China Virus

[HeIsRisen2018]

I guess he could have died before?

I thought it specifically said that he died afterwards though?

 

[Bull of the Woods]

If the calendars are right, the church is now 1,987 years old. The church began on the day of Pentecost, which was some 33 years after the birth of Christ. So, we deduct 33 years from 2020, which gives us the number of 1,987 as it regards the age of the modern church. In other words, we are living in the last days of the church age.

I don’t get that. If we are still waiting for Christ return four thousand years from now then our current time wouldn’t be regarded as the last days.

 

[Christ the King]

We traded ,and open up diplomacy with China since Nixon

Oh so America has been importing Chinese goods since the early 70's???
If that's the case then maybe USA is too deep in it now
Everyone would be used to China owning most of industry
That's why I see Trump trying to make America great again cos he is old enough to remember what that was while most Americans are just used to it now

Im not sure when Australia started trading with China but there was hardly no Chinese imports here in the 80's and 90's. 20 years ago manufacturing had over 25% of the nations GDP, now it's less than 6%. I've seen the whole manufacturing sector all but disappear in my lifetime and experienced the negative effects of that.

So what I've experienced here seems to be very different to America.
I guess few people in America would get into trades anymore but here the kids are still getting fooled into entering trades in industries that are dead leaving so many people with skills that aren't in demand.

For Australia the government has short changed a lot of people and left them in the mud in the space of a generation. And they act like nothing happened

China is a huge trade market for us. Approximately 2.6 million US jobs are directly or indirectly supported by trade with China alone. If we stop trading with every dictatorship and communist country in the world, our economy would likely collapse.

Fair enough i didn't know that the states had been with China for so long.
It seems dependent on them now so u right in saying there isn't much that could be done now probs.

It's a real shame but that's for sure. America lead the industrial era with inventions and innovations that shaped the world. Anything that was made in the USA had such a fine reputation, just like German and Japanese products still do today.
Detroit and Boeing are some of the biggest examples of the collapse of American industry

 

[jasonc]

Oh so America has been importing Chinese goods since the early 70's???
If that's the case then maybe USA is too deep in it now
Everyone would be used to China owning most of industry
That's why I see Trump trying to make America great again cos he is old enough to remember what that was while most Americans are just used to it now

Im not sure when Australia started trading with China but there was hardly no Chinese imports here in the 80's and 90's. 20 years ago manufacturing had over 25% of the nations GDP, now it's less than 6%. I've seen the whole manufacturing sector all but disappear in my lifetime and experienced the negative effects of that.

So what I've experienced here seems to be very different to America.
I guess few people in America would get into trades anymore but here the kids are still getting fooled into entering trades in industries that are dead leaving so many people with skills that aren't in demand.

For Australia the government has short changed a lot of people and left them in the mud in the space of a generation. And they act like nothing happened



Fair enough i didn't know that the states had been with China for so long.
It seems dependent on them now so u right in saying there isn't much that could be done now probs.

It's a real shame but that's for sure. America lead the industrial era with inventions and innovations that shaped the world. Anything that was made in the USA had such a fine reputation, just like German and Japanese products still do today.
Detroit and Boeing are some of the biggest examples of the collapse of American industry

until the late 90s it wasn't as much. we had stuff from viet nam and Taiwan and so forth but not a large scale until the late 90s.

lest i derail the thread into politics too much i will strive to avoid going to those trade deals too much.
boeing isn't perfect and aviation is always predicated on a good ecomony. plenty of aviation is built in my state. piper aircraft are, boeing is not far. McDonald douglas(sikorski ) is south of me as is embrear to the north and also another lo presti aviation

 

[Christ the King]

If the calendars are right, the church is now 1,987 years old. The church began on the day of Pentecost, which was some 33 years after the birth of Christ. So, we deduct 33 years from 2020, which gives us the number of 1,987 as it regards the age of the modern church. In other words, we are living in the last days of the church age.

What makes you say we are living the last days of the church age?
I don't believe the bible gives accurate dating on the end of the church age

 

[daninthelionsden]

First problem is.....define cheap.
Second problem, what prevents foreign countries from responding in kind. Many of our industries are dependent on foreign markets. The imposed tariffs by president Trump were designed to level the playing field but as we saw, the foreign countries replied by imposing their own and shutting down orders.


Would you also then support a cap on earnings? Be careful how you answer that.

China is a huge trade market for us. Approximately 2.6 million US jobs are directly or indirectly supported by trade with China alone. If we stop trading with every dictatorship and communist country in the world, our economy would likely collapse.

We could take advantage of untapped manufacturing/consumer markets right in our own backyard. South America and Cuba hold plenty of promise. We could also stem illegal immigration by creating prosperity south of the border. We would also negate Chinese encroachment by investing heavily in South America/Cuba. China would become less relevant and less wealthy. This would boost national security instead of selling it out for a buck.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

We are impacted and interconnected with the entire world, like it or not.
Maybe if America was what it could be over time we would be the influence on the Chinese people that ultimately helps their government change.
We couldn’t disconnect from the world if we wanted to. For instance, Russia and Saudi Arabia got into a price war on oil dropping the price of crude they produce. We are supposed to be producing all the oil we need ourselves. But the actions of Russia and the Saudis affected the cost of our gas too. Why? Because we are totally intertwined anyway.

As I said in another post very necessary raw materials come from all around the world. One way or the other we are buying stuff from many countries, not all of which are our pals.

 

[iLOVE]

What makes you say we are living the last days of the church age?
I don't believe the bible gives accurate dating on the end of the church age

Israel is God’s prophetic time clock. Looking at this tiny nation, we know that the “fig tree is putting forth leaves and that summer is nigh (which began in 1947-48).” Then Jesus said, “So likewise, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors” (Mat. 24:32-33).

 

[jasonc]

Locally,they are restless

 

[Christ the King]

Israel is God’s prophetic time clock. Looking at this tiny nation, we know that the “fig tree is putting forth leaves and that summer is nigh (which began in 1947-48).” Then Jesus said, “So likewise, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors” (Mat. 24:32-33).

So your linking the reformation of Israel after WW2 to the fig tree... Umm okayyy

 

[Bull of the Woods]

I wonder about Israel today. I know a lot of people who believe a countdown of about 70 years began with the establishment of Israel in 1948.
I don’t know that God hit the timer at that time.
Israel is about as secular a country as any other. Like many of the folks Jesus talked to, they put a lot of store in being genetic descendants of Abraham. Jesus wasn’t impressed.

 

[daninthelionsden]

I wonder about Israel today. I know a lot of people who believe a countdown of about 70 years began with the establishment of Israel in 1948.
I don’t know that God hit the timer at that time.
Israel is about as secular a country as any other. Like many of the folks Jesus talked to, they put a lot of store in being genetic descendants of Abraham. Jesus wasn’t impressed.

Others say the countdown didn't begin until Jerusalem was captured in 1967 and I'm sure there are other countdown triggers that some say are the the authentic ones.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I don’t get that. If we are still waiting for Christ return four thousand years from now then our current time wouldn’t be regarded as the last days.

Umm,.. you never answered my question though. :/

 

[Christ the King]

I know a lot of people who believe a countdown of about 70 years began with the establishment of Israel in 1948.

Others say the countdown didn't begin until Jerusalem was captured in 1967 and I'm sure there are other countdown triggers that some say are the the authentic ones.

Ok i've never heard of these countdowns.
What are they based on?
Surely there is more evidence than the fig tree verse that was given earlier

 

[Bull of the Woods]

Ok i've never heard of these countdowns.
What are they based on?
Surely there is more evidence than the fig tree verse that was given earlier

It’s from Daniel and a prophecy of seventy weeks. If I get a chance I will find a link. Or someone else may.

 

[Bull of the Woods]

Umm,.. you never answered my question though. :/

The doctor couldn’t say anything after dying. I intended a joke. A lot of caregivers have died. There is no mystery about the poor man in Wuhan.

 

[iLOVE]

Ok i've never heard of these countdowns.
What are they based on?
Surely there is more evidence than the fig tree verse that was given earlier

As I stated before:
If the calendars are right, the church is now 1,987 years old. The church began on the day of Pentecost, which was some 33 years after the birth of Christ. So, we deduct 33 years from 2020, which gives us the number of 1,987 as it regards the age of the modern church. In other words, we are living in the last days of the church age, which means that Bible prophecy concerning end-time events is about to happen. As it regards the work of God on this earth, every 2,000 years or every 1000 years something tremendous has taken place. Momentous things most definitely happened at other times, but hallmark events took place at the time frames mentioned.

 

[iLOVE]

The Rapture of the Church could happen any moment.

Matthew 24

“32 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (the Bible presents three trees, the fig, the olive, and the vine, as representing the nation of Israel, nationally, spiritually, and dispensationally); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (is meant to serve as the illustration of Israel nationally), ye know that summer is near (refers to Israel as the greatest Prophetic Sign of all, telling us that we are now living in the last of the last days):

33 So likewise ye (points to the modern Church), when you shall see all these things (which we are now seeing as it regards Israel), know that it is near, even at the doors (the fulfillment of Endtime Prophecies).”

“34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass (the generation of Jews which will be alive at the beginning of the Great Tribulation; as well, it was a prediction by Christ, that irrespective of the problems that Israel would face, even from His day, they would survive), till all these things be fulfilled (there is no doubt, they will be fulfilled).

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away (doesn’t refer to annihilation, but rather a change from one condition or state to another), but My Words shall not pass away (what the Word of God says, will be!).

36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the Angels of Heaven, but My Father only.”


Mark 13

“28 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (symbolic of Israel and the Second Coming); When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (refers to the rebirth of Israel as it began in 1948; for about nineteen hundred years this “fig tree” produced nothing, now this tree, taking life from the roots, is beginning to “put forth leaves”), you know that summer is near (Israel is God’s prophetic time clock; looking at Israel, we now know that summer is near, i.e., “the Endtime Prophecies are about to be fulfilled”):

29 So you in like manner, when you shall see these things come to pass (the beginning of these things predicted by Christ, has already begun), know that it is near, even at the doors (should have been translated, “He is near,” because it refers to Christ).”

“30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass (concerns the generation in existence at the time of these happenings, which will be the time of the Great Tribulation), till all these things be done (speaks of the events proclaimed in Rev., Chpts. 6-19).

31 Heaven and Earth shall pass away (better translated, “Heaven and Earth shall pass from one condition to another”): but My Words shall not pass away (what Christ is saying will come to pass, and without fail!).”

JSM

 

[Christ the King]

every 2,000 years or every 1000 years something tremendous has taken place

So this is the foundation of this belief... ok
I don't agree but at least i know where your coming from