Do You Support Capital Punishment? (Death For Certain Crimes)

[Randy]

Where does the bible speak of the testimony of two persons?
I can't remember.

Holiness has nothing to do with our discussion.

Justice has to do with it.

But I've asked two persons already and no one has replied as to what justice means.

Numbers 35
“‘Anyone who kills a person is to be put to death as a murderer only on the testimony of witnesses. But no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

31 “‘Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die. They are to be put to death.

Jesus-You know the commandments: 'You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"

Its therefore lawful however for my country not mandatory.

 

[GodsGrace]

Numbers 35
“‘Anyone who kills a person is to be put to death as a murderer only on the testimony of witnesses. But no one is to be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

31 “‘Do not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die. They are to be put to death.

Jesus-You know the commandments: 'You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"

Its therefore lawful however for my country not mandatory.

I do believe that two witnesses could be just as wrong as one.
I believe the O.P. is correct and too many innocent persons have been put to death.
I have no stats for this,,,but many prisoners have been found to have been innocent after years of prison and a wasted life.

Death is so final.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

But do we follow the government as it is or do we have to adhere to our conscience?
You brought up the idea that God instituted government and so we should follow it's dictates.
Do you believe this or did we just go off-track?

I don't believe we are to follow an evil government or laws that oppose our beliefs as Christians.

And I really still don't understand WHERE or WHEN God instituted a governement.

The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Every country has the government it deserves.

Well in a country as the United States where voters get to vote for who represents them, voters do get what they vote for.

 

[GodsGrace]

The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws.

Agreed.
The CC had always upheld the Death Penatly.
This was a doctrine.
This Pope has abolished that doctrine to make the DP immoral.
Many Catholics are upset with him...not so much for his stand on
the DP, but because he changed/abolished a doctrine.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

"As I suspected, the court is giving liberal OPINION about the death penalty, purely political reasons."___Ernest T. Bass

The issue is not if they are liberal or conservative. The issue is are they correct or incorrect when they said the following?

Start quote.
The state of Connecticut:
It confronted a long, consistent record of unfairness:

"What has not changed is that, throughout every period of our state’s history, the death penalty has been imposed disproportionately on those whom society has marginalized socially, politically, and economically: people of color, the poor and uneducated, and unpopular immigrant and ethnic groups. It always has been easier for us to execute those we see as inferior or less intrinsically worthy."

My view is that they are clearly and obviously correct. Poor people and people of color and the uneducated cannot afford to hire a "dream team" of lawyers like wealthy educated people can hire --- so the majority of human beings killed by the state are the poor, the minorities, and the uneducated.

"Is God ever wrong?__Ernest T. Bass

Tom: I have God on my side.
Bill: No Tom you do not, I have God on my side.
Tom: No Bill you do not, I have God on my side.
Bill: No Tom you do not, I have God on my side

Anytime God is on your side, you of course will always be right in everything you say.

I was not asking about whose side God is on or not on but was God wrong when He instituted death penalty upon people?

Because some liberal judges say something is right or wrong does not make it so. A liberal judge will say the death penalty is wrong while in the same breath have no problem with the wholesale slaughter of innocent, unborn/partially born infants.

God determines what is right and wrong and I do not find in the Bible where the death penalty is wrong.

 

[JAG ..]

I was not asking about whose side God is on or not on but was God wrong when He instituted death penalty upon people?

Because some liberal judges say something is right or wrong does not make it so. A liberal judge will say the death penalty is wrong while in the same breath have no problem with the wholesale slaughter of innocent, unborn/partially born infants.

God determines what is right and wrong and I do not find in the Bible where the death penalty is wrong.

"was God wrong when He instituted death penalty upon people?___Ernest T. Bass

"God determines what is right and wrong and I do not find in the Bible where the death penalty is wrong."___Ernest T. Bass

Ernest,

If you appeal to the Bible to hold and believe that God has instituted the Death Penalty for we who are now living under the guidelines and truths of the New Testament, then you will immediately be forced to advocate the absolutely unthinkable.

. . . . the absolutely unthinkable . . .

How so?

Because the Death Penalty laws in the Bible clearly and obviously do NOT apply to us today here in New Testament times.
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:28-30
Exodus 31:12
Leviticus 24:16

Here is why they don't apply to us today:

{1} "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death" Exodus 21:17

Ernest, do you advocate that people today, in New testament times, who curse their father or mother, must be put to death? The Bible clearly says that they should be put to death. So do you advocate putting them to death here in the 21st century in New Testament times? Yes or no?

{2} If anyone fails to confine a dangerous bull known to gore and the owner has been warned and fails to keep the bull penned up, then the text says that the owner of the bull "must be put to death." {The passage does allow the man to redeem his life with a money payment under certain conditions.} Exodus 21:28-30

Ernest, do you advocate putting to death anyone who has not confined a dangerous animal if he knew the animal was dangerous, and still did not keep the animal penned up? The Bible says put them to death. Earnest, are you okay with doing this? Yes or no?

{3} "Whoever does any work on the Sabbath Day must be put to death." Exodus 31:12

Ernest, do you advocate that anyone who does work on the Sabbath Day must be put to death? Are you okay with this? Yes or no?

Ernest, again if you appeal to the Bible in support of the Death Penalty for we who now live in New Testament times, then to be consistent, you would be forced to advocate the Death Penalty for "anyone who curses his father or mother" Exodus 21:17 and for whoever "does any work on the Sabbath Day" Exodus 31:12 Advocating this would be totally irrational.

Leviticus 24:16
Ernest, do you advocate stoning to death, as one acceptable method of inflicting the Death Penalty today? Yes or no?

Leviticus 24:16 says that anyone who blasphemes the name of God must be put to death and that the entire assembly must stone him to death.

Ernest, it would be unthinkable for we Christians here in the 21st century to advocate and support the United States Government taking people who blaspheme God's name to a place where they would then be stoned to death. But THAT is exactly what the Bible says to do in Leviticus 24:16

So?

So it is clear and obvious that the commands in the Bible regarding the Death Penalty do NOT apply to we Christians today living under the truths and guidelines of the New Testament.



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[JAG ..]

The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws.

"The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws."___Ernest T. Bass

Regarding Romans chapter 13

My view is that the New Testament does not command the Death Penalty for any crime. There is no verse in the New Testament that specifically says that the Death Penalty is either right or wrong, or should or should not be instituted and applied.

Romans 13 says that the authorities (the government) have been established by God and that the authorities do not "bear the sword for nothing." (Romans 13:4) Paul does NOT explain what he meant when he said they do not "bear the sword for nothing."

Paul did NOT say in Romans chapter 13 that God approved of the Death Penalty or that God commanded the Death Penalty. Paul saying that the government does not "bear the sword for nothing" is NOT a clear command from God to inflict the Death Penalty.

The government does not "bear the sword for nothing" can easily mean ONLY that the authorities have God's approval to punish evil-doers. The text does NOT say what kind of punishment they have God's approval to inflict upon evil-doers. One can speculate about this, but there is NOT a clear and certain word from God on this issue in Romans chapter 13. Its all going to be merely personal speculation and personal opinions.

So if you interpret they do not "bear the sword for nothing" to be a specific reference to applying the Death Penalty you do that without any clear and certain Biblical warrant for that interpretation.

Also, to be consistent, you would have to hold that the authorities had to use an actual sword when they applied the Death Penalty. The text says "sword" it does NOT say "lethal injection" or "gas chamber" or "hanging" etc.

So the question is raised. What does Romans 13 say about what killing method the authorities all allowed by God to use when they kill a person convicted of a Capital Crime? My view is that Romans 13 says nothing about the method to be used and therefore says nothing about the Death Penalty.

 

[JAG ..]

The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws.

"The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws."___Ernest T. Bass

Here below is an interesting question raised, in my mind, by the quote up there.

Are we obligated to follow the government when the government decides against the Death Penalty and decides NOT to impose the Death Penalty?

Note these points:

(1) The government is an institution that has been ordained by God as explained in Romans chapter 13.

(2) We are therefore to obey the government

(3) The Death Penalty laws in the Bible clearly and obviously do NOT apply to us today here in New Testament times.
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:28-30
Exodus 31:12
Leviticus 24:16

{4} There is NOT any clear and certain passage anywhere in the New Testament where God commands that the Death Penalty be instituted.

So?

So in light of all that up there, what is the answer to this question?

Are we obligated to follow the government when the government decides against the Death Penalty and decides NOT to impose the Death Penalty?

 

[dianegcook]

Where does the bible speak of the testimony of two persons?
I can't remember.

Holiness has nothing to do with our discussion.

Justice has to do with it.

But I've asked two persons already and no one has replied as to what justice means.

Justice?
Justice for the ones they slaughter.

Gen.4:10 First murder

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto Me from the ground...

 

[Tertul]

Regarding Romans chapter 13

My view is that the New Testament does not command the Death Penalty for any crime.

Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

That looks like a ringing endorsement of the death penalty in the New Testament.

God wasn't silent in the Old Testament, but decreed the death penalty for some crimes. You can't be just a follower of the New Testament and be a Christian, because God is the same then and now.

In the time the New Testament was written, the death penalty was very common by both the Jews and the Romans, not to mention the unjust execution of our Lord. For the New Testament to be mostly silent on it is the same as screaming support of it. It wasn't the least bit controversial, so there is no reason for the New Testament to spend much time on the subject.

I don't hide behind the Bible as some Christians do, throwing Jesus under the bus (such as almost every time a Christian leader calls homosexuality a sin). I'm not at all implying I wouldn't support the death penalty if not for the Bible. The death penalty is the most effective tool in protecting the innocent from being killed or wrongly convicted. And, those who kill have forfeited their right to life.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Agreed.
The CC had always upheld the Death Penatly.
This was a doctrine.
This Pope has abolished that doctrine to make the DP immoral.
Many Catholics are upset with him...not so much for his stand on
the DP, but because he changed/abolished a doctrine.

"The government is an institution that have been ordained by God, Romans 13:1-2. Therefore the Christian is to follow the government unless the gov't enacts laws that contradict God's law then the Christian is to follow God's law. The death penalty does not go against God's laws."___Ernest T. Bass

Here below is an interesting question raised, in my mind, by the quote up there.

Are we obligated to follow the government when the government decides against the Death Penalty and decides NOT to impose the Death Penalty?

Note these points:

(1) The government is an institution that has been ordained by God as explained in Romans chapter 13.

(2) We are therefore to obey the government

(3) The Death Penalty laws in the Bible clearly and obviously do NOT apply to us today here in New Testament times.
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:28-30
Exodus 31:12
Leviticus 24:16

{4} There is NOT any clear and certain passage anywhere in the New Testament where God commands that the Death Penalty be instituted.

So?

So in light of all that up there, what is the answer to this question?

Are we obligated to follow the government when the government decides against the Death Penalty and decides NOT to impose the Death Penalty?

Yes, if the gov't decides against the use of the death penalty, citizens are to abide by that.
The NT does not condemn the death penalty so nothing is wrong when the gov't applies it.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

"was God wrong when He instituted death penalty upon people?___Ernest T. Bass

"God determines what is right and wrong and I do not find in the Bible where the death penalty is wrong."___Ernest T. Bass

Ernest,

If you appeal to the Bible to hold and believe that God has instituted the Death Penalty for we who are now living under the guidelines and truths of the New Testament, then you will immediately be forced to advocate the absolutely unthinkable.

. . . . the absolutely unthinkable . . .

How so?

Because the Death Penalty laws in the Bible clearly and obviously do NOT apply to us today here in New Testament times.
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:28-30
Exodus 31:12
Leviticus 24:16

Here is why they don't apply to us today:

{1} "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death" Exodus 21:17

Ernest, do you advocate that people today, in New testament times, who curse their father or mother, must be put to death? The Bible clearly says that they should be put to death. So do you advocate putting them to death here in the 21st century in New Testament times? Yes or no?

{2} If anyone fails to confine a dangerous bull known to gore and the owner has been warned and fails to keep the bull penned up, then the text says that the owner of the bull "must be put to death." {The passage does allow the man to redeem his life with a money payment under certain conditions.} Exodus 21:28-30

Ernest, do you advocate putting to death anyone who has not confined a dangerous animal if he knew the animal was dangerous, and still did not keep the animal penned up? The Bible says put them to death. Earnest, are you okay with doing this? Yes or no?

{3} "Whoever does any work on the Sabbath Day must be put to death." Exodus 31:12

Ernest, do you advocate that anyone who does work on the Sabbath Day must be put to death? Are you okay with this? Yes or no?

Ernest, again if you appeal to the Bible in support of the Death Penalty for we who now live in New Testament times, then to be consistent, you would be forced to advocate the Death Penalty for "anyone who curses his father or mother" Exodus 21:17 and for whoever "does any work on the Sabbath Day" Exodus 31:12 Advocating this would be totally irrational.

Leviticus 24:16
Ernest, do you advocate stoning to death, as one acceptable method of inflicting the Death Penalty today? Yes or no?

Leviticus 24:16 says that anyone who blasphemes the name of God must be put to death and that the entire assembly must stone him to death.

Ernest, it would be unthinkable for we Christians here in the 21st century to advocate and support the United States Government taking people who blaspheme God's name to a place where they would then be stoned to death. But THAT is exactly what the Bible says to do in Leviticus 24:16

So?

So it is clear and obvious that the commands in the Bible regarding the Death Penalty do NOT apply to we Christians today living under the truths and guidelines of the New Testament.



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Those OT law do not apply to use today for Christ took them all out of the way nailing them to His cross.
But if the gov't today decides to make adultery a crime and thereby put to death adulterers, what would be wrong with that? Where would that violate the NT which condemns adulterers to eternity in torment?

 

[JAG ..]

Those OT law do not apply to use today for Christ took them all out of the way nailing them to His cross.
But if the gov't today decides to make adultery a crime and thereby put to death adulterers, what would be wrong with that? Where would that violate the NT which condemns adulterers to eternity in torment?

"Those OT laws do not apply to us today for Christ took them all out of the way nailing them to His cross."__Ernest T. Bass

"Those OT laws do not apply to us today."__Ernest T. Bass

Exactly correct. So then because "those OT laws do not apply to us today", therefore you have agreed that the Bible does NOT command the Death Penalty, have you not?

The only places in the Bible that COMMAND the Death Penalty {KILLING} are in the Old Testament and you have agreed that those Old Testament laws do NOT apply to us today -- so we have to conclude that nowhere in the Bible does God command the Death Penalty.

So?

So if the Bible does NOT command . . .COMMAND . . the Death Penalty for us today who live under the truths and guidelines of the New Testament, why are you so enthusiastically locked-down in favor of the government KILLING people, instead of giving them time in prison and an opportunity to change and repent? --- and thereby come to the place where they can make a positive Christian constructive contribution to the other prison inmates.

There are several Christian Prison Ministries that have large numbers of born again Christians who are prison inmates and who witness to the unsaved prisoners while they themselves are in prison. And help them in other ways as well. Is that not a very GOOD thing for them to do?

How much importance do you give to Christian Prison Ministries helping prisoners come to the place where they change and repent and come to accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior --- so they can then help other prisoners to come to repent and accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior?

Sinners cannot repent and accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior if the state has KILLED them.

"But if the gov't today decides to make adultery a crime and thereby put to death adulterers, what would be wrong with that?___Ernest T. Bass

It would be wrong because it would establish a principle that if consistently applied would mean that the government would also apply the Death Penalty to fornicators which are all those who are sexually active outside of marriage. This would include all those who are responsible for their actions before the law, such as 18 year old teenagers. Why KILL adulterers but not KILL fornicators? So you are okay with the government KILLING 18 year old teenagers because they committed the sexual sin of fornication? Yes or no?


Abortion . .

Then there is the issue of abortion. You would say that abortion is murder, right? You DO believe that abortion is murder, do you not? Yes or no?

If you say that abortion is murder, then all those mothers from, say, ages 18 to 45 who got abortions are guilty of murder. So? So for you to be consistent with your own principle. you would be compelled to advocate that the state apply the Death Penalty to all those mothers and KILL them. Are you okay with this? Yes or no?

If you want to be consistent with your own principle, you CANNOT apply the Death Penalty ONLY to the abortion doctors. To be consistent with your principle, you would be compelled to apply the Death Penalty to BOTH abortion doctors AND the mothers, say, ages 18 -45 who had their babies killed by abortion doctors.

Since abortion is murder, then BOTH the mothers who got abortions AND the abortion doctors who performed them, are murderers, and on your principle, the state ought to KILL them both.

So now, on your principle, for you to be consistent, you are advocating that the state has the right and morally ought to KILL with the Death Penalty the following:
{1) adulterers
{2} fornicators
{3} mothers who get abortions
{4} abortion doctors who perform abortions

Is that correct?

Do you not agree, that on your principles, for you to be consistent, you would be compelled to advocate the state KILLING those in that list up-there?

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Then this . . .

What about forgiveness? What about redemption? What about the great New Testament principle of LOVE? Why not try to help sinners change and repent?

What is it about KILLING sinners that you find preferable to helping sinners change and repent? And be saved? And to experience redemption? And to repent and come to Love others? So that they can now help others while they are in prison?

"Where would that violate the NT which condemns adulterers to eternity in torment?"__Ernest T. Bass

The New Testament does not condemn adulterers to eternal torment. It only condemns adulterers to eternal torment who refuse to repent.

The Lord Jesus in John chapter 8 had a totally different approach to a woman caught in adultery. John 8:3-4 says "this woman was caught in adultery" The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought the woman to Jesus and tried to get Him to agree that she ought to be KILLED because of her adultery.

Here is how it ended. Jesus said, in John 8:11, "Neither do I condemn you . . . go now and leave your life of sin"

" . . .neither do I condemn you . . ." ___ The Lord Jesus

Question: Please explain why Jesus' approach is not a better approach to the sin of adultery, than is KILLING the adulterer?


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[WIP]

Jag, much of what you are presenting seem to be arguments from emotional positions rather than Scriptural. You keep asking questions that do not require Scriptural answers but would rather identify the person's feelings about the subject. Our feelings have nothing to do with the truth from God. We should strive toward truth rather than satisfy our feelings.

The reason I bring this up is because what you are doing is not going to lead the discussion toward common ground but rather division and that would go against our Terms of Service. Let's try to keep the perspective on the truth of God's word.

 

[Walpole]

As a reminder, God redeemed the world via capital punishment.

 

[jasonc]

"Those OT laws do not apply to us today for Christ took them all out of the way nailing them to His cross."__Ernest T. Bass

"Those OT laws do not apply to us today."__Ernest T. Bass

Exactly correct. So then because "those OT laws do not apply to us today", therefore you have agreed that the Bible does NOT command the Death Penalty, have you not?

The only places in the Bible that COMMAND the Death Penalty {KILLING} are in the Old Testament and you have agreed that those Old Testament laws do NOT apply to us today -- so we have to conclude that nowhere in the Bible does God command the Death Penalty.

So?

So if the Bible does NOT command . . .COMMAND . . the Death Penalty for us today who live under the truths and guidelines of the New Testament, why are you so enthusiastically locked-down in favor of the government KILLING people, instead of giving them time in prison and an opportunity to change and repent? --- and thereby come to the place where they can make a positive Christian constructive contribution to the other prison inmates.

There are several Christian Prison Ministries that have large numbers of born again Christians who are prison inmates and who witness to the unsaved prisoners while they themselves are in prison. And help them in other ways as well. Is that not a very GOOD thing for them to do?

How much importance do you give to Christian Prison Ministries helping prisoners come to the place where they change and repent and come to accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior --- so they can then help other prisoners to come to repent and accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior?

Sinners cannot repent and accept the Lord Jesus as their Savior if the state has KILLED them.

"But if the gov't today decides to make adultery a crime and thereby put to death adulterers, what would be wrong with that?___Ernest T. Bass

It would be wrong because it would establish a principle that if consistently applied would mean that the government would also apply the Death Penalty to fornicators which are all those who are sexually active outside of marriage. This would include all those who are responsible for their actions before the law, such as 18 year old teenagers. Why KILL adulterers but not KILL fornicators? So you are okay with the government KILLING 18 year old teenagers because they committed the sexual sin of fornication? Yes or no?


Abortion . .

Then there is the issue of abortion. You would say that abortion is murder, right? You DO believe that abortion is murder, do you not? Yes or no?

If you say that abortion is murder, then all those mothers from, say, ages 18 to 45 who got abortions are guilty of murder. So? So for you to be consistent with your own principle. you would be compelled to advocate that the state apply the Death Penalty to all those mothers and KILL them. Are you okay with this? Yes or no?

If you want to be consistent with your own principle, you CANNOT apply the Death Penalty ONLY to the abortion doctors. To be consistent with your principle, you would be compelled to apply the Death Penalty to BOTH abortion doctors AND the mothers, say, ages 18 -45 who had their babies killed by abortion doctors.

Since abortion is murder, then BOTH the mothers who got abortions AND the abortion doctors who performed them, are murderers, and on your principle, the state ought to KILL them both.

So now, on your principle, for you to be consistent, you are advocating that the state has the right and morally ought to KILL with the Death Penalty the following:
{1) adulterers
{2} fornicators
{3} mothers who get abortions
{4} abortion doctors who perform abortions

Is that correct?

Do you not agree, that on your principles, for you to be consistent, you would be compelled to advocate the state KILLING those in that list up-there?

________

Then this . . .

What about forgiveness? What about redemption? What about the great New Testament principle of LOVE? Why not try to help sinners change and repent?

What is it about KILLING sinners that you find preferable to helping sinners change and repent? And be saved? And to experience redemption? And to repent and come to Love others? So that they can now help others while they are in prison?

"Where would that violate the NT which condemns adulterers to eternity in torment?"__Ernest T. Bass

The New Testament does not condemn adulterers to eternal torment. It only condemns adulterers to eternal torment who refuse to repent.

The Lord Jesus in John chapter 8 had a totally different approach to a woman caught in adultery. John 8:3-4 says "this woman was caught in adultery" The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought the woman to Jesus and tried to get Him to agree that she ought to be KILLED because of her adultery.

Here is how it ended. Jesus said, in John 8:11, "Neither do I condemn you . . . go now and leave your life of sin"

" . . .neither do I condemn you . . ." ___ The Lord Jesus

Question: Please explain why Jesus' approach is not a better approach to the sin of adultery, than is KILLING the adulterer?


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So if by,your logic since its about Forgiveness then none ,not one criminal who has been forgiven by,the victim,should see time .

Jesus when he forgives commutes the sentence upon himself the defendant doesn't serve his due time.

Meaning death ,and punishment in he'll.

 

[Randy]

I do believe that two witnesses could be just as wrong as one.
I believe the O.P. is correct and too many innocent persons have been put to death.
I have no stats for this,,,but many prisoners have been found to have been innocent after years of prison and a wasted life.

Death is so final.

More than one witness is required in order to be lawful. So its two or more witnesses.

Does the penalty of a crime cause a trial to be unfair?

In regard to Jesus's witness He stated He was one witness and the Father was the other witness.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, if the gov't decides against the use of the death penalty, citizens are to abide by that.
The NT does not condemn the death penalty so nothing is wrong when the gov't applies it.

So you believe that because the N.T. does NOT state something is wrong...
that makes it be right?

 

[GodsGrace]

More than one witness is required in order to be lawful. So its two or more witnesses.

Does the penalty of a crime cause a trial to be unfair?

In regard to Jesus's witness He stated He was one witness and the Father was the other witness.

I lost you at the bakery.

You're not listing verses and I can't follow your reasoning.
Was Jesus speaking about Him being one witness and the Father another witness in regards to the death penaly?

And what does your question mean regarding the penalty of a crime making a trial unfair????