- Sep 17, 2012
why would they c all you a mormon ?
who are you to say here comes a flogging ? i mean reallyOK, here comes your flogging
To start with you said a child that does not know right from wrong can not be held accountable. Can you explain then why all the firstborn males in Exodus 12:29 were killed? Only God knows the heart as this is why He loved Jacob, but hated Esau. For the rest about being a spirit being before we became flesh is what Mormons teach as it is not found in scripture.
I was teasing about the flogging as I put a laughing smiley face at the end of that sentence. I never called you a Mormon as I said the teaching on spirit beings is what Mormons teach, which is a false doctrine.Not a Mormon, just a child of God, I have no denomination.
Moses warned Pharaoh, Pharaoh would not let His people go.
Pharaoh cursed His own people, when he said that the first born of Moses people will die.
Regardless, the children that died would not be held accountable.
How did God know Esau's heart if he hadn't been born yet?
Rev.12:1-5 expands eons of time.
1st heaven and earth age:
Saw a woman in heaven and upon her head a crown of 12 stars, (mother Israel)
She being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ( birth of a new age)
Before she travailed she brought forth, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such
Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?
For as soon as Zion travailed she brought forth her children.
Back to Rev.12:1-5
And there appeared another wonder in heaven, a great red dragon, Satan.
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth, ( left their first estate, Jude 6)
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?.....
Whereupon are the foundations fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof,
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Back to Rev.12:1-5
And the Dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child, as soon as it was born.
She brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne (Jesus, crucified)
The flogging wasn't too bad, I have been called worst than a Mormon.
Are we talking about babies or kids that could understand about God?How did I rip the context of Hosea 4:6, 7 to shreds when it was God that said he would destroy those who would not keep His law and also forget their children. Sorry, but I don't see anything foolish or unlearned in those verses. How do we know the mind of God in all His righteous judgments.
Do you really think that a child from the time they are born and taught to reject God are truly going to go be with Him? This is only one of those unknown mysteries of God we can not fathom in His judgment. I would like to believe every baby that dies would go to be with the Lord, but I'm a student of reality and not of trying to rationalize God.
I'm talking about babies as from birth to 2 years are their informative years were they grow and start to recognize certain things shown to them like pictures and begin to relate to what is read to them or what they hear.Are we talking about babies or kids that could understand about God?
You said above that some kids are taught to reject God...that takes a certain age....
I knew you were teasing, so was I.I was teasing about the flogging as I put a laughing smiley face at the end of that sentence. I never called you a Mormon as I said the teaching on spirit beings is what Mormons teach, which is a false doctrine.
As far as three heavens I agree with that and do have the scriptures to support that, but three earth ages are only taught by Pastors Arnold and Dennis Murry from The Shepard's Chapel and are only theories never proven in scripture.
Rev 12:1-5 expands from the time of Jacob/Israel to the time of Christ return. The woman is symbolic of Israel and the congregation of Gods people as she wears a crown of twelve stars which represents the twelve tribes of Israel that have repented of their arrogance as they felt they deserved Gods favor, but yet kept killing the prophets God sent to them, including the very Messiah they were waiting for. This is when the times of the Gentiles began as God went to them to take Himself a people that were humbled enough to receive salvation as God had mercy on them, Matthew 23:37-39; Acts 15:14; Romans 11:25-27.
I think it's always dangerous to go beyond what scripture says.I'm talking about babies as from birth to 2 years are their informative years were they grow and start to recognize certain things shown to them like pictures and begin to relate to what is read to them or what they hear.
I relate this to the time of Pharaoh and how the children were trained to worship other gods even in infancy even up to today with all the occult's that are out there that teach their children paganism. This is where Hosea 4:6, 7 plays out.
So the children that get prayed over are saved and the others are not?wondering
I'm not going beyond what scripture says as I gave those scriptures in post #30 as I sort of lean towards these children being not of God. I could be wrong, but not sure that anyone can be certain.
I know what Jesus said in Matthew 19:13-15, but these children were brought to Jesus so He could lay hands on them and pray for them. It's like in some churches today where the baby is brought up before the congregation and dedicated to God as the Pastor lays hands on the child and prays over them and the congregation given the charge in helping the child to grow Spiritually in the Lord.
Actually it's birth to three years according to the Center for Educational Neuroscience, plus you can ask any doctor.birth to 2 years where did ya get that? at birth all a baby can do is cry make sounds even at one a two all they know is what they learned.. they have no concept of why it is wrong . you can teach a 4 year old to cuss but he has no idea that its wrong