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Okay, all of the Bible is inspired by God. All of the Bible is Scripture, both books and individual verses.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God... 2 Timothy 3:16a KJV
 
Michael74 said:
Okay, all of the Bible is inspired by God. All of the Bible is Scripture, both books and individual verses.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God... 2 Timothy 3:16a KJV
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But the New Testament wasn't written when Paul penned this to Timothy.

Well parts of the New weren't written but they really weren't assembled yet until around 70- 90 AD ...about ten years after Mark penned Peter's stories into a collection now known as the Gospel of Mark.

So Paul, aware of the circulation of his own letters, still didn't think of them as scripture. (Who would?) He must have been referring to the Tenakh or Old Testament.
 
2 Peter 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
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This seems to suggest Paul's writings were considered "other Scriptures." This is one reason why some reject the Epistle of 2 Peter.
 
jocor said:
2 Peter 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
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This seems to suggest Paul's writings were considered "other Scriptures." This is one reason why some reject the Epistle of 2 Peter.
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OK. But its a different time and culture. There were levels of "writings"/scriptures.
Like Torah vx Tenakh. And then commentaries and talmud.
 
I agree with much of both views on this. But, the question DOES arise... where, how, and when would a person make a distinction and decision on exactly WHAT the words in the Black Book they might be reading at the moment, should be considered to be?
 
Truth is the line of distinction.

Even Jesus used selections of passages from the Book of Enoch to contain truth even though the book was considered to be fiction.

Truth is truth no matter the source.
 
JohnDB said:
So Paul, aware of the circulation of his own letters, still didn't think of them as scripture. (Who would?) .
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Peter, considered Paul's letter equal to scripture.
2nd Peter 3:16
Notice the context of "other" that you will read in this verse.
Peter is connecting the value of Paul's letters to the Torah.
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"""""""" Paul writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the OTHER Scriptures, to their own destruction.""""
 
JohnDB said:
So Paul, aware of the circulation of his own letters, still didn't think of them as scripture. (Who would?).
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... I think that I too have the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 7:40b NIV

Paul would have considered anything inspired by the Holy Spirit to be completely accurate. So did the early church, which is why they included what they did in the NT.
 
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
(2Co 5:19)

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
(Joh 17:20)
 
I have always heard, read, and understood, that the whole Bible, Old and New Testaments are the Holy Scriptures....This is the definition of the word scripture from the 1961 edition of the Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary. "Scripture n. 1 The books of the Old and New Testaments, including often the Apocrypha; specifically, the Bible: usually plural. 2 A text or passage from the Bible."
 
Chopper said:
I have always heard, read, and understood, that the whole Bible, Old and New Testaments are the Holy Scriptures....This is the definition of the word scripture from the 1961 edition of the Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary. "Scripture n. 1 The books of the Old and New Testaments, including often the Apocrypha; specifically, the Bible: usually plural. 2 A text or passage from the Bible."
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Of course you are correct that the New Testament is scripture. No one, especially me, will say anything contrary to that. The scriptures, Old and New are as quoted in Timothy 3:16. The Apocrypha is another debate for another day.

I was merely saying something about Paul's humility.
 
JohnDB said:
Of course you are correct that the New Testament is scripture. No one, especially me, will say anything contrary to that. The scriptures, Old and New are as quoted in Timothy 3:16. The Apocrypha is another debate for another day.

I was merely saying something about Paul's humility.
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You're right John. I'm certainly not a fan of the Apocrypha, never have been.
 
JohnDB said:
Truth is the line of distinction.

Even Jesus used selections of passages from the Book of Enoch to contain truth even though the book was considered to be fiction.

Truth is truth no matter the source.
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Please share with us some selections from the book of Enoch, that Jesus quoted.

I know Jude did.


JLB
 
JLB said:
Please share with us some selections from the book of Enoch, that Jesus quoted.

I know Jude did.


JLB
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the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the son (John 5:22). the principal part of the judgment was assigned to him, the Son of man. (Enoch 69:27 {68:39})
 
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