An old question- Was Jesus God?

[for_his_glory]

This bantering will end now before further action is taken. When a question is asked by a member the other member needs to answer without asking why they have asked their question instead of assuming there are any ulterior motives involved.

No need to reply to this warning.

 

[Serving Zion]

Not sure what you mean by a Christian spirit

Seriously?

 

[Serving Zion]

Those two men that stood by them in white apparel were two angels sent by God as messengers to those who were standing gazing up into heaven.

What makes you assume so? That is not written in the scripture.

 

[JLB]

What makes you assume so? That is not written in the scripture.

Its written in scripture in many places if you have eyes to see.


The two “men” who were clothed in white apparel are the two angels that accompany the Lord wherever He goes and are seen in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament.


And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”
She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.” John 20:12-13


These are the two witnesses, that witnessed the resurrection of the Lord at the tomb.


Here they were with Him when He visited Abraham.


Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. Genesis 18:1-4




JLB

 

[Serving Zion]

Its written in scripture in many places if you have eyes to see.


The two “men” who were clothed in white apparel are the two angels that accompany the Lord wherever He goes and are seen in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament.


And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?”
She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.” John 20:12-13


These are the two witnesses, that witnessed the resurrection of the Lord at the tomb.


Here they were with Him when He visited Abraham.


Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day. So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing by him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, “My Lord, if I have now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant. Please let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree. Genesis 18:1-4




JLB

That's interesting, thank you for offering that information. It's the first I have heard of that idea and I will keep it in mind as I read, to determine whether it is reliable.

Did you have that information in mind when I was saying earlier that we know nothing about who the two men were? I am wondering why you didn't provide this information sooner as an answer as to my questions.

I still would like to hear how for_his_glory will answer.

 

[Serving Zion]

Yes.

Jesus will physically return and be seen.

Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:62

“Every eye” means just what it says.

Those in hell, those in heaven and those on earth will see Him.

JLB

Do you mean to say that according to your doctrine, the High Priest has not yet seen Jesus sitting on the right hand of the power and coming with the clouds of heaven?

 

[for_his_glory]

Seriously?

So you think you are above the warning I gave in post #241. I asked you a question and thought you would be adult enough to just answer it without questioning it.

 

[for_his_glory]

What makes you assume so? That is not written in the scripture.

I do not need to answer this as JLB has already answered this in his post #244 and I couldn't agree more.

Why would you think these two men in white raiment which represents angels be anything else other than angels sent by God to speak to these men. I would think they would have been dumbfounded in seeing such an event happen before their eyes and not understanding any of it.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes.

Jesus will physically return and be seen.

Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:62


“Every eye” means just what it says.

Those in hell, those in heaven and those on earth will see Him.



JLB

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[Serving Zion]

So you think you are above the warning I gave in post #241. I asked you a question and thought you would be adult enough to just answer it without questioning it.

Yes, I do really think you people are being insincere with such questions. How you can be a moderator of a Christian forum and not know what the Christian spirit is. So, please can you confirm, is that true? You are a moderator of a Christian forum, and you don't know what the Christian spirit is?

 

[Serving Zion]

I do not need to answer this as JLB has already answered this in his post #244 and I couldn't agree more.

Well, to be fair, and for the record, I did in fact ask that question before JLB gave an answer to it. I do not just assume that you would not like to answer the question I gave to you in your own way, hence I stated on the record that I am interested to know how you would answer the question. JLB's answer was interesting, and I did thank him for that. I have not yet accepted it into my knowledge of doctrine though, as I am still in a process of considering it.

Why would you think these two men in white raiment which represents angels be anything else other than angels sent by God to speak to these men. I would think they would have been dumbfounded in seeing such an event happen before their eyes and not understanding any of it.

I do not make such assumptions, and I have already provided scripture that says false prophets shall arise to deceive even the elect if it were possible. Anybody can wear white garments, and people say all sorts of things in the name of God. It does not mean that any person who wears white garments and says things about Jesus is necessarily speaking a prophecy for God.

I suppose it is just the fact that I need to test interpretations of prophecy before I believe them, so when I am presented with an expectation to believe a prophecy as JLB did in post #211, I immediately saw that he was making the assumption that is not explicit in the scripture, so I asked him to explain why he has confidence to make that assumption.

 

[JLB]

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Amen.

JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

That's interesting, thank you for offering that information. It's the first I have heard of that idea and I will keep it in mind as I read, to determine whether it is reliable.

Did you have that information in mind when I was saying earlier that we know nothing about who the two men were? I am wondering why you didn't provide this information sooner as an answer as to my questions.

I still would like to hear how for_his_glory will answer.

I figured since JLB posted what he did and I said I agreed with him that there was no need to repeat what He posted

 

[for_his_glory]

Yes, I do really think you people are being insincere with such questions. How you can be a moderator of a Christian forum and not know what the Christian spirit is. So, please can you confirm, is that true? You are a moderator of a Christian forum, and you don't know what the Christian spirit is?

I'm not going to second guess what you mean by the Christian spirit as I do not know your understanding of it and that is why I asked you what the Christian spirit is.

 

[for_his_glory]

Well, to be fair, and for the record, I did in fact ask that question before JLB gave an answer to it. I do not just assume that you would not like to answer the question I gave to you in your own way, hence I stated on the record that I am interested to know how you would answer the question. JLB's answer was interesting, and I did thank him for that. I have not yet accepted it into my knowledge of doctrine though, as I am still in a process of considering it.



I do not make such assumptions, and I have already provided scripture that says false prophets shall arise to deceive even the elect if it were possible. Anybody can wear white garments, and people say all sorts of things in the name of God. It does not mean that any person who wears white garments and says things about Jesus is necessarily speaking a prophecy for God.

I suppose it is just the fact that I need to test interpretations of prophecy before I believe them, so when I am presented with an expectation to believe a prophecy as JLB did in post #211, I immediately saw that he was making the assumption that is not explicit in the scripture, so I asked him to explain why he has confidence to make that assumption.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Backtrack to vs 1-9 as Jesus, now being in His glorified body, is speaking to His disciples as they are all gathered together. He tells them they will receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight.

As Jesus was taken up in the clouds the disciples stood there gazing, possibly being dumbfounded as they had no Spiritual knowledge yet as the Holy Spirit had not yet indwelled them. Two men wearing white garment would have to be angels as no man could speak what they did unless they were sent from God. Just as the angels came to the Prophets in the OT and spoke to them as God sent them, so the same here with the disciples.

 

[Serving Zion]

Two men wearing white garment would have to be angels as no man could speak what they did unless they were sent from God.

You think it is impossible that two men could simply be dressed in white and saying that unless they were sent by God? It doesn't make sense to me why you have made that assumption. Perhaps you can explain your reasoning a bit more. I can imagine it quite plausible that there were two men standing there dressed in white and that is what they said. But I also am aware of 2 Corinthians 11:14 that says Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.

St. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 to not despise prophecies, but to test all things and hold fast to the good.

 

[Serving Zion]

I'm not going to second guess what you mean by the Christian spirit as I do not know your understanding of it and that is why I asked you what the Christian spirit is.

Romans 8:9 says that the spirit of Christ is the spirit of God, and it says that anybody who does not have the spirit of God in them does not belong to Christ. That's what I am referring to when I speak of the Christian spirit: "Whatever you did to these, even the least of these, my brethren - you were doing it to me". It is Christ who does His works through me.

 

[for_his_glory]

You think it is impossible that two men could simply be dressed in white and saying that unless they were sent by God? It doesn't make sense to me why you have made that assumption. Perhaps you can explain your reasoning a bit more. I can imagine it quite plausible that there were two men standing there dressed in white and that is what they said. But I also am aware of 2 Corinthians 11:14 that says Satan himself disguises himself as an angel of light.

St. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 to not despise prophecies, but to test all things and hold fast to the good.

You do not believe that Acts 1:10, 11 is God's inspired word so there is no point in discussing it anymore than I and JLB already have.

 

[for_his_glory]

Romans 8:9 says that the spirit of Christ is the spirit of God, and it says that anybody who does not have the spirit of God in them does not belong to Christ. That's what I am referring to when I speak of the Christian spirit: "Whatever you did to these, even the least of these, my brethren - you were doing it to me". It is Christ who does His works through me.

Thank you for finally answering my question as we can both agree with this.

 

[for_his_glory]

We have totally derail this thread, even if it is an old one. I have nothing more to give to it for now as it's time for me to venture on.