Born Again?

[Rollo Tamasi]

I have a fuller explanation throughout this thread.
If you take the time to actually read MY posts carefully you can see what I have said and stated and why I have said what I have said.

It has everything to do with the recurring themes of John's Gospel and proper translation of the Early Latin/Greek that John wrote in.
It also fits in the manner Jesus spoke in which He is always one step ahead of those He is speaking to.
Where "Born Again" marketing of the "Regeneration" theology isn't wrong...it isn't a theme in John...and belongs to Paul and others in the Old Testament.

I admit that I didn't do my normal, clear job in explaining...but if someone actually takes the time to read carefully what I wrote instead of skimming the truth becomes very clear.

You are stating here that you have the truth and others don.t
That's quite a claim to make.

 

[JohnDB]

You are stating here that you have the truth and others don.t
That's quite a claim to make.

No...
Have you gone through and read my explanation?

I'm saying that this passage has been misinterpreted and a marketing promotion has ensured that the other ideas for what this passage is saying is ignored.

Most people have various ideas about what a particular passage reveals theologically...and this one is no different.

I revealed another viable option, one that doesn't do harm to anyone about anything and I got labeled all forms of a heretic for it.

It doesn't support Calvinism nor Arminianisim. So of course everyone hates it.
Oh of course I could be wrong...I'm certain that 99% of the people disagree with me because of what they have heard their whole life.
But there is a reason your Bible has a footnote on this passage...and I explained why and the resulting theological positions from the alternative reading.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

Of water and of Spirit.

Basically we should make the commitment by getting baptised, without baptism there is no commitment. To be born of the spirit is to engage in listening to the spirit because it relates to God. The body is natural and people that do not consider God follow it. The spirit relates to supernatural faith.