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This for me is an exciting and very Deep study, and I just love that, as it delves into God's "MEAT" of the word and His plans, and challenges anyone who would study, to go beyond just bible translations, or transliterations, to get to things not normally discussed, that has such an impact on the furtherance of our understanding of "Salvation" and the Gospel, that we are to continue to grow in.

We have no knowledge or wisdom when we first become believers. We are just a lump of clay waiting to be "Molded".

For me, salvation isn't about a quick "Wham, bam, thank you man", and I'm saved, like so many accept it to be, but is a wonderfully beautiful and COMPLEX, life long PROCESS, that we are to continue growing in, and in the understanding of new parts of salvation that God reveals to us through constant and continual studies.

Christianity and salvation are NOT something that is "STATIC", it's FLUID, and the process through the leading of the Holy Spirit, guides us in how we stay open to the deeper ideas, and either new or changing ideas and complexities of God on any topic you can choose.
God doesn't want us to stay "babes in Christ" all our lives, and just drink BABIES MILK, in the REVOLVING DOOR of the teaching of the milk, like I've seen in many in their 80's and 90's do.
That's SAD !!
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OK now. Just like salvation which is a PROCESS, the milk of the word is a Process that leads to the MEAT of the word, and there too is a process to grow in, which is the MEAT with different levels of growing in maturity in Gods word.
Just like going to college, we can spend anywhere from 4 to 10 years in school, and in some careers, school is a career long investment.
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Alright now.
The bible teaches that the continual coming into contact with the blood of Christ is VITAL to salvation at the end of life.

THE BASIS FOR THIS ENTIRE TOPIC IS ROMANS 6:3, "KNOW YE NOT THAT SO MANY OF US WERE BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST JESUS , WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS (bloody) DEATH.
The above scripture is the only scripture I can find, that by reasoning through all the following verses, strongly suggests the contact we have with Christ's blood symbolically, has the ONLY power to save ANY OF US when nothing else in scripture does, or can in these contexts.

Reconciled - 2nd Cor.5:18, "All of this is a gift from God who RECONCILED us to Himself through the BLOOD OF CHRIST."

Redeemed -1st Peter 1:18, "You were not REDEEMED with corruptible things, but with the precious BLOOD OF CHRIST."

Justified, Romans 5:9, "We have now been JUSTIFIED by HIS BLOOD."

Sanctified - Hebrews 13:12, "Therefore Jesus also, that He might "SANCTIFY" the people WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered outside the gate."

Atonement - Hebrews 5:9, "...be saved, only through the ATONING BLOOD of CHRIST."

Expiation - Colossians 2:13-14, "(13) "He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (14) having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of charges against us, bringing death, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, (Expiation), BY HIS BLOOD, having nailed it to the cross in Christ."

Propitiation - Romans 3:24-25, "..our redemption which is in Christ Jesus: whom God displayed publicly as a PROPITIATION in CHRISTS BLOOD.

Forgiveness - Rev. 1:5, Acts 2:38, "To Christ who loves us and has freed us from our sins, acts 2:38, BY HIS BLOOD - Rev. 1:5.

Saved - Hebrews 13:12, "And so Jesus suffered outside the city gate, to make the people holy (Sanctified, set apart, saved) through HIS OWN BLOOD.

Finally, how the blood is applied is an ABSOLUTE TO GOD !!

Romans 5:8-10, "God has given the whole world a Passover Lamb, whose BLOOD WILL FULLY PROTECT those who APPLY IT to their lives.
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As you read the Old Testament, God was very specific how during EVERY ceremony requiring the use of blood, and how the blood was to be applied just as God commanded it to be.

In all the above scriptures, each act of God requires the application of Christ's blood through Romans 6:3, water baptism seems to be the only choice we have to honor God in all this.
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Well, I have to get off here and watch the news, as I live in Oregon just a few miles from this once in a lifetime "HOLOCAUST" of 4 fires heading my way. So my truck is packed and my son knows I may be evacuated to save my life, and I am on a standby alert.
The fire has now burned nearly 1,000,000 acres - That's ONE MILLION acres, or 1500 square mile.

Pray for everyone here - THIS IS BEYOND EPIC.
I'm typing waiting to hear it's time to evacuate.:missyou

God bless you all, and stay safe.

My name is OLIGOS
 
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Oligos are you still at home? I haven't seen the news today. They are keeping us up to date over here in the UK.
Keeping you in my prayers.
 
Oligos are you still at home? I haven't seen the news today. They are keeping us up to date over here in the UK.
Keeping you in my prayers.


Thank you Tessa.
Praise God, the home I live in that belongs to God has been spared, as has been my neighborhood, and the small community that I live in. It came close.
The weather has cooled, and the winds have slowed down, and have shifted away from my location, and are moving MUCH slower, and we are expecting rain in a few days also.

The 4 EPIC FIRES are so huge that the experts say they could burn for months until the winter rains and snow come in large amounts, to finally extinguish the 4 FIRES that have so far burned 1500 square mile, countless towns burned to the ground and tens of thousands of homes destroyed. Whole housing developments of hundreds of home are GONE !!
No one knows yet how many lives have been lost yet.
The smoke is unbelievably thick and toxic and has spread nearly 2000 miles nearing Hawaii.
We can only see a few hundred feet. Driving is treacherous so I stay home as visibility isn't good enough to drive safe.
We have to stay inside, or wear special masks when outdoors, as the smoke is so deadly, and is now the worst in the world by 3 times more than any others.

Thank you for asking Tessa and for your concerns and prayers.
We are always in Gods hands.
My name is OLIGOS
 
So true Oligos - always in God's hands, no matter what. Praise The Lord for His love and protection.
Thank you for explaining what is happening.
Devastating! There are no words for it. Blessings and praying for rain.
 
Praying for you and all near to those fires.

I live in in Northern California. Which for a lot of you will explain my position on a lot of things. LOL. Anyway the weather is out of control. Mother Nature is flexing her muscles. I think it is a warning. I think it is possible that the end of the world will come in the form of global warming. I am 71 and have seen a red sky before.

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Susannah
This isn't my FIRST RODEO at ENORMOUS out of control wild fires and terrible earthquakes.
I grew up in Southern Calif. starting in 1947 and saw fires so big they went from Palm Springs to los Angeles.
My grade school was evacuated as we saw the fires come within less than a block from our school, and our neighborhood was being evacuated, as we could see the flames LEAPING a 100 feet into the air from my house.
The sun was completely blacked out, and in broad daylight it looked like early evening at noon.

The end of the world now???

The bible says a lot of specific things have to happen before Christ returns and they haven't happened yet.

But all the signs are there to get ready, as more and more of Gods warning come to pass.

Is it the sign of NOAH before the HOLOCAUST of the flood? - It could be a warning to the world, as God warned PHAROAH during the plagues, and in the end - destroyed.

God bless
My name is OLIGOS
 
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OK. I am Californian since 1948. Ancestors came is 1829. So not the end of the world, but still a warning of some kind. I believe in global warming as a problem. Do you?
 
I believe in global warming as a problem. Do you?


That's politics, and God has already spoken on the process to the "RAPTURE.
He didn't speak on global warming as part of the process, but he does talk about mans ungodliness getting worse, and all the signs we can be aware of, like floods, earthquakes, terrible storms, etc., as Christ's coming gets closer.

This is all part of Gods planning and warning from a long time ago, and has nothing to do with mans "speculations", like you see in the news.

God is in control, and will have His way easily, in the face of us mere mortals who can do nothing but watch and wonder and be HORRIFIED and AFRAID of His power as they see it unveiled, and have no where to hide, like in the "DAY of NOAH."

Is the time near?
It doesn't matter right now to me. I have been preparing for the end all my Christian walk, and have tried to lead people to Christ, which is the ultimate answer to everything this world and satan has to throw at us.

My name is OLIGOS
 
--Christ shed His blood in His death Jn 19:34
--Christ's blood is what washes away sins Rev 1:5
--Therefore man must have access into the death of Christ where Christ shed His blood that washes away sins.
Rom 6:1-7 in water baptism one is baptized into Christ's death where then and only then His blood washes away sins.
--Water baptism is the starting point Christ' blood washes away sins and as long as the Christian continues to walk in the light, Jn 1:7, Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.
 
--Christ shed His blood in His death Jn 19:34
--Christ's blood is what washes away sins Rev 1:5
--Therefore man must have access into the death of Christ where Christ shed His blood that washes away sins.
Rom 6:1-7 in water baptism one is baptized into Christ's death where then and only then His blood washes away sins.
--Water baptism is the starting point Christ' blood washes away sins and as long as the Christian continues to walk in the light, Jn 1:7, Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.

We are cleansed of our sins when we believe and therefore obey the Gospel command to repent.

Remember we have the meaning of repent from Jesus and Paul,
(Acts 26:16-20) as well as how believe and repent works in our salvation. Romans 10:9-10


You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. John 15:3

The word here is the Gospel Message.


How about confessing our sin, and being forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness?


If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9


Let’s be good stewards of God’s word, the whole counsel of God on this important topic, and not try to make everything about water baptism, which is just one of the three baptism‘s that God has ordained for His people.


We already know from the context that was given concerning the
MILK and MEAT of the word that BAPTISMS plural is an elementary teaching of Christ.


For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. Hebrews 5:13-6:3


Other people have experienced the other baptisms and it undermines the unity of the faith to try and belittle their experience with God.

The one baptism by which all must have to be part of the body of Christ is when we are baptized by the Holy Spirit into Christ.
Romans 12:13


In this baptism the Spirit is the Baptizer, unlike water baptism where man does the baptizing.


It’s time for us to come into agreement about this so we don’t have you denying and sowing discord in every thread you are involved in because your denomination has made water baptism “the be all end all“ of the Christian life.


Thank you for your consideration in this matter.




JLB
 
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--Christ shed His blood in His death Jn 19:34
--Christ's blood is what washes away sins Rev 1:5
--Therefore man must have access into the death of Christ where Christ shed His blood that washes away sins.
Rom 6:1-7 in water baptism one is baptized into Christ's death where then and only then His blood washes away sins.
--Water baptism is the starting point Christ' blood washes away sins and as long as the Christian continues to walk in the light, Jn 1:7, Christ's blood CONTINUES to wash away all sins.
It’s time for us to come into agreement about this so we don’t have you denying and sowing discord in every thread you are involved in because your denomination has made water baptism “the be all end all“ of the Christian life.


JLB My dear brother.

Earnest T bass words and doctrine are also my words and doctrine, as to us they are the truth. Our Opinion only.
I see no discord, just a different view that in this country is called "FREEDOM", and anything else is called
CENSORSHIP.

1st Corinthians 11:18-19, (18) "For in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you, and in part I believe it. (19) For there MUST ALSO BE FACTIONS AMONG YOU, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you

I've heard these same words of yours JLB in 4 different men's groups as I expressed my same beliefs.
I was even condemned and called a sinner that was going to hell by all 4 leaders, who were ignorant and bankrupt in their knowledge of Gods word, which I don't think you are.
In those mens groups there was no Loving kindness or kind words of concern, just ultimatums and "Harshness, "spurned on by "legalism and "rule keeping."

To me there has to be room for different views, because that's how we grow, otherwise people stay stagnet in their faith and never move on to the greater things of Christ.
I believe we all need multitudes of options and opinions, and new idea's to spur us on to greater faith


Earnest T. bass opinions aren't listed on the forum guidelines as something we can't discuss, or have to be in agreement on, so I don't see any basis for your comment about "Discord" and "time for us to come into agreement".

You and I JLB, don't agree on many things, and I don't see me sowing discord here with you or anyone.

If you said these things to me, I would be gone in a heartbeat.

I would assume all you want here is the "Tickling of the ears".

Do I need to leave this forum???

SEASONED BY GRACE
 
I am confused. By blood of Christ you mean communion or just the fact that he was crucified (bled) and that makes us saved. I was taught that to be saved We Must Believe In Christ. Is communion and baptism mandatory or just a symbol of our surrender
 
I am confused. By blood of Christ you mean communion or just the fact that he was crucified (bled) and that makes us saved. I was taught that to be saved We Must Believe In Christ. Is communion and baptism mandatory or just a symbol of our surrender


Susannah my sister.
I love the questions and understand your confusion.

I am the "ORIGINAL POSTER", so please go back to my original post and read it over.

For the short answer, in my belief, not something I DEMAND other's believe,
baptism is necessary for coming into contact with the blood of Christ through His death Romans 6:3, and through the contact with Christ's blood at baptism WE ARE not only CONDITIONALLY SAVED, but acquire all 9 things that I listed in my first post, that are not available through any other process but baptism.

There is a very long answer about communion, but I said I would keep this short.
Communion is done because Jesus said, Luke 22:19-20 "Do this in remembrance of me."

My name is OLIGOS
 
Earnest T bass words and doctrine are also my words and doctrine, as to us they are the truth. Our Opinion only.
I see no discord, just a different view that in this country is called "FREEDOM", and anything else is called
CENSORSHIP.

When every thread Earnest seems to be involved in lately seems to turn into a water baptism thread, then it’s a problem.


If you don’t see from Hebrews 6 that there is more than one baptism then I would have to ask why?


I agree everyone needs to be baptized in water.

But as we can see from the scriptures, the narrative that some denominations have is clearly unbiblical.

I have shown this repeatedly, over and over, and it seems to be ignored.

The scriptures reveal the truth, not or own denominational slant.


Receiving the Holy Spirit does not occur at water baptism.


Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:14-17


  • For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

  • Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10, and Acts 19, both show that receiving the Holy Spirit did not occur at water baptism.


The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin when we believe and obey the Gospel.



JLB
 
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You and I JLB, don't agree on many things, and I don't see me sowing discord here with you or anyone.

You don’t sow discord, however when I have a thread about another topic, but it turns into a water baptism thread then it throws off thread subject.

I have run into this lately and don’t want to keep seeing that, because it can tend to be frustrating.


Thats all.


JLB
 
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Earnest T. bass opinions aren't listed on the forum guidelines as something we can't discuss, or have to be in agreement on, so I don't see any basis for your comment about "Discord" and "time for us to come into agreement".

You and I JLB, don't agree on many things, and I don't see me sowing discord here with you or anyone.

If you said these things to me, I would be gone in a heartbeat.

I would assume all you want here is the "Tickling of the ears".

Do I need to leave this forum???

SEASONED BY GRACE


It’s not about tickling ears.

We all have things we believe, that others don’t agree with.

I know I do.

I've heard these same words of yours JLB in 4 different men's groups as I expressed my same beliefs.
I was even condemned and called a sinner that was going to hell by all 4 leaders, who were ignorant and bankrupt in their knowledge of Gods word, which I don't think you are.
In those mens groups there was no Loving kindness or kind words of concern, just ultimatums and "Harshness, "spurned on by "legalism and "rule keeping."

Which men’s group was that?

Here at this Forum?

Why were you called a sinner?



JLB
 
When every thread Earnest seems to be involved in lately seems to turn into a water baptism thread, then it’s a problem.

JLB. You have strict guidelines listed on things not to be discussed, like OSAS - This isn't one of them.
I understand his intentions, and trying to make a point scripturally.

What I see in a lot of discussions, is that people try to use the different verses as a kind of "Sledgehammer", against each others verses to show what is true, but they are using Gods word to show God as being in disagreement with His own words, from place to place in scripture, as if He's a liar.

Why not try to find "UNITY" and "HARMONY", by studying to find the completeness of Gods word where there seems to be confusion or "DISCORD".

Gods word is one complete thought without any contradictions.
Everything in the bible is in agreement with itself.
The only contradictions to me in scripture, are how MAN translates God's word to there own meaning - hence my Greek studies.

God bless us all, as we do our best to be loving and understanding, on this sometimes difficult path we trod
My name is OLIGOS
 
JLB My dear brother.

Earnest T bass words and doctrine are also my words and doctrine, as to us they are the truth. Our Opinion only.
I see no discord, just a different view that in this country is called "FREEDOM", and anything else is called
CENSORSHIP.

1st Corinthians 11:18-19, (18) "For in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that divisions exist among you, and in part I believe it. (19) For there MUST ALSO BE FACTIONS AMONG YOU, in order that those who are approved may have become evident among you

I've heard these same words of yours JLB in 4 different men's groups as I expressed my same beliefs.
I was even condemned and called a sinner that was going to hell by all 4 leaders, who were ignorant and bankrupt in their knowledge of Gods word, which I don't think you are.
In those mens groups there was no Loving kindness or kind words of concern, just ultimatums and "Harshness, "spurned on by "legalism and "rule keeping."

To me there has to be room for different views, because that's how we grow, otherwise people stay stagnet in their faith and never move on to the greater things of Christ.
I believe we all need multitudes of options and opinions, and new idea's to spur us on to greater faith


Earnest T. bass opinions aren't listed on the forum guidelines as something we can't discuss, or have to be in agreement on, so I don't see any basis for your comment about "Discord" and "time for us to come into agreement".

You and I JLB, don't agree on many things, and I don't see me sowing discord here with you or anyone.

If you said these things to me, I would be gone in a heartbeat.

I would assume all you want here is the "Tickling of the ears".

Do I need to leave this forum???

SEASONED BY GRACE

I would love to have a conversation about baptism where my points and scriptures that I have shown, actually get addressed and discussed.


JLB
 
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