Bible Study Children of Seth?

[dianegcook]

Cain already had a wife when he went to the land of Nod. Genesis 4: 16,17

It really doesn't say, but from whom, his sister? Mother?

 

[dianegcook]

Cain is of the genealogy of Adam. He is Abels brother

Yep, perhaps, half brother..
The genealogy of Adam is in Gen.5

 

[Boaz]

Yep, perhaps, half brother..
The genealogy of Adam is in Gen.5

Perhaps half brother?

 

[Boaz]

It really doesn't say, but from whom, his sister? Mother?

who knows? A lot of years are involved here. We only know Adam was 130 when he had Seth. We are ALL related.

 

[Boaz]

My belief:
That we all existed before this age, spiritually.
Satan rebelled and one third of the angels followed him.
God could had destroyed them then, but loves His children so much, He didn't want them to perish., everyone will be born in the flesh, except Satan and some of his angels, and of course the Arch Angels...
Even God was born in the flesh, to shed blood for remission of sin.
Thus, this earth age, to decide on whom you will follow. No remembrance of former things.
There will be no more rebellion in the here after...
God knew man would fall.

Sorry. Can't find a thing wrong with that!

 

[Edward]

They may not have started off black.

That's what I think. I think there is no such thing as race. Only mankind, we are all brothers and sisters. There are different cultures on earth and people's skin could have adjusted to the climate they were living in.

I even wondered before...maybe it was the mark put on Cain from God over the murder...and that was where the black skin came from? I doubt it but thought I'd throw that in there.

 

[for_his_glory]

Edward I am replying to your post #48, 49. I've already explained my understanding of fallen angels/demon/devils/unclean spirits in post # 47 according to scripture. It's just like the name Lucifer/Satan/prince of darkness/Beelzebub/father of lies and many more names given to this fallen angel. Satan is nothing more than a fallen angel that goes to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it as he still has access to the throne room of God as he stands accusing the brethren as Jesus sits and makes intercession for us. Satan is the opposite of God's goodness as his evil hierarchy includes the third of the angels that have followed after him as he sends them throughout the earth for his destructive purpose in man, 1 Peter 5:8.

 

[for_his_glory]

Edward

This is where we differ in our understanding of what the word Nephilim means as it has been traditionally taught to be angels who came down and procreated with women by marrying and having children with them. Only God can incarnate His angels into human form for the purpose of His ministry.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The way I read this verse is that there were giants in the earth in those days (before the flood) and also after that (after the flood) when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth named in Genesis 5 as they all man had sons and daughters, but not all of these sons and daughters obeyed God and fell away from Him and let's not forget the ungodly line of Cain that some of these sons and daughters might have married into Cain line) came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, (as some had the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants) the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (this gene had to start with Adam).

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Nephilim
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling : nef-eel
Definition: "giants", name of two people, one before the flood and one after the flood

By this definition these angels would have to have come down two different times to marry the daughters of men. Once before the flood and again after the flood, but we only find this one time in Genesis 6:1, 2.

There is no such thing as a half angel, half human hybrid called Giants. Nephilim is just a name given to giants that we read about in scripture and even those that are living today being over 6 feet and taller.

Rephaim - race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Deuteronomy 3:11-13; 2 Samuel 21:16-20, Og the king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaim
Anakim - race of giants Numbers 13:33; Deuteronomy 2:10; 9:2 Anak son of Arba Joshua 15:13 descendent of Canaan, son of Ham
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Genesis, 19:37; Deuteronomy 2:10, 11 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham
Zuzim/Zamzummims the evil ones, roaming things Genesis 14:5-7, 19:38 Deuteronomy 2:20 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham

 

[dianegcook]

Edward

This is where we differ in our understanding of what the word Nephilim means as it has been traditionally taught to be angels who came down and procreated with women by marrying and having children with them. Only God can incarnate His angels into human form for the purpose of His ministry.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The way I read this verse is that there were giants in the earth in those days (before the flood) and also after that (after the flood) when the sons of God (Godly line of Seth named in Genesis 5 as they all man had sons and daughters, but not all of these sons and daughters obeyed God and fell away from Him and let's not forget the ungodly line of Cain that some of these sons and daughters might have married into Cain line) came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, (as some had the hereditary autosomal dominant pituitary gene such as AIP that produces Nephilim/giants) the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (this gene had to start with Adam).

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance - Nephilim
Part of Speech: noun masculine
Transliteration: Nephilim
Phonetic Spelling : nef-eel
Definition: "giants", name of two people, one before the flood and one after the flood

By this definition these angels would have to have come down two different times to marry the daughters of men. Once before the flood and again after the flood, but we only find this one time in Genesis 6:1, 2.

There is no such thing as a half angel, half human hybrid called Giants. Nephilim is just a name given to giants that we read about in scripture and even those that are living today being over 6 feet and taller.

Rephaim - race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Deuteronomy 3:11-13; 2 Samuel 21:16-20, Og the king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaim
Anakim - race of giants Numbers 13:33; Deuteronomy 2:10; 9:2 Anak son of Arba Joshua 15:13 descendent of Canaan, son of Ham
Emim - the proud deserters, terrors, race of giants Genesis 14:5-7; Genesis, 19:37; Deuteronomy 2:10, 11 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham
Zuzim/Zamzummims the evil ones, roaming things Genesis 14:5-7, 19:38 Deuteronomy 2:20 descendants of Canaan, son of Ham

6ft?
Goliath was way taller.

 

[for_his_glory]

Cain already had a wife when he went to the land of Nod. Genesis 4: 16,17

That has always baffled me in the past as where did this wife of Cain come from. As I studied this deeper Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden on the east side where they began to have children. Cain first then Abel. Cain kills Abel and becomes a fugitive and a vagabond as he wonders through the east side of Eden into a land called Nod which means a wandering life in Hebrew.

We don't know how far he wandered from where Adam and Eve lived and also when the daughters were born of them. The only scenario I can see is that Cain's wife had to be one of his sisters since this is how the earth was to be populated by Adam and Eve's children.

Jubilees Chapter 4 Adam and Eve had fourteen children all together. Cain, Abel, Awan, Seth, Azura and nine more sons that are not named. Vs. 11 begins the lineage of Seth's family with his son Enos and his daughter Noam who married. I don't know why Jubilees never became part of the cannon as there is so much information there as I'm going to start reading all of it.

Cains wife was named Awan being the third child of Adam and Eve before they had Seth, the mother/aunt of their son Enoch. Not to be confused with Jared's son Enoch. Their is also another daughter of Adam and Eve born after Seth named Azura who married Seth being four years younger then him and the mother of Enos and Noam in whom Enos married his sister. After Azura there were nine sons born to Adam and Eve.

 

[Boaz]

That has always baffled me in the past as where did this wife of Cain come from. As I studied this deeper Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden of Eden on the east side where they began to have children. Cain first then Abel. Cain kills Abel and becomes a fugitive and a vagabond as he wonders through the east side of Eden into a land called Nod which means a wandering life in Hebrew.

We don't know how far he wandered from where Adam and Eve lived and also when the daughters were born of them. The only scenario I can see is that Cain's wife had to be one of his sisters since this is how the earth was to be populated by Adam and Eve's children.

Jubilees Chapter 4 Adam and Eve had fourteen children all together. Cain, Abel, Awan, Seth, Azura and nine more sons that are not named. Vs. 11 begins the lineage of Seth's family with his son Enos and his daughter Noam who married. I don't know why Jubilees never became part of the cannon as there is so much information there as I'm going to start reading all of it.

Cains wife was named Awan being the third child of Adam and Eve before they had Seth, the mother/aunt of their son Enoch. Not to be confused with Jared's son Enoch. Their is also another daughter of Adam and Eve born after Seth named Azura who married Seth being four years younger then him and the mother of Enos and Noam in whom Enos married his sister. After Azura there were nine sons born to Adam and Eve.

What exactly is Jubilees

 

[stovebolts]

Mixture of races can cause this...

There is only one race.... The human race and Eve is the mother of all. Genesis 3:20

I don't hear you saying it, but I'm picking up nuances of Lilith in many posts which promotes serpent see theology.

I'm tolerant of many things, but as Edward knows, I've got some work to do in this area. I would ask both of you to be respectful in this matter.

 

[for_his_glory]

6ft?
Goliath was way taller.

Sorry, I meant 9' 6". my brain and typing refuse to cooperate, LOL. Good catch

 

[for_his_glory]

What exactly is Jubilees

It's part of the Apocrypha that was not added to the cannon that makes up our Bible, but yet found with the Dead Sea scrolls and written in Hebrew around the 2nd century. It gives Biblical history of the world from creation to Moses as it follows the accounts of the book of Genesis and provides greater detail of Adams children. I've only read chapter four that names Adams children except the names of the other nine sons, but I do want to read the whole book like I did wit the 1st book of Enoch. You can go online and read it. I do have an English Hebrew Bible that has some of the Apocrypha in it.

 

[tdidymas]

One question..
In Job 1:6 states that there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them..

Were these not angels?

Job 38:1-8 speaks of the foundation of the world...
Verse 7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy..

Were these not angels?

Anything that is created is a son of God.

Heb. 1 says "to which of the angels did God ever say 'you are My son...'" - it applies to the passage in Job also. So, no, they were not angels.

Job 1:6 - Every time believers gather to worship, they are presenting themselves to Him, and even Satan comes into their midst, does he not, since he is the accuser of the brethren?

Job 38:7 - it was controversial since 250 BC, because people don't understand poetry. Yes, Job is poetry. In poetry you cannot assume chronology or time frames, so the sons of God shouting for joy is not necessarily at the same time as the creation. Do not sons of God enjoy the beauty of the creation at all times? So, in this obscure passage, it is proper hermeneutic to interpret according to clear statements in other scriptures. To say that these sons are angels is pure speculation, but to say they are human beings correlates with NT revelation.
TD

 

[tdidymas]

My belief:
That we all existed before this age, spiritually.

I have to object to the preexistence of man idea, as I don't believe it is biblical. Jesus was the only one preexistent who was incarnated, since John the Baptist said "He existed before me," even though John was physically 6 months older than Jesus. So John was acknowledging Jesus' preexistence, and at the same time denying his own preexistence.
TD

 

[stovebolts]

6ft?
Goliath was way taller.

Sorry, I meant 9' 6". my brain and typing refuse to cooperate, LOL. Good catch

I thought you were stuck in cubits!
He was 6 cubits tall
His armor was 5,000 shekels. Some versions say 6,000 and was made like scales.
His spear was 60 shekels.
David crushed his head with a stone
Then he cut it off

656 or 666 with scales and a crushed head..
What did God say in genesis 3? I believe we call that the proto gospel.

 

[Boaz]

It's part of the Apocrypha that was not added to the cannon that makes up our Bible, but yet found with the Dead Sea scrolls and written in Hebrew around the 2nd century. It gives Biblical history of the world from creation to Moses as it follows the accounts of the book of Genesis and provides greater detail of Adams children. I've only read chapter four that names Adams children except the names of the other nine sons, but I do want to read the whole book like I did wit the 1st book of Enoch. You can go online and read it. I do have an English Hebrew Bible that has some of the Apocrypha in it.

Sounds like an interesting read. I knew of the Apocrypha of course but never read it as it was not part of the Canon. There is a reason for that. Part of it might be accurate and some of it not, even contradicting what is in the Canon so be careful. You are familiar enough with scripture to catch the differences I'm sure. And thanks for the info.

 

[stovebolts]

dianegcook and Edward
Please don't misunderstand my last post. The issue is with myself, not either of you. I don't want to stifle a discussion or blacklist topics of discussions.

Later today ill try to respectfully give my view and my sources and like for_his_glory cited her sources, I'd appreciate both of you citing your sources.

 

[dianegcook]

dianegcook and Edward
Please don't misunderstand my last post. The issue is with myself, not either of you. I don't want to stifle a discussion or blacklist topics of discussions.

Later today ill try to respectfully give my view and my sources and like for_his_glory cited her sources, I'd appreciate both of you citing your sources.

No problem:
My sources,
Book of Enoch
Companion Bible, Bullinger's appendix
Strong's Concordance
Holy Bible kJV