as a witness against them

[Shekinahglory]

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​ ​ Deuteronomy 32 ​ FHG, this song is to be a witness against apostate Israel but it cannot be the indictment until she commits the crime and the court is in session As you will notice there are two rocks spoken of in this indictment one the capital R is clearly the Lord Jesus. The rock with lowercase r is the anti-Christ. This song is to be sung when the ancient of Days takes His place in court. Apostate Israel has not taken the small r rock because he is yet to come and so the court has not been in session. This is the second half of the witness against them I will place the other half on in a few days.. Par ▾ Deu. 32 23“I will heap calamities on them and spend my arrows against them. 24I will send wasting famine against them, consuming pestilence and deadly plague; I will send against them the fangs of wild beasts, the venom of vipers that glide in the dust. This will be during the time of the end. The Lord’s arrows famine, pestilence, plague and a host of animal born attacks. The time of the end when many teach all Israel turns to the Lord and that clearly does not happen. There are two Israel's in Israel. One Israel is Jewish in the flesh only and the other portion is Jewish in the flesh and the circumcision of their heart. The portion only jewish in the flesh will be those deceived by anti-Christ and completely wiped out by him. The other portion of Jews who have been born in the flesh and reborn through the heart circumcision are the faithful remnant. 25In the street the sword will make them childless; in their homes terror will reign. The young men and young women will perish, the infants and those with gray hair. 26I said I would scatter them and erase their name from human memory, 27but I dreaded the taunt of the enemy, lest the adversary misunderstand and say, ‘Our hand has triumphed; the Lord has not done all this.’ ” 28They are a nation without sense, It is surprising to many how the Lord has put off judging apostate Israel until such a time that everyone will know that He has done this to them. All the times Israel deserved to be judged did not happen because the powers of darkness would think that they destroyed Israel and not God. This is why the Lord placed the mark, as He did on Cain, that no one should kill either of them until the Lord does it. there is no discernment in them. 29If only they were wise and would understand this and discern what their end will be! They are a nation without any kind of understanding to what is taking place. Besides all the other things taking place the sword is killing everyone old or young, male or female. This is going to be unlike anything in their history the Lord is going to erase their name from human memory. Can anyone claim this has taken place? The Lord did not want to destroy her until it would be crystal clear that it was at His hands. 30How could one man chase a thousand, or two put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, unless the Lord had given them up? We are told in Zechariah 11 that the Lord had two shepherd staffs one of which we are seeing in this verse. The staff of Favor was broken and with it went the silent invisible protection He has placed on Israel all her years. Here we see the difference between the IDF pre-end times and post- end times. The IDF which has so powerfully fought against Israel's enemies has now had the hedge of protection removed and instead of being the vaunted military machine everyone expects she has become a loser even when having overwhelming odds in her favor. Their rock is anti-Christ and the Rock is Christ. We are told in Zechariah 11 that the Lord had two shepherd staffs one of which we are seeing in this verse. The staff of Favor was broken and with it went the silent invisible protection He has placed on Israel all her years. Here we see the difference between the IDF pre-end times and post- end times. The IDF which has so powerfully fought against Israel's enemies has now had the hedge of protection removed and instead of being the vaunted military machine everyone expects she has become a loser even when having overwhelming odds in her favor. 31For their rock is not like our Rock, as even our enemies concede. 32Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness. 33Their wine is the venom of serpents, the deadly poison of cobras. Their rock is anti-Christ and the Rock is Christ. The people who make up apostate Israel we are told that spiritually their vine is no different from Sodom and Gomorrah. This spiritual condition is continued in the Revelation where she is shown spiritually to be Sodom, Egypt and finally mystery Babylon.In this contdition it is not surprising to see her linked to the serpent. 34“Have I not kept this in reserve and sealed it in my vaults? 35It is mine to avenge; I will repay. In due time their foot will slip; their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them.” 36The Lord will vindicate his people and relent concerning his servants when he sees their strength is gone and no one is left, slave or free. The prophecy has always been it just has been hidden from man’s sight until the time for it to be made known. The time has come to avenge it it will be the Lord who does so. The Lord is always patient, except when saving us prodigals, but the foot not on the Rock will fall. When apostate Israel loses her strength the remnant will be vindicated. All will know that Her God was and is the God. 37He will say: “Now where are their gods, the rock they took refuge in, 38the gods who ate the fat of their sacrifices and drank the wine of their drink offerings? Let them rise up to help you! Let them give you shelter! The Lord taunts them by taunting those they trusted in as gods. Where is this rock you sought to shield you from me? Gods the apostate Jews who they sacrified too and worshipped. Don’t they owe it to you to rise up and defend you? 39“See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand. The Lord God Almighty Jesus the Christ of God. 40I lift my hand to heaven and solemnly swear: As surely as I live forever, This is the Lord swearing by Himself which clearly shows He is God. There is no other god I alone am God. The Lord alone takes lives and gives life. His hand cannot be open and we who He holds are as safe as anyone can be. 41when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. 42I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders.” The sword that had previously blocked the way into the Tree of Life. Fire in different forms is usually symbolic of God’s judgment. Here is why we do not have to war against flesh and blood the Lord is responsible to end it. This call for so much blood is speaking about the blood that goes 1,600 stadia, the approximate size north to south of Israel.

 

[for_his_glory]

Shekinahglory

Deuteronomy 32 was before Israel entered the promised land as they had not went over the Jordon yet. The song of Moses is what Moses is speaking to the people of that day he spoke to Israel about God's judgement on those of Israel leaving the Rock of their salvation that brought them out of Egypt going after another rock (false gods/antichrist gods, not the son of perdition that will come in the end of days) and sacrificing unto them. Even when Moses came down from the mount of Sinai after God gave him the commandments the people had already went after strange gods as they returned back to Baal worship even before entering the promised land.

When we read Rev 7:1-8 these servants are the generational 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, except for the tribe of Dan and Ephraim as they fell to idol worship and allowed God to be removed from them, Judges 18:30; 1 Kings12:25-33; Hosea 5:9, 11;Psalms 78:9-17, 65-67. To keep it twelve tribes since Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned in vs. 4-8 the tribe of Joseph appears twice, once under his own name and once under the name of his son Issachar/Manasseh. Judah is mentioned first as Messiah was to come from the lineage of David.

The rock was a type of antichrist as being other gods as there are many antichrist, but nowhere does this chapter speak of the last antichrist being the son of perdition/false Christ or where he comes from, 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Not all of Israel are Jews, but Jews and Gentiles that make up the body of Christ. This is hat is meant by "they went out from us, but they were not of us". The last antichrist/false prophet/son of perdition comes from a Gentile nation when you understand the prophecy Daniel gave in Daniel chapter 7.

Israel has always had wars with their enemy. A good example was the Roman invasion in 70AD where over one million Jews were killed and Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times because they were not obedient to God. Even today they are at war against the Gentile nations as many Jews are being killed in Israel.

 

[ezrider]

Revelation 15:1-3
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 

[ezrider]

Israel has always had wars with their enemy. A good example was the Roman invasion in 70AD where over one million Jews were killed and Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed. During its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, attacked 52 times, and captured and recaptured 44 times because they were not obedient to God. Even today they are at war against the Gentile nations as many Jews are being killed in Israel.

I have seen you post this a number of time in different thread recently. That would imply that you see some significance with it.

Jerusalem has been destroyed twice. Yes, but I wonder if you understand that it was the Lord's judgement against Jerusalem that brought about the destruction.

 

[ezrider]

This song is to be sung when the ancient of Days takes His place in court. Apostate Israel has not taken the small r rock because he is yet to come and so the court has not been in session. This is the second half of the witness against them I will place the other half on in a few days..

Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?

Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?

 

[Shekinahglory]

Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?

Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?

whether Jew or Gentile there have always been both believers and unbelievers.i starlight throughout the Old Testament always had a portion who believed, Hebrews 11 has a nice listing, There always was the portion who rejected the Lord. In 1948 The Aliyah

Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?

Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?

began that is The Return to the Land of Israel.
‘I believe that the millions of Jewish people living in Gentile countries will return to the Land of Israel. Those people will have both believers in Christ and those who reject Him, the apostate portion. There are those who don’t believe there are two judgments coming. The first will be with Israel. Begins with anti-Christ coming and 7 years later the Lord comes defeating anti-Christ, the False prophet and their armies. Scripture teaches Judgment first to the Jew (Is. 1: 25-26) 1st to then to the Gentile and Salvation first to the Jew then to the Gentile. On the Day of the Lord He returns to the mount of Olives opening the escape for the remnant, Salvation first to the Jew is fulfilled with their being plucked from the fire of hell.

One thousand years after Israel is judged for her apostate portion and her remnant saved it is time for the Gentiles to be deceived by Satan and her unbelieving majority will be destroyed having accepted Satan and out of her will be a remnant of believers so it will fulfill the second half of the prophecy first to the Jew then to the Gentile

 

[Shekinahglory]

Revelation 15:1-3
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

After the Lord’s and victory of the Lamb

 

[for_his_glory]

I have seen you post this a number of time in different thread recently. That would imply that you see some significance with it.

Jerusalem has been destroyed twice. Yes, but I wonder if you understand that it was the Lord's judgement against Jerusalem that brought about the destruction.

There is significance of posting this even in other threads as being relevant as it shows Israels defiance of God and His judgment against them. They are Israel, but not all are of God. Dan and Ephraim are great examples of that as God has completely shut them off.

 

[Shekinahglory]

There is significance of posting this even in other threads as being relevant as it shows Israels defiance of God and His judgment against them. They are Israel, but not all are of God. Dan and Ephraim are great examples of that as God has completely shut them off.

Hosea 1:9 introduces us to Lo-Ammi or “Not my people.” This has not changed as the apostate portion those who have not been circumcised in their hearts, born again as the Lord showed Nicodemus Was an absolute requirement. This apostate portion is who are not fractured into End Times teachings and they are key to unwrapping what is taking place.

what do you think the chances of anti-christ coming out of Dan? Can’t recall the passage that says something about the star of your god dan.

 

[for_his_glory]

what do you think the chances of anti-christ coming out of Dan? Can’t recall the passage that says something about the star of your god dan.

Our indifference is that I don't believe antichrist/false prophet/ son of perdition will come out of Israel being a Jew, but through that of the last of the four empires. I do know he will take his seat in Jerusalem as he deceived the nations.

 

[Shekinahglory]

Our indifference is that I don't believe antichrist/false prophet/ son of perdition will come out of Israel being a Jew, but through that of the last of the four empires. I do know he will take his seat in Jerusalem as he deceived the nations.

What is your interpretation of Ez. 28: 9-10. He is told that he will die the death of the uncircumcised which would not matter we’re he not a member of the circumcision.

i want to make sure I am understanding you. You would if alive then believe a Messiah who did not fulfill the Biblical demands Messiah must fill. Any other prophecies he would not have to fulfill? Thanks

 

[for_his_glory]

What is your interpretation of Ez. 28: 9-10. He is told that he will die the death of the uncircumcised which would not matter we’re he not a member of the circumcision.

The prince of Tyre was not a Jew.

Ezekiel Chapter 28:1-19 is about the fall of the Prince of Tyrus and God's judgement on him. A little history first. Tyrus was a port in Phoenicia, now modern day Lebanon. One of the main cities along the Mediterranean, north of Israel being part of the five Phoenician States. Ithobaal III was the prince/king of Tyre. In 332BC after Alexander the Great conquered Tyre the city alternated between Seleucid (Syrian Greek) and Ptolemaic (Egyptian Greek) rule. Phoenicia came under the rule of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.

God gave the words to Ezekiel to speak against the Prine of Tyrus telling him he is so arrogant that he believes he is a god and the city of Tyre is his throne. Even though you claim to be a god you are only a mere human. You think you're wiser than Daniel and know everything. Your wisdom has made you rich as you are a clever business and extremely wealthy, but your wealth has led you to your arrogance.

You compared yourself to a god so now I, the Lord God, will make you the victim of your enemies. They will destroy all you own and will brutally kill you and the sea will be your only grave. When you face your enemies, will you still claim to be a god? They will attack you and you will suffer like any other human. Foreigners will kill you, and you will die the deaths of those who do not worship me.

Foreigners, meaning uncircumcised, undgodly, pagan idolaters, barbarians, Gentile nation.

i want to make sure I am understanding you. You would if alive then believe a Messiah who did not fulfill the Biblical demands Messiah must fill. Any other prophecies he would not have to fulfill? Thanks

I'm confused by what you are saying here. Could you explain it in a better way? thanks.

 

[Shekinahglory]

The prince of Tyre was not a Jew.

Ezekiel Chapter 28:1-19 is about the fall of the Prince of Tyrus and God's judgement on him. A little history first. Tyrus was a port in Phoenicia, now modern day Lebanon. One of the main cities along the Mediterranean, north of Israel being part of the five Phoenician States. Ithobaal III was the prince/king of Tyre. In 332BC after Alexander the Great conquered Tyre the city alternated between Seleucid (Syrian Greek) and Ptolemaic (Egyptian Greek) rule. Phoenicia came under the rule of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.

God gave the words to Ezekiel to speak against the Prine of Tyrus telling him he is so arrogant that he believes he is a god and the city of Tyre is his throne. Even though you claim to be a god you are only a mere human. You think you're wiser than Daniel and know everything. Your wisdom has made you rich as you are a clever business and extremely wealthy, but your wealth has led you to your arrogance.

You compared yourself to a god so now I, the Lord God, will make you the victim of your enemies. They will destroy all you own and will brutally kill you and the sea will be your only grave. When you face your enemies, will you still claim to be a god? They will attack you and you will suffer like any other human. Foreigners will kill you, and you will die the deaths of those who do not worship me.

Foreigners, meaning uncircumcised, undgodly, pagan idolaters, barbarians, Gentile nation.





I'm confused by what you are saying here. Could you explain it in a better way? thanks.

the Lord uses all types of people to illustrate spiritual lessons. the passage makes it clear that this King of Tyre is not. Gentile like those who are going to kill him. But you are missing the larger point that this being was in the Garden of Eden. The passage describes him as being dressed in the same manner as the High Priest but three of the stones representing the 12 tribes are missing just as three heads are missing in Zec. 11 and the Revelation.this is where we get the answer to when he ‘was, is not now, and will be again. He was in the Garden, he is not in the world now the Abyss, and will be again when he comes as the Jewish Messiah.

sorry I wasn’t clear. Here I try again. If you lived in the time spoken of when antichrist-Christ comes as Messiah how would you tell he was the Messiah. You never met him before. He doesn’t have any ID. How would you know Him? Same way the religious leaders tried to disprove Christ was who He claim. Messiah was not supposed to come from Nazareth. No Elijah preparing his way. What would the Jewish leaders have done if the Lord was born in what would become Europe? Yet that is exactly is taking place when the claim is anti-Christ is not a Jew. When the Lord spoke of Himself and anti-Christ He spoke of how they were “Allos” and not “Heteros.” This had nothing to do with sex. The Lord declared anti-Christ and He were Allos the same and not Heteros different.How they are the same will anti-christ will be all the things the Bible establishes for those who have never met the Messiah can identify him. I am just trying to understand your position. Thanks

 

[JLB]

I just thought I would share these verses about Moses, as they are so amazing and beautiful.

The Lord Himself buried Moses.


So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day. Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died. His eyes were not dim nor his natural vigor diminished. And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days. So the days of weeping and mourning for Moses ended.
Now Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom, for Moses had laid his hands on him; so the children of Israel heeded him, and did as the Lord had commanded Moses.
But since then there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, in all the signs and wonders which the Lord sent him to do in the land of Egypt, before Pharaoh, before all his servants, and in all his land, and by all that mighty power and all the great terror which Moses performed in the sight of all Israel. Deuteronomy 34:5-12





JLB

 

[daninthelionsden]

Apostate Israel. Where does it come from? Is it here now?

Revelation 17:7-8
And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 20:1-3
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7-8
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Was the apostate Israel established in 1948?

I dunno about in 1948, but it surely will be apostate Israel who signs the 7 year peace treaty.
Some Jews don't even believe Israel was formed until the 67' war to retake Jerusalem. Others even believe it wasn't until Jerusalem was made the capital. And others until the Temple is rebuilt. I'm sure there are other dates that people adhere to past ,present and future inside and outside of Israel/Judaism.

 

[for_his_glory]

the Lord uses all types of people to illustrate spiritual lessons. the passage makes it clear that this King of Tyre is not. Gentile like those who are going to kill him. But you are missing the larger point that this being was in the Garden of Eden. The passage describes him as being dressed in the same manner as the High Priest but three of the stones representing the 12 tribes are missing just as three heads are missing in Zec. 11 and the Revelation.this is where we get the answer to when he ‘was, is not now, and will be again. He was in the Garden, he is not in the world now the Abyss, and will be again when he comes as the Jewish Messiah.

sorry I wasn’t clear. Here I try again. If you lived in the time spoken of when antichrist-Christ comes as Messiah how would you tell he was the Messiah. You never met him before. He doesn’t have any ID. How would you know Him? Same way the religious leaders tried to disprove Christ was who He claim. Messiah was not supposed to come from Nazareth. No Elijah preparing his way. What would the Jewish leaders have done if the Lord was born in what would become Europe? Yet that is exactly is taking place when the claim is anti-Christ is not a Jew. When the Lord spoke of Himself and anti-Christ He spoke of how they were “Allos” and not “Heteros.” This had nothing to do with sex. The Lord declared anti-Christ and He were Allos the same and not Heteros different.How they are the same will anti-christ will be all the things the Bible establishes for those who have never met the Messiah can identify him. I am just trying to understand your position. Thanks

Notice in Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a duel reference to Satan as in vs. 12 Ezekiel was told by God to take up a lamentation as God was expressing His grief over Ithobaal III the king of Tyre comparing him to Satan. The city of Tyre was was a neighbor of Israel and under Assyrian monarchy. Tyre was famed for the temple complex of Melkart, who was a Phoenician god of their religion, with its renowned garden enclosure as one of the most important sanctuaries in Tyre.

Not seeing any mention of three stones representing the 12 tribes or about three heads missing. Can't see what Zechariah 11 has to do with God's judgment over Tyre and Zidon as Ezekiel chapters 25-32 are prophecies God gave to Ezekiel against the foreign nations. These were not the same prophecies that were given to Judah and Jerusalem as Tyre and Zidon were north of Israel.

If I am still alive when the son of perdition takes his seat in Jerusalem claiming he is Christ I would know he is not the Messiah come as Jesus has already taught us what to look for as things that will come first before His return.

Who said Jesus was not to come from Nazareth and where is it written that antichrist will be a Jew? When the angel came to Joseph while they were in Egypt the angel told him to take the young child Jesus and his mother Mary and go into the land of Israel. So, they came into the land. Being warned of God in a dream Joseph heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go any further and went to Galilee and dwelt in the city called Nazareth, Matthew 2:19-23.

Allos is another of the same source as he will appear as Christ using lying signs and wonders that will appear to others that he is Christ as many will bow down to him and take the mark of this beast, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Rev 13. This is how Satan works through the son of perdition who is the last antichrist being a Gentile that went out of Israel who once lived in Israel, 1 John 2:18, 19.

None of us have ever seen Jesus, but will know the sign given in Matthew 24:29-31 that this is the true Christ when we see Him in the air.

 

[for_his_glory]

I dunno about in 1948, but it surely will be apostate Israel who signs the 7 year peace treaty.
Some Jews don't even believe Israel was formed until the 67' war to retake Jerusalem. Others even believe it wasn't until Jerusalem was made the capital. And others until the Temple is rebuilt. I'm sure there are other dates that people adhere to past ,present and future inside and outside of Israel/Judaism.

Daniel 9:24-27 is past tense of the abomination of desolation at that time in history, but also that of future prophecy of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:15 and revealed to John in Rev 13. The final abomination will be that of what 2 Thessalonian 2:1-13 and Rev 13 reveal about the son of perdition (last antichrist/beast out of the earth) who will take a literal seat in what is now the Dome of the Rock that is being refurbished for this iron revived Roman Empire described in Daniel Chapter 2. The son of perdition will promise peace and safety as he deceives the nations into taking its mark and bowing down to this Luciferian political, economic and religious system.

There is no seven year peace treaty mentioned in scripture as it's just man's interpretative assumption of Daniel 9:27 without the full context of the whole of scripture. There will be no peace treaty signed by Israel during the time of the seven trumpets sounding, but a false hope of peace and safety in the last 1290 days (3 1/2 years) through the lies that come out of the mouth of the last antichrist being the son of perdition. In 70 A.D. Titus was given orders from Rome to take Israel into captivity and to destroy the city of Jerusalem. It was the Roman Empire that destroyed the city. So then the prince who will promise peace and safety is to be a prince of Rome, or to put it another way the son of perdition, John 17:12; 2Thessalonians 2:3, 4.

 

[Shekinahglory]

Notice in Ezekiel 28:11-19 is a duel reference to Satan as in vs. 12 Ezekiel was told by God to take up a lamentation as God was expressing His grief over Ithobaal III the king of Tyre comparing him to Satan. The city of Tyre was was a neighbor of Israel and under Assyrian monarchy. Tyre was famed for the temple complex of Melkart, who was a Phoenician god of their religion, with its renowned garden enclosure as one of the most important sanctuaries in Tyre.

Not seeing any mention of three stones representing the 12 tribes or about three heads missing. Can't see what Zechariah 11 has to do with God's judgment over Tyre and Zidon as Ezekiel chapters 25-32 are prophecies God gave to Ezekiel against the foreign nations. These were not the same prophecies that were given to Judah and Jerusalem as Tyre and Zidon were north of Israel.

Shekinahglory: The guardian cherub is outfitted in the same manner as the High priest. This High Priest is different he has only nine of the twelve stones in his breastplate. It is known that three shepherds will be plucked out and are missing in the end times

If I am still alive when the son of perdition takes his seat in Jerusalem claiming he is Christ I would know he is not the Messiah come as Jesus has already taught us what to look for as things that will come first before His return.
Shekinahglory: Seriously? You would not hold him to the prophecies of Messiah’s birth etc.if you were one of the elect of that day who at that point still waiting for Messiah prebelieving. The religious leaders tried using Nazereth against Him asking if anything good come out of Nazareth. Never seeing the irony and error that Nazareth means Branch and here was the Branch out of dry ground.

Who said Jesus was not to come from Nazareth and where is it written that antichrist will be a Jew? When the angel came to Joseph while they were in Egypt the angel told him to take the young child Jesus and his mother Mary and go into the land of Israel. So, they came into the land. Being warned of God in a dream Joseph heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go any further and went to Galilee and dwelt in the city called Nazareth, Matthew 2:19-23.

Allos is another of the same source as he will appear as Christ using lying signs and wonders that will appear to others that he is Christ as many will bow down to him and take the mark of this beast, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Rev 13. This is how Satan works through the son of perdition who is the last antichrist being a Gentile that went out of Israel who once lived in Israel, 1 John 2:18, 19.
Shekinahglory: these Orthodox Jews are not going to accept a Gentile Messiah. The Son of Perdition is anti-Christ. Scripture tells us that Satan is the father of The Lie just as God the Father is Father of The Truth. Anti-Christ is the Son of Perdition as Christ is the Son of Heaven. There is Scripture pointing to Judas being, anti-christ, the Son of Perdition the son of Satan. I doubt if you could find a Jewish person in or out of Israel that would accept a Gentile as Messiah. All the Rabbinic writings are clear Messiah is a Jew by birth.

None of us have ever seen Jesus, but will know the sign given in Matthew 24:29-31 that this is the true Christ when we see Him in the air.

 

[for_his_glory]

This is why I do not use men's commentaries as many of them are nothing more than traditional doctrines of man. I only use history of the Biblical eras and scripture.

Unless I'm wrong, I think you are trying to mix Ezekiel chapter 17 with Ezekiel chapter 28. Chapter 17 depicts Messiah as a tender twig, but chapter 28 is that of God's judgement over the downfall of King Ithobaal III of Tyre who was a Gentile whose heart became prideful as he said "I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas. Seas means nations like that of Rev 13 as this was written in the time of the Babylonian captivity of the Jews. God compares him to Satan while he was in the garden of Eden until pride caused his downfall and was cast out of the garden of Eden.

 

[Randy]

We done this before so we do it again. Man states many things but it is God who states who His children are.

children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

In that family, at the beginning, there were Jews, gentiles, male, female, rich and poor. They entered that "covenant" by faith in Jesus.

In regard to that family we note that it is in Jesus we live and our held together and sustained forever. We note there is no other way.

Clearly then Judaism and even more so Rabbinic Judaism has been cast adrift and is rudderless. They do not know God. They rule by their own authority. They claim a uniqueness that no longer exists as "they believe". Gods chosen people - the Jewish people.

The nation of Israel has appeared to fulfill all righteousness. (prophesy) The gathering Jesus spoke of are those who belong to Him from the ends of the heavens to the ends of the earth. In bodies not of the dust of the earth. (carbon based) Flesh and blood can not inherit such a everlasting Kingdom that can never be destroyed promised to those who love and obey God.

They are many in this world who think they are Jews but they are not.

It may be some of them enter into the family of God through the signs given in Rev 11. But it will be as in the beginning -through faith in Jesus our Passover lamb who is Lord of all.

It is through Jesus, not any nation, that Gods promises are fulfilled to Abraham and David. Promises that were to be in place "forever".

As the living God states:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants die like flies. But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.