Bible Study Catholic Convert's Catechism - Could Someone Verify?

[SputnikBoy]

While I've heard plenty from SDAs over the years that the RCC was supposedly responsible for having changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, I recently came face to face with a Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine.

What do our Catholic friends have to say about this? More importantly, perhaps, what do the mainstream Christians have to say about it, if anything?

While I could be wrong, as far as I know the webpage from which I acquired the following document is not SDA related. The site is as follows: http://www.biblehistory.com/Day%20of%20 ... holic.html and the actual document is posted below.


Roman Catholics observe Sunday as the day of worship because they changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. Their explanation follows below:

THE CONVERT'S CATECHISM OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

The quotation listed below comes from: The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Rev. Peter Geirmann, C.SS.R., Imprimatur Joseph E. Ritter S.T.D. Archbishop of St. Lois, B. Herder Book Co., St. Lois, MO.

Q. What is the Third Commandment?*

A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?

A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

A. We observe Sunday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.

Q. What does the Third Commandment command?

A. The Third Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

Q. What does the Third Commandment forbid?

A. The Third Commandment forbids (1) The omission of prayer and divine worship; (2) All unnecessary servile work; (3) Whatever hinders the keeping of the Lord's Day holy.

Q. Is the desecration of the Lord's Day a grievous matter?

A. The desecration of the Lord's Day is a grievous matter in itself, though it admits of light matter.

Note: In the King James Version of the Bible, the Sabbath Commandment is the 4th Commandment. See Exodus 20:8-11. Since the Commandments are not numbered, the Roman Catholics state: "The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities."Catechism of the Catholic Church" 1994. p.557.

Isn't there an element or more than an element of blasphemy about this?

 

[Rick W]

Man I dunno. There sure is a lot of fuss over what day is selected to come together to worship, fellowship and in general keep ties with each other.

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;

Sometimes I wonder if it's not the day that is set aside that bothers some but the fact that as christians we are compelled to do so. There are seven days to choose from. Pick one and let's stick with that. I don't care which as long as at least one day is reserved from our busy schedules to slow down, stop, give thanks and our time to the Lord who created us in the first place. I would think that the act of getting together is much more important than the day. Brings to mind which is greater... the altar or the gift?

 

[Jay T]

Man I dunno. There sure is a lot of fuss over what day is selected to come together to worship, fellowship and in general keep ties with each other.

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;

Sometimes I wonder if it's not the day that is set aside that bothers some but the fact that as christians we are compelled to do so. There are seven days to choose from. Pick one and let's stick with that.

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?
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I don't care which as long as at least one day is reserved from our busy schedules to slow down, stop, give thanks and our time to the Lord who created us in the first place. I would think that the act of getting together is much more important than the day.

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15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition ?

15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain ...they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[Poke]

I don't know, but I bet the SDA makes a huge deal about how important it is for Church to meet on Saturday. There's nothing in the NT that teaches that the Sabbath should be moved to Sunday.

But, for modern Christianity, Sunday is the 7th-day and is the Sabbath. I don't see anything wrong with this. Christians aren't under the Law and there's nothing in the NT that I see to justify rebelling against the tradition based on the day of Christ's resurrection.

 

[CatholicXian]

Binding and loosing... binding and loosing... what does it mean to bind? what does it mean to loose? (cf. Matthew 16:18-19)

 

[Jay T]

I don't know, but I bet the SDA makes a huge deal about how important it is for Church to meet on Saturday.

Was it an SDA that wrote this.......
20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

There's nothing in the NT that teaches that the Sabbath should be moved to Sunday.

So, why does not the modern Christian world believe, what the Bible says ?

But, for modern Christianity, Sunday is the 7th-day and is the Sabbath.

WRONG !
Sunday is the first day of the week, the day Christ arose from the Grave as scripture says (Luke 23:52-Luke 24:3)

I don't see anything wrong with this. Christians aren't under the Law and there's nothing in the NT that I see to justify rebelling against the tradition based on the day of Christ's resurrection.

The Gospel commission Jersus Christ gave is this.......

Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you....."
QUESTION: Where did Jesus ever mention anything, about keeping Sunday, in honor of His resurrection ?

 

[Henry]

Here is the problem;

People are confusing a gathering and worship with the sabbath day, who said that the sabbath day was a day for a church service?

The early church met house to house daily, not only on a particular day of the week. They met on the first day of the week (sunday) to share in the Lords Supper together. There is no indication they thought this was in place of the sabbath day.

However, I believe in context the true sabbath is rest in Jesus Christ. The Isrealites wondered the desert and kept the sabbath day, never the less God said they never entered HIS rest.

Let's not confuse worship, gathering and sabbath day like this. When you do you are only letting modern day tradition color your view of the bible.

 

[ttg]

Isn't there an element or more than an element of blasphemy about this?

I can see where you're coming from if you start with the premise that the Catholic Church is just a bunch of people who get together to worship.

But if you understand that Jesus endowed the Catholic Church (and no other) to represent him on earth and carry on his teachings, then it simply follows that the Church has the authority to do such things. "Binding and loosing" as Matthew (and CatholicXian) would say.

However, I may not give all the credit (or blame as you seem to imply) to the Catholic Church. As far as I know, there was never a Papal decree changing the Sabbath to Sunday because it wasn't needed. It's simply the way it was done by the ECF's.

"If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death--whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master." Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110).

 

[thessalonian]

Good post ttg. I of course would say that it started before the ECF.

Acts 20
[7]
On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and he prolonged his speech until midnight.


Rev.1
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

One who knows that the book of revelatoins parrellels the Mass would find this passage to be very significant. Sputnick and those like him will miss the significance.

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

Its the idea of fulfillment and not change. Jesus fulfilled everything. As the fullness of truth, everything else that contains ANY truth will be fulfilled by the Truth. The Lord's Day is a fulfillment of the Sabbath in my opinion.

 

[Georges]

All y'all in the forums except a few have missed it...as usual.. :roll:. Which is disturbing because it's so easy to figure out, and it's not the first time it's been bought forth...yet the same characters still don't see it.

The importance of observing the Sabbath on Saturday is completely Jewish...and Jewish eschatology at that...

The Sabbath day of rest in Jewish eschatology represents the "Sabbath Millennium" that encompases the Messiah's kingdom on earth.

That was/is the Jew's goal in life...to be resurrected to enjoy the Messianic Kingdom...Worshipping God with the Messiah leading the way...that's the goal. Worshipping on the Sabbath keeps that goal in mind.

When Christianity switched day's, it switched focus.....what's the result? Catholic/Protestant Amillennialism. Satan's accomplished some of the plan...and modern Christianity is none the wiser....thanks Paul...

 

[Georges]

All y'all in the forums except a few have missed it...as usual.. :roll:. Which is disturbing because it's so easy to figure out, and it's not the first time it's been bought forth...yet the same characters still don't see it.

The importance of observing the Sabbath on Saturday is completely Jewish...and Jewish eschatology at that...

The Sabbath day of rest in Jewish eschatology represents the "Sabbath Millennium" that encompases the Messiah's kingdom on earth.

That was/is the Jew's goal in life...to be resurrected to enjoy the Messianic Kingdom...Worshipping God with the Messiah leading the way...that's the goal. Worshipping on the Sabbath keeps that goal in mind.

When Christianity switched day's, it switched focus.....what's the result? Catholic/Protestant Amillennialism. Satan's accomplished some of the plan...and modern Christianity is none the wiser....thanks Paul :-? ...

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

2 Peter 3:15-16 ---Pauls letters can be a hard to grasp and interpret. Dude, just cause you dont understand Paul and want to throw out half the New Testament doesnt mean that we should.