An old question- Was Jesus God?

[billybalke]

Jesus himself can answer that for us..-
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

When Thomas saw Jesus after the resurrection Thomas said to Jesus: "--my Lord and my God", Jn.,20:28.

TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEW AND CALVINIST.

 

[Selah]

No, I'm only of the opinion that some people's interpretations are wrong, just as they think my interpretations are wrong..
Here's another verse where Jesus makes it crystal clear that he and God are separate entities (my underlining)-
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free" (Luke 8:14)

There are wrong opinions.

 

[LovethroughDove]

No, Jesus was not a half breed. Half divine , half human.

I know this was not to me, but my view of him is also half human/half divine. I only view it this way because of the DNA part. Obviously he is divine because he was begotten of the Holy Spirit. I believe Mary's egg was used. People can go too far either way. Either people will see him too divine that they don't realize he did come in the flesh.........and that will lead then into a antichrist situation. 1 John 4:2. Or, people only see the human and that will lead to an antichrist situation.....they won't see that he is absolutely divine (the Christ)

 

[chessman]

all I know is that Jesus said- "Father you loved me before the creation of the world" (John 17:24)
so even back then God and Jesus were two separate entities and that's good enough for me..

The passage doesn’t say God and Jesus were two separate entities.

What it proves is that The Father loved The Son before creation.

The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free" (Luke 8:14)

Third time you’ve missed citing the correct verse. That’s not Luke 8:14. It’s 4:18 and here’s what it says. It’s a partial quote from Isaiah about ... you guessed it... “GOD”

And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him, and unrolling the scroll he found the place where it was written, ​

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because of which he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind, to send out in freedom those who are oppressed, to proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”​

Luke 4:17-19 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Luke 4:17-19&version=LEB

...to proclaim the year of Yahweh’s favor, and our God’s day of vengeance, to comfort all those in mourning,​

Isaiah 61:2 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Isaiah 61:2&version=LEB

 

[Poor Old Spike]

There are wrong opinions.

Right, when Jesus said "Father take this cup from me", my opinion is that he was speaking to God.
Or was he speaking to himself?

 

[LovethroughDove]

Right, when Jesus said "Father take this cup from me", my opinion is that he was speaking to God.
Or was he speaking to himself?

Question. Can you see that maybe there is a chain of command in God? That Jesus could be God and the same time he is the Son also.

 

[Selah]

I know this was not to me, but my view of him is also half human/half divine. I only view it this way because of the DNA part. Obviously he is divine because he was begotten of the Holy Spirit. I believe Mary's egg was used. People can go too far either way. Either people will see him too divine that they don't realize he did come in the flesh.........and that will lead then into a antichrist situation. 1 John 4:2. Or, people only see the human and that will lead to an antichrist situation.....they won't see that he is absolutely divine (the Christ)

Does the scripture support the belief? That is key in this type discussion I think.
Jesus was begotten through Mary. Not made through Mary.
48:15 I, I have spoken – yes, I have summoned him;I lead him and he will succeed.

After considering the son of God, as Jesus is also referred in scripture, maybe consider the statement, the sum of God.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Does the scripture support the belief? That is key in this type discussion I think.
Jesus was begotten through Mary. Not made through Mary.
48:15 I, I have spoken – yes, I have summoned him;I lead him and he will succeed.

I do believe so. He is referenced as the Son of Man and also the Son of God. I personally think he could not be referenced as the Son of Man if this isn't the case.

 

[Razeontherock]

The word Jehovah or Yahweh simply translates as "I am", so you see why some cults mistakenly think it's God's name..

Yes it is translated as God's Name. So when Jesus said it He was referring to Himself as God. This is universally known in Christianity, so it's puzzling that you choose to refer to Christianity as a cult.

 

[Razeontherock]

Never heard of it, all I know is that Jesus said- "Father you loved me before the creation of the world" (John 17:24)
so even back then God and Jesus were two separate entities and that's good enough for me..

I see why you chose your new avatar

 

[chessman]

I know this was not to me, but my view of him is also half human/half divine. I only view it this way because of the DNA part.

Try living with 1/2 your DNA. Not even offspring have 1/2 their father’s and 1/2 their mother’s DNA. They have 100% of their mother’s mitochondrial DNA and 100% of their father’s yDNA.

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cling to his wife, and they shall be as one flesh.​

Genesis 2:24 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Genesis 2:24&version=LEB

Scientifically speaking (and Biblically with the one exception of Jesus) it takes 100% of the yDNA and 100% of the mitDNA to produce “one” offspring, not 1/2 plus 1/2.

 

[JohnDB]

Shutting down this thread for Moderator review.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Check your monitor settings mate, I suspect my earlier post where I listed all the times Jesus said he wasn't God isn't displaying on your monitor..
PS- some members seem to be dodging my questions, for example when Jesus said-
"..you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” (Mark 14:61)
I asked how could he possibly sit at God's right hand if he himself was God?..

Jesus never said He wasn't God. You are simply coming to that conclusion (that Jesus isn't God) on your own. Nothing you've posted supports your claim.

Jesus the man is fully God and fully man. He can sit at the right hand of the Father because Jesus isn't the Father. He's our man in heaven. To deny the divinity of Jesus is to deny the Trinity is to deny orthodoxy.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Human Mary had something to do with it too, so we could say Jesus was half-God, half-human..

Except that saying such is 100% incorrect.

 

[Papa Zoom]

Jesus himself can answer that for us..-
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)

This verse does nothing to support your claim. Never read a Bible verse. Scripture interprets Scripture. Isolating a verse and making a universal claim from that verse is bad hermeneutics. Jesus is not claiming NOT to be God here. You have not made an adequate case here (you haven't made one at all actually)

 

[Papa Zoom]

sorry JohnDB I just saw that this was closed. I think it should remain such. Both sides have had their say in the matter and repeating the same thing over and over is unproductive.

 

[JohnDB]

This thread is now opened.
Let's continue to keep things civilized and respectful.

 

[JLB]

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11


Paul is quoting Isaiah.


It glorifies God the Father, that we bow to our Lord Jesus and confess Him as Lord YHWH.


Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath.
Isaiah 45:22-23




JLB

 

[JohnDB]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory,the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Apparently John thought that Jesus is God.

 

[JohnDB]

I have to say...
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread.
I am made to think about the scriptures that point to Jesus being deity... and all the ways Jesus said He was God.

Been a while since I've had to do that.

And for this I have to thank Poor Old Spike for starting this thread. Not that we were ever going to change our minds about Jesus...but a chance to review what we know and to keep it fresh on our minds is priceless.