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Babies not as innocent as they pretend

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Babies not as innocent as they pretend
By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 01/07/2007

Whether lying about raiding the biscuit tin or denying they broke a toy, all children try to mislead their parents at some time. Yet it now appears that babies learn to deceive from a far younger age than anyone previously suspected.

Behavioural experts have found that infants begin to lie from as young as six months. Simple fibs help to train them for more complex deceptions in later life.

Until now, psychologists had thought the developing brains were not capable of the difficult art of lying until four years old.

advertisementFollowing studies of more than 50 children and interviews with parents, Dr Vasudevi Reddy, of the University of Portsmouth's psychology department, says she has identified seven categories of deception used between six months and three-years-old.

Infants quickly learnt that using tactics such as fake crying and pretend laughing could win them attention. By eight months, more difficult deceptions became apparent, such as concealing forbidden activities or trying to distract parents' attention.

By the age of two, toddlers could use far more devious techniques, such as bluffing when threatened with a punishment.

Dr Reddy said: "Fake crying is one of the earliest forms of deception to emerge, and infants use it to get attention even though nothing is wrong. You can tell, as they will then pause while they wait to hear if their mother is responding, before crying again.

"It demonstrates they're clearly able to distinguish that what they are doing will have an effect. This is essentially all adults do when they tell lies, except in adults it becomes more morally loaded."

She added: "Later it becomes more sophisticated by saying, 'I don't care' when threatened with a punishment - when they clearly do."

Dr Reddy thinks children use early fibs to discover what kinds of lie work in certain situations, and also learn the negative consequences of lying too much.

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Yup' I believe all of it.
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What is the point of this? *Sniff* Smells like something is being implied. Based on my knowledge of christian doctrine, I'd say this is trying to imply original sin/sin nature inherited from Adam and Eve. Am I close?

I'd hate for that kind of thinking to exist in modern morality and society in practice. Scary. Just think, according to that logic, you could be punished for things you didn't do. Glad we have the notion of individual responsibility at play for the most part.

Humans are quite clever and good learners, even from early in life. It seems I also read an article some time back, an article that correlated lying with intelligence. Not sure where I found that though.
 
What is the point of this? *Sniff* Smells like something is being implied. Based on my knowledge of christian doctrine, I'd say this is trying to imply original sin/sin nature inherited from Adam and Eve. Am I close?
And Featherbop' may I ask what is your point. This is nothing but information' it was not intended' to really go Biblical. It smells like nothing is being implied here. We all know that our sin nature is a result of the fall.
 
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Seems suspicion of deception is another art conceived from the knowledge of deception in the first place... something we all share.

Complicated creatures we are. We're not aware of the complexity within that surfaces to form our character, personalities. Blood courses through our veins without notice, food is digested by complex chemical reactions, cell growth takes place in obscurity, our immune systems wage war 24/7 without any indication, our minds form thoughts and ideas through a maze of electrical impulses science has yet to fathom even past the simplest components of the soul... and through all this complex interaction comes the qualities we deal with every day unaware of the depths of intricate microstructure and processes we take for granted living through each day, year and lifetime.
We don't understand the rudiments of the composition of our own being but use that incomprehensible constitution of self to react/respond with other individuals in yet another complicated environment we call the universe.

One day we'll find our true purpose and place in all this. One day we may understand the why of it all without suspicion or fear wrought by our sinful natures. And one day we'll be shed on this body of sin that has plagued us from the time the world of man was created. And that is the hope we share that we be with the Father, to be with our Lord and Savior, to finally understand the things that were created for Him and by Him.
 
I know that we are all are sinful in nature, and learn how to sin very early, and that those little ones catch on fast about how to get what they want, but I'd say that part of it is learning how to communicate period...even though the manipulation and other things get thrown in the mix.

I think one of the reasons babies are so good at it early on is because they are just so sweet and cute to their parents...especially the first one when it's all new. They learn how to use that very early. I just love babies...even if they are not as innocent as they look.
 
And Featherbop' may I ask what is your point.

Asking the question because I was wondering what the point was.

This is nothing but information' it was not intended' to really go Biblical.

I knew it wasn't going to go biblical about original sin, because the doctrine of original sin is not in the bible as far as I know. But examples of people being punished for the actions of relatives or ancestors is in the bible, so I guess it could have gone that way.

We all know that our sin nature is a result of the fall.

Well, I don't remember, but does the bible even make that claim outright? Does it say that because the first two sinned, then everyone else after has or will sin also? Or does it just say all people will sin, without tying back to the Eden incident?

The thing too, about this article, is that is doesn't show anything evil being done. These kids show learning it seems, not reasoned, thought out evil intentions. Plus, other species learn deception too. Do they have an evil nature too?
 
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