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Many desires a "Deeper Relationship" with God. But no trying will suffice. There has to be a Deeper Revelation from God Himself. Because when He gives a Deeper Revelation that is also the Creation of the Deeper Relationship.

In the Deeper Relationship there is a Deeper Revelation of who God is and who we are. Without this it is not possible to have more than we experience.

Presently we are in a Disciplined situation by our Father. We have ignored the warning not to strife. And we are mostly given over to an evil spirit of strife keeping us in Baby Life of God. We are in different groups striving against one another. Some are from "Apollos" and some are from "Paul". And to the Babies of God their "leader" with his doctrine and religion is their basis for existence and not God anymore. And their Relationships have suffered as consequences of their disobedience.


1 Cor. 3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

In this situation there is no more an "closet" Relationship where God is speaking. Where He is Revealing because when He speaks He speaks as the Creator God creating what He say. In these last days of the Word Jesus He reveals more about the Word Jesus. And when He reveals more it is Creation of more of His Life in His Children. Because they have to grow up. But they mostly stagnated at their first meeting with God where they were born again and have not realized that it was just the first encounter and they have to keep the "encounters" Alive for more Spiritual Growth. We got born again when God spoke the first time to us and likewise we can only grow with more speaking of God to us individually in our "closet"

1 Peter 1
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Peter 2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

As result of this negligence they are not depending on relgion and doctrine to give growht. But it does not have what it takes.

Mat. 15
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me withtheir lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

And Baby Life stays. What is witnessed in Jesus between the Son and the Father stay far away. But it was given. But never received.

John 17
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
 
For a Deeper Relationship a Deeper Revelation is necessary. Many have received much from the Word that God spoke in Jesus. They received His Compassion, His Love, His Peace, His Grace, His Righteousness, His Holiness, His Mind.

What is still left is the Utmost. His Fullness.

Eph. 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children,

Some are ready to venture into Perfection. They are past the "basics".

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
 
Mat. 15
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me withtheir lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
This is what a lot of people are doing in church, only truly loving God and following his commands and not feeling morally right is the key.
 
This is what a lot of people are doing in church, only truly loving God and following his commands and not feeling morally right is the key.
Actually the religions and doctrines taught in the "Baby churches" are spoken against here. They are keeping those that want to grow up to Perfection from doing that. Perfection or Fullness are not taught because those teaching in the churches are "Babies" themselves.


Luke 6
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
 
What is still left is the Utmost. His Fullness.

Great topic Johan filled with so much truth.

Christ fullness is found in those who begin with the desire, the sincere milk of the word and venture into the fullness of Christ through God's word in what Jesus has already taught. As we develop a closer personal relationship with Christ and fellowship with Him and the Father the more that we once saw as mysteries become revelations of the fullness of Christ by the indwelling Holy Spirit that opens our Spiritual ears and eyes to receive the deeper mysteries as we search and study His word. We can't find this in religions nor through the doctrines of man, but only through the doctrines of Christ for what has already been written. The carnal mind can not receive that of what the Spirit of God is teaching us.


1 Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1 Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
 
Great topic Johan filled with so much truth.

I believe the time is ripe for the Word on the Fullness to be accepted by some. But many will reject it of course. As they are not ready yet.

Christ fullness is found in those who begin with the desire, the sincere milk of the word and venture into the fullness of Christ through God's word in what Jesus has already taught.
Yep. Those that has been drinking Milk are ready for the Meat. They desire it. They want more. They want the "Fullness" of the Word. Or the Perfection of the Word. The Full Christ.

As we develop a closer personal relationship with Christ and fellowship with Him and the Father the more that we once saw as mysteries become revelations of the fullness of Christ by the indwelling Holy Spirit that opens our Spiritual ears and eyes to receive the deeper mysteries as we search and study His word.

I agree that the Fullness of the Word will have at its heart the Fullness of Relationship with God. Because the Child of God that wants the Fullness wants a closer walk with God. He wants more intimacy with God. He wants more Love for God. He wants to Experience more of God in His Life everyday.

Further will this Word be New. And it can only be "verified" in our "closet". Without this fundamental Truth it will be rejected. Only God in our "closet" will confirm it. As the Children knows now the Voice of God this will be their assistance when the Word comes. This is very important because rejecting the Fullness of Christ will just keep us Babies. And we can not allow for our mind to force us into rejection of it without God having explicitly told us to do it. This Word has to be accepted or rejected by God's Judgment in our "closet".

1 Tess. 5
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.


We can't find this in religions nor through the doctrines of man, but only through the doctrines of Christ for what has already been written. The carnal mind can not receive that of what the Spirit of God is teaching us.

I agree. This Word will be the Word of Christ. There is none other Word. But it will come in the form of a "prophesy". New. As True "prophesy" is prophesying on something that does not exist in the mind of man yet.

1 Cor. 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

It will be True "Prophesying on Jesus" and not on something else.

Rev. 19
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

It is this kind of "prophesy" that God is talking about when He placed such emphasis on "prophesies".

1 Cor. 14
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

This "prophesying" will bring about Perfection because it will be Perfect. It will bring the Fullness of the Life of Jesus because it will be "Full". It will bring everything that is still lacking in our Christians Life and Relationship.
 
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So let us chat on the Word that Fulfill all of what has been spoken up to now. Which has in itself the Ability to bring about the Fullness of the Relationship of God and His Children. The Perfection many desires.

It is all in the Word and the Revelation of the Perfect Word of God. This Perfect Word, Jesus was spoken and manifested by God Himself.

John 1
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

And Jesus became the Word. Alive by the Soul of God.

And the Word or Jesus was now the Body of God the Creator who created that Body for Himself. In this Body He became our Father.

John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Our Father was the Life or the Soul of the Word. He spoke and manifest the Word on the Son. The Word is the Word of the Creator God by which He created the Son, Jesus. Because our Father actually did everything. "the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works".

The Word was spoken and manifested by the Creator to Create the Father Son Relationship. In this Word God became The Father.

The Creator became our Father in Jesus. And by this Word on Jesus the Creator create now the Real Father and Son Relationship. By His death and resurrection we died and are born again as His Beloved Son, Jesus.

Rom 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

God spoke and manifested the Perfect Word to do it Perfectly. He took us with Him into the grave and gave a Perfect death to our weak sinful Adam life. The death was 100%. And when He raised from the Grave our Father gave birth to the Perfect Child/Son/Jesus by His Resurrection. We are born from Him as his Son, Jesus. The Beloved Son He wants. The Perfect Son He desires.

He saved us Perfectly. By giving us a Perfect Life in the Place of our weak sinners dead Adam life. Born of Him. His Perfect Child, Jesus.

And thus the Perfect Relationship is Established. In Faith. Where God died to save us from the dead Adam being and restored us into the Name and Life above all. As a Perfect God is able to do. With a Perfect Word.

And in the Word we find our cross too. We have to accept our death and our Perfect New Life of Jesus. We have to die and be born again by the Perfect Word to be the Perfect Son that our Father spoke and manifested in the Word Himself. We have to give ourselves for this Love of our Father. We have to get Revelation from Him in our "closet" about this Great Love of Him to us. Because we can not accept "second best". He is not the Father of "second best".

This is the reason why God said to come to Him in the Name of Jesus. Because we need to enter into the Perfection. God gave a Perfect Word. But we are the problem. We take so long to accept. We have so many other things to do and so little time for our Father in our "closet".

In entering in our New Name and Life we become the Living Word. Created by the Spoken Word. We are the Real Son. In us the Real Father and Son Relationship is created by the Word on the Son and Father that we met with in Scripture. And when we look and accept in Faith the Power of the Word in God's Faith then that Word creates exactly what have been manifested by the Father in the Son in Scripture. Which is the spoken Word.

2 Cor. 3
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

And the Creator God and the Creation of the Word say together. It is Good. Just as it was in the beginning. Perfect.

Gen. 1
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
 
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We will never be perfect until this corruptible puts on incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality, 2 Corinthians 15:50-58.

For now the fullness of Christ can only be found in His body that makes up the head of His true church. The fullness of Christ is His love for His true church. Not everyone who calls them self a Christian are part of that fullness as they deceive themselves in believing lies as they have not that deeper relationship with Christ.

Ephesians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 
We will never be perfect until this corruptible puts on incorruption, and this mortal puts on immortality, 2 Corinthians 15:50-58.
That seems to be searhing for ones physical death as the means to Perfection?


For now the fullness of Christ can only be found in His body that makes up the head of His true church. The fullness of Christ is His love for His true church. Not everyone who calls them self a Christian are part of that fullness as they deceive themselves in believing lies as they have not that deeper relationship with Christ.

Ephesians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Sure. When you remember that your body is that.

1 Cor. 6
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

But of course you do need a second person to be the Full Church.

Mat. 18
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Because there is a second command too. Love your "neighbor". And Personal Relationships is what it is all about. To God and the one in which presence you are at any one specific moment.

Meaning practically that it is now in this reply about me and you. Finding Perfection Together. And being the Light of the Fullness of God.
 
That seems to be searhing for ones physical death as the means to Perfection?

2 Corinthians 15:50-58 happens on the last day when Christ returns. Those who are in their grave will be resurrected that day and they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29; 6:40.

1 John 3:2 None of us knows, dead or alive, what we will look like on that day, but those who are Christ own will be as Christ is on that day. Then we will eternally be in the fullness of Christ in the New Jerusalem.

Sure. When you remember that your body is that.

It's not our flesh that is the Temple of God, but it being our spirit inner man Through the regeneration of the Spiritual rebirth.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Romans 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.


Meaning practically that it is now in this reply about me and you. Finding Perfection Together. And being the Light of the Fullness of God.

We can only find perfection in the fullness of Christ who by His Holy Spirit perfects us daily as the deeper fellowship we have with the Light the more we strive for that perfection that is in Christ, 1 John chapter 2
 
I deepen my relationship through obedience. I love God so much that is pleases me to obey him in all things. In return he sends the Holy Spirit me to guide and comfort me.

I also have a list of disciplines that deepen my relationship with God.

1. Meditation
Get quiet and listen to God.

2. Prayer
Talk to God (out loud or in your head) as if you were talking to a close, personal friend.

3. Humility
God is a higher power. You are a lesser power. You know this. You are humbled by it.

4. Study
Read, write, learn, listen.

5. Simplicity
Slow down. Experience and appreciate the simple things in life—nature, music, friends.

6. Solitude
Take some time to be alone and listen to your own inner music. Putter around your nest.

7. Submission
Surrender everything to God—as you understand God.

8. Service
Reach out to people in need and give of yourself and your resources.

9. Confession
Find someone you can trust and confide your deepest, darkest secrets to them.
Release the shame.

10. Worship
Be in awe of your Higher Power. Bow your head—metaphorically or literally.
Be thankful for the grace that has been freely given to you.

11. Celebration
Be grateful! Raise your hands in joy and celebration. Sing, dance and be merry.

12. Guidance
Work with a mentor who is in constant contact God.​
 
2 Corinthians 15:50-58 happens on the last day when Christ returns. Those who are in their grave will be resurrected that day and they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, John 5:28, 29; 6:40.

1 John 3:2 None of us knows, dead or alive, what we will look like on that day, but those who are Christ own will be as Christ is on that day. Then we will eternally be in the fullness of Christ in the New Jerusalem.

This is the Bodily Perfection. Where our physical bodies are replaced by our Spiritual bodies.

1 Cor. 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


But in the Word we have Spiritual Perfection. This is our Godly Character Perfected.

2 Peter 1

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neitherbe barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
This is the Bodily Perfection. Where our physical bodies are replaced by our Spiritual bodies.

1 Cor. 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


But in the Word we have Spiritual Perfection. This is our Godly Character Perfected.

2 Peter 1

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neitherbe barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I agree as we have to set our sights on Christ crucified that is our perfection as we put on His word of righteousness as God purifies our spirit.
 
I agree as we have to set our sights on Christ crucified that is our perfection as we put on His word of righteousness as God purifies our spirit.
Yep. We put on the Righteousness of Christ. And in the same way we can put on His Perfection too. This has to do with putting on His Name. Because the Name has to do with who you are. Your Identity. So we put His Name in the place of our human names. Just as we put on His Righteousness in the place of our sinners life. And His Identity in the place of ours. Totally.

And first of all it manifests in our inner room. Sitting in front of our Father and allowing Him to Create the Reality of this. Just as He created the Reality of our Righteousness. To be our benefit in our Relationship first and foremost in His Presence.
 
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