Calvinism and the Nicene Creed

[Walpole]

As many as 318 bishops signed the creed at Nicea.
Only 5 were from the Western church.

...Because the majority of the world's bishops were from the East. And yet, the Council was called by the bishop of Rome...

“As soon as the evil of heresy began to reach that pitch which the Arian blasphemy has now attained, three hundred and eighteen of our Fathers were selected by the most holy bishop of Rome to deliberate the subject at Nice.” (Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, II, 22, Dam. Ad Epist.)

“This same holy and universal synod, here present, faithfully accepts and welcomes with open hands the report of Agatho, most holy and most blessed pope of elder Rome, that came to our most reverend and most faithful emperor Constantine, which rejected by name those who proclaimed and taught, as has been already explained, one will and one principle of action in the incarnate dispensation of Christ our true God.” (Exposition of the Faith at the Third Council of Constantinople)


The bishop of Rome, on account of his advanced age, could not make the 1475 mile trek from Rome to Nicea. He therefore sent the Bishop of Cordova, Hosius (Osius), along with two priests from Rome, Vitus (Vito) and Vincentius, as his personal representatives at Nicea...

“Three hundred and eighteen bishops were assembled. The bishop of Rome, on account of his very advanced age, was absent, but he sent two presbyters to the council, with authority to agree to what was done.” (Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, I, 6)

“And Hosius was the representative of the Bishop of Rome; and he was present at the Council of Nicea, with two Roman priests Vitus and Vincentius.” (Galasius of Cyzicus, Volumen Actorum Con Nic., II, 5)


----> These three representatives of the bishop of Rome were the first men the first to sign the official Acts of the Council; two of whom were but simple priests, signing ahead of the great Patriarchs of the East.

 

[Walpole]

Can you give some evidence that the Creed is that of the Roman Catholic Church?

---> Here

 

[Walpole]

What defines what is or is not Christian is the New Testament, NOT the church

How exactly does a collection of books make one a Christian?

Do you have a verse of Scripture which states this?

Also, the New Testament actually refers to something else as the New Testament. Do you know that is?

 

[Anto9us2]

The council of Nicea was called by Constantine.

 

[Walpole]

Hi Walpole...

Since you've widened your question regarding the Nicene Creed and have moved it to questioning the entire Council,,,I'd have to agree with you.

I haven't followed along....but I think the Protestants have accepted ONLY the Creed and not the teachings of the council in general. (of course).

Right now I'm more worried about the Catholic Church and this question is almost moot since Francis himself doesn't seem to believe Jesus was divine while on earth. I fear for what's ahead.

That report about Francis was debunked. The reporter who wrote that has been corrected in the past, as he was again this time, stating Francis said things when he really didn't say it. This man is an atheist and ex-Catholic who does not like the Church and has an axe to grind. That said, why Francis continues to grant him interviews is beyond me.

I don't fear what is ahead. This Amazonian Synod is a disaster and as painful as this stuff going on in Rome is to watch and read, it is best for them to let it all come out; their proposals, ceremonies and everything. It shows a clear separation of truth and evil. It shows us where they stand and what we must fight against.

Sometimes God works by means of contrasts.

JPII and Benedict showed and paved the way and blueprint for the authentic and substantive renewal, which will happen eventually. Remember that Trent came after the Reformation...

 

[Walpole]

The council of Nicea was called by Constantine.

No it wasn't...

“As soon as the evil of heresy began to reach that pitch which the Arian blasphemy has now attained, three hundred and eighteen of our Fathers were selected by the most holy bishop of Rome to deliberate the subject at Nice.” (Theodoret, Ecclesiastical History, II, 22, Dam. Ad Epist.)

“This same holy and universal synod, here present, faithfully accepts and welcomes with open hands the report of Agatho, most holy and most blessed pope of elder Rome, that came to our most reverend and most faithful emperor Constantine, which rejected by name those who proclaimed and taught, as has been already explained, one will and one principle of action in the incarnate dispensation of Christ our true God.” (Exposition of the Faith at the Third Council of Constantinople)

 

[Anto9us2]

Anyone can Google "who called the council of Nicea"

First one, 325 AD

 

[Walpole]

Anyone can Google "who called the council of Nicea"

First one, 325 AD

Give me a primary source. (I provided two: An early Christian historian from the East as well as the Fathers of the Third Council of Constantinople).

 

[Anto9us2]

https://www.Britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325

Using Theodoret as a source is dubious, he supported Nestorius for a long while.

The Third Council of Nicea is way after what we are talking about, we are talking about First one in 325 AD.

I have seen estimates of as few as 2 and as many as 8 for Western bishops at 1st Council of Nicea.

BTW, Walpole, your post of Peter the Rock and Petra/Petros not meaning anything in Aramaic was commendable.

Research on some of this stuff kind of depends on sources which sometimes have certain biases.

I recommend people Google the sources and research things for themselves.

 

[Anto9us2]

I am having trouble getting my source to come up, bear with me.

OK, Britannica link is fixed.

 

[Anto9us2]

First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[GodsGrace]

Give me a primary source. (I provided two: An early Christian historian from the East as well as the Fathers of the Third Council of Constantinople).

I do believe Constantine recommended that the council be held.

First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts

First Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, which took place in 325 in the ancient city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey). The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the...

www.britannica.com

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[GodsGrace]

That report about Francis was debunked. The reporter who wrote that has been corrected in the past, as he was again this time, stating Francis said things when he really didn't say it. This man is an atheist and ex-Catholic who does not like the Church and has an axe to grind. That said, why Francis continues to grant him interviews is beyond me.

I don't fear what is ahead. This Amazonian Synod is a disaster and as painful as this stuff going on in Rome is to watch and read, it is best for them to let it all come out; their proposals, ceremonies and everything. It shows a clear separation of truth and evil. It shows us where they stand and what we must fight against.

Sometimes God works by means of contrasts.

JPII and Benedict showed and paved the way and blueprint for the authentic and substantive renewal, which will happen eventually. Remember that Trent came after the Reformation...

I don't know...I wouldn't say it was debunked.
Francis is always saying things that need to be restated and fixed.
A guy that can't even speak what he means shouldn't be Pope.
Scalfaro is not known to tell untruths...and even if he did, I agree with you: why do they keep granting him interviews?

Francis himself said that he "wants confusion". I found that pretty interesting...like his homosexual comment that the news flew with.
And he granted a THIRTY MINUTE audience to the leader of the LGBT movement when BISHOPS have a difficult time getting to see him.

I think the Pope should make a personal statement as to the identity of Christ. This is important, and it's not like some in the CC do not believe this. About Jesus being a man,,,,this is a heresy. (arianism).

A clear definition of truth and evil...agreed.
So much pagan stuff going on.
Been watching Voris and Remnant TV and it looks like many catholics are waking up to what's going on. Thank God for that.

Yes. I pray it's a disaster as you mentioned.
A group of ladies I'm friends with are saying the rosary every Friday afternoon at 4:00 pm, 10:00 am in NY (Eastern) time.
Join in.

What do you believe the "authentic renewal" will be?

 

[Butch5]

What church do YOU believe wrote the Nicene Creed in the year 325 AD?

What other church was around back then?

Well, there was the church started by the apostles.

 

[Butch5]

---> Here

Thanks! However, most of the things listed aren't in the creed.

 

[Walpole]

Thanks! However, most of the things listed aren't in the creed.

The Creed composed by the bishops of the Church describes itself and professes a belief in it:

"...I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church."

The very Church described by the words of the Creed is the Church Protestants positively reject. Hence, my confusion. It appears that Protestants either do not know what it is they are professing, or they do not actually believe what it is they claim to profess.

Thanks again for the pleasant discussion. I enjoy your posts.

 

[Walpole]

I don't know...I wouldn't say it was debunked.
Francis is always saying things that need to be restated and fixed.
A guy that can't even speak what he means shouldn't be Pope.
Scalfaro is not known to tell untruths...and even if he did, I agree with you: why do they keep granting him interviews?

Francis himself said that he "wants confusion". I found that pretty interesting...like his homosexual comment that the news flew with.
And he granted a THIRTY MINUTE audience to the leader of the LGBT movement when BISHOPS have a difficult time getting to see him.

I think the Pope should make a personal statement as to the identity of Christ. This is important, and it's not like some in the CC do not believe this. About Jesus being a man,,,,this is a heresy. (arianism).

A clear definition of truth and evil...agreed.
So much pagan stuff going on.
Been watching Voris and Remnant TV and it looks like many catholics are waking up to what's going on. Thank God for that.

Yes. I pray it's a disaster as you mentioned.
A group of ladies I'm friends with are saying the rosary every Friday afternoon at 4:00 pm, 10:00 am in NY (Eastern) time.
Join in.

What do you believe the "authentic renewal" will be?

Yes, it has been debunked.

---> https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...reported-about-divinity-of-jesus-christ-49912

 

[Boaz]

How exactly does a collection of books make one a Christian?

Do you have a verse of Scripture which states this?

Also, the New Testament actually refers to something else as the New Testament. Do you know that is?

A collection of books called the NT does not make us a Christian. I never said that. It is what is IN those books that defines the tenants of Christianity. The boundaries if you will. What Jesus has established Himself, through the Apostles (the 12 plus Paul) as the requirements of His church.

How exactly does a collection of books make one a Christian?

Do you have a verse of Scripture which states this?

Also, the New Testament actually refers to something else as the New Testament. Do you know that is?

A collection of books called the NT does not save us. I never said that. It is what is IN those books that tells us what Christianity is. The Gospels tell us who Jesus is and He teaches truth that will become the tenets of Christianity, after His resurrection, the Apostles, the 12 plus later Paul) appointed by by Jesus and witnesses to His resurrection, were sent out to preach the Gospel and lay the foundations of the Church. That is, present the doctrine etc. that is the foundation, meaning church is built on this, nothing more, nothing less, that is contained in Christianity. Boundaries in other words.
In the quoted scriptures the "we" are these apostles, that is WHO Paul is talking about. 1Corinthians 3:9,10 "For we are God's fellow workers;you are God's field, you are God's building. According to the grace of God that was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
Answer to your last question is, no I don't know. Please tell me.

 

[Walpole]

I do believe Constantine recommended that the council be held.

First Council of Nicaea | Description, History, Significance, & Facts

First Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, which took place in 325 in the ancient city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Turkey). The council condemned Arius and the Arian heresy that Christ is a created being and revised the creed to clarify the equality of God the...

www.britannica.com

.

The Eastern early historian Theodoret states it was the bishop of Rome, as do the Fathers of a subsequent Council (Third Council of Constantinople). I have quotations from both in a previous thread.

 

[Butch5]

The Creed composed by the bishops of the Church describes itself and professes a belief in it:

"...I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church."

The very Church described by the words of the Creed is the Church Protestants positively reject. Hence, my confusion. It appears that Protestants either do not know what it is they are professing, or they do not actually believe what it is they claim to profess.

Thanks again for the pleasant discussion. I enjoy your posts.

You're welcome! I'm a little confused. Are you saying that this statement is the Roman Catholic Church?