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Are you married? To how many and did you divorce them or deo you think you, just, blew them off? It is assumed, today, that there is no God, only gods. Others proclaime, “God is dead,” as if the Creator God were some form of super empowered finite human being that arrived at the of his course ad has been disposed of six foot undeer.





The above and a number of other reasons that have sprung forth from the imaginations of v write some of the stupidest proclamations. The worst but logical and sane invention man has ever succeeded with is the Back Seat. Because of Drive-In Movies and the Back Seat of the modern day mode of travel and the Intentional Ignorance of the Scriptures many are the young men and young ladies that have Scripturally married and without any decree, divorced.





Our Elohim, YHWH, does not require the smashing of glasses, a preacher nor State Licenced Official for the Covenant of Marriage to be complete. In the early chapters of Genesis we find YHWH bringing Eve to Adam and they coupled, a nice word to describe, they made Whoopi and they were, in the eyes of YHWH, Married!





Then, later in the book of Genesis, we find Isaac, the son of Sarah and Abraham reach the age of reproduction and when Abraham’s Servant arrives with her she is moved into the still erected tent of Sarah, Isaac goe into her and after they couple they are man and wife. I am not at all certain YHWH is impressed with pieces of paper signed by Preachers, Pastors, Judges and or Justices of the Peace. From my studies of the Scriptures of the Jewish/Christian Bible I do understand that when a male and a female human join with one another, YHWH sees a life long commitment.





It is a subject worthy of our study and is further worthy of teaching to and for the benefit of our Youth Population… even those in our house!
 

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Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you.
 
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I have been married to my one and only wife for 39 years.
We consider our marriage to have begun when our pastor facilitated us through a pretty typical ceremony witnessed by family and friends.
We did get a license which given the practical aspects of a couple in modern society as far as legalities and financial things I didn't and don't have a big issue with.
I don't mind that we are "registered" as a married couple with the state.
So far in our 39 years I can't recall anything happening that made me wish it wasn't part of the landscape of life in our day.
 

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And, perhaps, depending on where your Religion is founded, important. However it is irrelevant to the topic posted. The topic posted, left unrepentant can be, not is, a matter of eternal damnation and is a matter between you and our Triune Elohim and none other.

My posting the subject might have scratched a long festering sore spot and all I am given to do is attempt to assist any man, woman and/or child move closer to the Supreme Being by helping them to see the example set for us to strive toward in the final 27 books and letters of the Bible.

Your, individual reaction to messages I am given by Ruach to teach, I am not given to judge beyond their being green, ripe or rotten.
 

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Are you married? To how many and did you divorce them or deo you think you, just, blew them off? It is assumed, today, that there is no God, only gods. Others proclaime, “God is dead,” as if the Creator God were some form of super empowered finite human being that arrived at the of his course ad has been disposed of six foot undeer.





The above and a number of other reasons that have sprung forth from the imaginations of v write some of the stupidest proclamations. The worst but logical and sane invention man has ever succeeded with is the Back Seat. Because of Drive-In Movies and the Back Seat of the modern day mode of travel and the Intentional Ignorance of the Scriptures many are the young men and young ladies that have Scripturally married and without any decree, divorced.





Our Elohim, YHWH, does not require the smashing of glasses, a preacher nor State Licenced Official for the Covenant of Marriage to be complete. In the early chapters of Genesis we find YHWH bringing Eve to Adam and they coupled, a nice word to describe, they made Whoopi and they were, in the eyes of YHWH, Married!





Then, later in the book of Genesis, we find Isaac, the son of Sarah and Abraham reach the age of reproduction and when Abraham’s Servant arrives with her she is moved into the still erected tent of Sarah, Isaac goe into her and after they couple they are man and wife. I am not at all certain YHWH is impressed with pieces of paper signed by Preachers, Pastors, Judges and or Justices of the Peace. From my studies of the Scriptures of the Jewish/Christian Bible I do understand that when a male and a female human join with one another, YHWH sees a life long commitment.





It is a subject worthy of our study and is further worthy of teaching to and for the benefit of our Youth Population… even those in our house!
I agree, many have married and divorced many times without realizing it.

While were on the topic, how does the story of Tamar and Judah fit into what you have written? Do you understand that as an act of marriage and divorce as well?
 

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I have been married twice before and divorced twice on the grounds of mental and physical abuse I took from both husbands. I was not looking to get married a third time, but God had the right man at the right time and it was He that joined us together and we have been happily married for 21 years now. This doesn't mean we have not had some problems, but through Christ being the center of our union we work them out and never go to bed angry. As far as a marriage license, like someone else said, it is for legal purposes only as what God joins together let no man put asunder or in other words, tear apart.

Gods' grand design was for man to take care of the earth and have dominion over all living things. God did not want man to be alone so He created a helpmate and she was called woman. The two were to multiply and replenish the earth with more helpers to till the land and help take care of Gods creation, Genesis 1, 2.

Gods will for woman was to be a helpmate to the man in every way, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, socially and physically. She was also created to bare the generations to come. A woman was not greater or less than the man, but was his equal.

There is no place in the Bible that constitutes having to have a marriage license. Man incorporated this into the law. In the Hebrew tradition a mohar or dowry was paid to the father of the bride by the groom in exchange for the daughter, Exodus 22:17. Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. Ephesians 5:22-29 wives are to submit to their husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the spiritual head of the wife. Man is the provider and protector of his family. Husbands, you are to love your wives like Christ loves his church. This is an unconditional love that looks on the inside of a person and not the adorning of the outside. It is a love with a pure heart.

This submission also carries over to the bed that neither should deprive one another unless it is a mutual consent, 1 Corinthians 7:5 the principles for the married believer are explained in 1 Corinthians 7:10-16. As long as there is love and faithfulness the two should never depart from each other nor stray away for lust of the flesh.

Does God permit divorce; no he does not for what God has joined together as one flesh let no man separate it, Matthew 19:6. God joined man and woman together before sin entered into the hearts of man and woman, Genesis 2:18. When woman was deceived by the serpent in Genesis 3:1-13 and gave the man to eat of the fruit, man forgot what God told them not to do and they both tried to hide from God, but God knew what they had done and now was sin entered into the hearts of man and woman. This is why we are all now born with a sin nature because of the fall of man. Sin soon was found where no truth of God could be found. Mans hearts were now filled with the lust of the eyes and lust of the heart. Man sought after his own pleasures and soon made gods of their own to worship and bow down to. These gods were a way for man to justify their own pleasures.

Even with the laws God gave to Moses for the people, mans sin hardened hearts now turned to fornication, lust of self and covertness of others property including another mans wife. New laws were added continuously for the transgressions of man and this is how we got the law for divorce which was handed down by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4.

1 Corinthians 7:10, Jesus commands the woman not to leave her husband and if she does she should remain unmarried, but in Malachi 2:10-16 the treachery that man commits against a woman which leads him to have an affair outside of the marriage or abuses the wife whether it be physical or emotional gives place to what was said by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 that if a woman is no longer pleasing to her husband then the husband should give his wife a written bill of divorcement and send her out of the house and this gives the woman the right to marry again, but she can never go back to her former husband if that marriage does not work out or her husband dies for now she is defiled to be with her first husband and this is an abomination to God.
 

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Our Elohim, YHWH, does not require the smashing of glasses, a preacher nor State Licenced Official for the Covenant of Marriage to be complete. In the early chapters of Genesis we find YHWH bringing Eve to Adam and they coupled, a nice word to describe, they made Whoopi and they were, in the eyes of YHWH, Married!

Then, later in the book of Genesis, we find Isaac, the son of Sarah and Abraham reach the age of reproduction and when Abraham’s Servant arrives with her she is moved into the still erected tent of Sarah, Isaac goe into her and after they couple they are man and wife. I am not at all certain YHWH is impressed with pieces of paper signed by Preachers, Pastors, Judges and or Justices of the Peace. From my studies of the Scriptures of the Jewish/Christian Bible I do understand that when a male and a female human join with one another, YHWH sees a life long commitment.

It is a subject worthy of our study and is further worthy of teaching to and for the benefit of our Youth Population… even those in our house!
OT marriage was not a case of two people moving in together. The fathers consent had to be obtained, a dowry was paid. Given what a momentousoccassion marriage is I strongly suspect that it would have been celebrated with a feast.

There would have been no paper work, but the legalities/social customs would have been followed and everyone would know that 'X's son' was married to 'h's Daughter'.

The difference with today is that social mobility means know one knows whether a person is married to one, or living with two people as no one realy knows there neighbours.
 

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OT marriage was not a case of two people moving in together. The fathers consent had to be obtained, a dowry was paid. Given what a momentousoccassion marriage is I strongly suspect that it would have been celebrated with a feast.

There would have been no paper work, but the legalities/social customs would have been followed and everyone would know that 'X's son' was married to 'h's Daughter'.

The difference with today is that social mobility means know one knows whether a person is married to one, or living with two people as no one realy knows there neighbours.
The mohar was a Jewish custom only designated by man as the man had to ask permission of the girls father in order to be married. This only came to be during the time of Moses as before that the bond of marriage was two who were united as one in the eyes of God like Adam and Eve. Before the time of Moses the eldest son would choose a husband for his sister and had to be from their own clan.

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Exodus 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife. 17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
 

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I agree, many have married and divorced many times without realizing it.

While were on the topic, how does the story of Tamar and Judah fit into what you have written? Do you understand that as an act of marriage and divorce as s fwell?
She, by instruction from YHWH was due a male child from the linage she married into from one of the younger brothers. Though Judah was a generation older and a sinner by nature, just as the rest of us both of them sinned and though all wrong, I do see Judah taking on a wife the age of a daughter. It is a practice that has lived through this day.
 

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OT marriage was not a case of two people moving in together. The fathers consent had to be obtained, a dowry was paid. Given what a momentousoccassion marriage is I strongly suspect that it would have been celebrated with a feast.

There would have been no paper work, but the legalities/social customs would have been followed and everyone would know that 'X's son' was married to 'h's Daughter'.an

The difference with today is that social mobility means know one knows whether a person is married to one, or living with two people as no one realy knows there neighbours.
We can worm our way out of the dirt if we wiggle hard enough but the Sparrow is perched on that low branch waiting to feast. I pray you can understand the metaphor.
 

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She, by instruction from YHWH was due a male child from the linage she married into from one of the younger brothers. Though Judah was a generation older and a sinner by nature, just as the rest of us both of them sinned and though all wrong, I do see Judah taking on a wife the age of a daughter. It is a practice that has lived through this day.
I mostly agree.
We see that Tamar was within her biblical right to seek a child from Judah, and when Judah found she was pregnant ( with twins whom David descends), Judah sought to have her killed. However, when he finds they are his children, he repents as he proclaims that Tamar is right.

This is not to say neither were sinless. But Tamar was within her biblical right for a child and marriage to which Judah was denying her.
 
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So did God consider Lot and his daughters to be married?

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Jesus met the woman at the well and told her the man she is with now is not her husband. I assume she is sleeping with that man.
 
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Seems Joseph and Mary were married long before having sex.

Matthew 1:
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
 

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So did God consider Lot and his daughters to be married?

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Jesus met the woman at the well and told her the man she is with now is not her husband. I assume she is sleeping with that man.
I think he is referring to how God designed sex between a man and a woman back in the garden which is within the context of marriage and procreation.

Speaking of Lot and his daughters, consider this. Noah was alive when Lot was a kid. No doubt he and Abram heard the account of the flood first hand from Noah. Imagine for a moment God destroys an entire city and only three people are left. I don't believe it's a stretch to think Lots daughters believed they were the last three people on earth. Just as 8 people populated the earth, why not 3? After all, Lot did offer his daughters to the mob.

When we look at Tamar, the situation wasn't ideal, but similar to Lots daughters, it was for procreation, not pleasure or monetary gain.
 

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So did God consider Lot and his daughters to be married?

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Jesus met the woman at the well and told her the man she is with now is not her husband. I assume she is sleeping with that man.
I suspect (My Opinion, not as per Scripture) they were
not the first and from Life Experience, they were not the last... yes!
 

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Seems Joseph and Mary were married long before having sex.

Matthew 1:
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
Just a question, a rhetorical question, "Why the more vulgar sounding use of had sex instead of a kinder sounding statement such as they came together?" Please think and let's not offend the gentler and younger Christians that may or may not read these forums and remember, the question is Rhetorical... for your head alone and not for further Public Discourse.
 

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I think he is referring to how God designed sex between a man and a woman back in the garden which is within the context of marriage and procreation.

Speaking of Lot and his daughters, consider this. Noah was alive when Lot was a kid. No doubt he and Abram heard the account of the flood first hand from Noah. Imagine for a moment God destroys an entire city and only three people are left. I don't believe it's a stretch to think Lots daughters believed they were the last three people on earth. Just as 8 people populated the earth, why not 3? After all, Lot did offer his daughters to the mob.

When we look at Tamar, the situation wasn't ideal, but similar to Lots daughters, it was for procreation, not pleasure or monetary gain.
Well studied and well thought through.
 

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What it comes down to and always has been is morality and separation from God's grand design of God's union of a man and a woman in the beginning.
 
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Just a question, a rhetorical question, "Why the more vulgar sounding use of had sex instead of a kinder sounding statement such as they came together?" Please think and let's not offend the gentler and younger Christians that may or may not read these forums and remember, the question is Rhetorical... for your head alone and not for further Public Discourse.
The "vulgar" word was used by at least one other. Did you mean to write them a post about it too but forgot?
 

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I been single for so many years I finally decided to tell someone from the female species that she looks beautiful like a angel. Why not. She is beautiful inside and out. Females like compliments.
 
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