, but some are specifically set apart for God's purpose.

There is nothing new under the sun, including how you view those passages and what you teach has been taught in many a pulpit.

StoveBolts

I have taken liberty in starting this thread, but God showed me this morning where it is becoming a stumbling block and I ask that this thread be closed as I do not want to be a stumbling block to others.

I will leave all of you with this that only God knows the heart even in infancy and only He alone can judge the heart.

Thank you and I thank all of you for your input. God bless all of you

Thank you. I will remove the thread.