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No one can say how old the earth is as even science can not agree with its age using carbon dating. It might be possible to date the generations of man if we backtrack through all the generations ending with Adam, but that would seem impossible since all of us are that generation of Adam. We could even try to use the timeline of Noah and the flood, but yet that will bring no conclusion.

Moses give us the account of the creation events of God in Genesis Chapter 1,2 before God created man, but there is no evidence anywhere in scripture how long each day was or how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1-31; 2:1-3 we read the first six accounts of creation as each part that was finished God saw that it was good as the evening and morning only numbered the days it took, but gives no actual timing of how long each day could have been. I believe each day from evening to morning are only symbolic of a certain length of time it took God to create the heaven and the earth before He created man as God's timing is not the same as our timing, Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

God calls each day by number from day one to day six as being evening and morning, but on the seventh day Moses only mentions the word day, but no closing of it as in evening. It was only called a day that God rested from all His work. God set it apart as a day (time) of rest as it has no ending like that of the time of rest when God ushers down the new Jerusalem, Rev 21 and we will have eternal rest without end. There is no mention of it being a Sabbath day rest, but only a day that God set apart as all His work was finished. The seventh day of rest has no ending and if we read Hebrews 4:1-10 this will teach us what Gods day of rest is for those who are faithful to Him and walk in obedience.

Strong's Exhausted Concordance;

The Hebrew word "yowm", Hebrew #3117, translated "day" in English means a day from sunrise to sunset, a space of time defined by an associated term, season, a process of time as in other times (day)

The Hebrew word "ereb", Hebrew #6153, translated "evening" also means dusk, evening, night.

The Hebrew word "boqer", Hebrew #1242, translated "morning" also means dawn, breaking of day, morning with possible metaphoric usage. Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. The intended meaning of the word should be determined from the context.
 
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yabba, dabba, do :lol couldn't resist.

How do we know that God might have created others before Adam, but it repented Him that He created them and destroyed them as there was no Noah found among them, Genesis 6:6-8. Another thing I ponder is when God told Adam to replenish the earth, Genesis 1:28, as why would it say replenish instead of plenish the earth. Just odd things I pick up at times.
 
In the last three weeks, I have actually spent three hours of my life listening to Young Earth Christian apologists, all from Answers In Genesis, defend a 6,000-year-old earth on The Christian Worldview, a radio program that I often enjoy. Notwithstanding the supposed "science" the YEC cite, mostly in hopes of raising the bar to a level where their claims don't seem completely and utterly nonsensical, the reality is that the YEC position is almost entirely grounded in a particular interpretation of the Bible. The host, David Wheaton, asserted that even a "flexible" Christian could not believe in an earth older than about 6,500 years. Really? Watch me, pal.

I believe that God gave us intellectual and analytical abilities for a reason. He created a universe susceptible to investigation and analysis for a reason. Every scientist in every scientific discipline this side of Answers In Genesis believes the earth is billions of years old. It is as easy to prove the earth is eons older than 6,000 years as it is to prove it is not flat. Moreover, there is nothing in the Genesis account that compels the interpretation the YEC give to it. Ergo, I believe the earth is billions of years old and that Genesis does an amazing job of describing a systematic account of creation that is far more profound than the typical ancient creation myth. But Genesis is neither history nor science.

As I have said on other threads, I believe that those who insist on a young earth are forced to live in a state of cognitive dissonance. They rely on their own intellectual and analytical abilities, and on the best work from the scientific disciplines, in every area of their lives every day. But when it comes to the age of the earth, suddenly believing in a 6,000-year-old planet becomes a matter of faith, a litmus test for whether one is a real Christian.

It is my personal opinion that NO ONE, including the good folks at Answers In Genesis, actually believes the earth is anything like 6,000 years old. It's kind of a game, a line in the sand, a way to set oneself apart from those whose faith is supposedly not as strong and to bond with a little community whose members revel in being "different" and "spiritually superior."
 
In the last three weeks, I have actually spent three hours of my life listening to Young Earth Christian apologists, all from Answers In Genesis, defend a 6,000-year-old earth on The Christian Worldview, a radio program that I often enjoy. Notwithstanding the supposed "science" the YEC cite, mostly in hopes of raising the bar to a level where their claims don't seem completely and utterly nonsensical, the reality is that the YEC position is almost entirely grounded in a particular interpretation of the Bible. The host, David Wheaton, asserted that even a "flexible" Christian could not believe in an earth older than about 6,500 years. Really? Watch me, pal.

I believe that God gave us intellectual and analytical abilities for a reason. He created a universe susceptible to investigation and analysis for a reason. Every scientist in every scientific discipline this side of Answers In Genesis believes the earth is billions of years old. It is as easy to prove the earth is eons older than 6,000 years as it is to prove it is not flat. Moreover, there is nothing in the Genesis account that compels the interpretation the YEC give to it. Ergo, I believe the earth is billions of years old and that Genesis does an amazing job of describing a systematic account of creation that is far more profound than the typical ancient creation myth. But Genesis is neither history nor science.

As I have said on other threads, I believe that those who insist on a young earth are forced to live in a state of cognitive dissonance. They rely on their own intellectual and analytical abilities, and on the best work from the scientific disciplines, in every area of their lives every day. But when it comes to the age of the earth, suddenly believing in a 6,000-year-old planet becomes a matter of faith, a litmus test for whether one is a real Christian.

It is my personal opinion that NO ONE, including the good folks at Answers In Genesis, actually believes the earth is anything like 6,000 years old. It's kind of a game, a line in the sand, a way to set oneself apart from those whose faith is supposedly not as strong and to bond with a little community whose members revel in being "different" and "spiritually superior."

I believe what Jesus believed, do you believe Jesus knew all his paternal genealogy named back to Adam through both his mother and his legal but not biological father Joseph ? I'm glad when the Lord saved me he took that evolution monkey off my back :lol
 
No one can say how old the earth is as even science can not agree with its age using carbon dating. It might be possible to date the generations of man if we backtrack through all the generations ending with Adam, but that would seem impossible since all of us are that generation of Adam. We could even try to use the timeline of Noah and the flood, but yet that will bring no conclusion.

Moses give us the account of the creation events of God in Genesis Chapter 1,2 before God created man, but there is no evidence anywhere in scripture how long each day was or how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1-31; 2:1-3 we read the first six accounts of creation as each part that was finished God saw that it was good as the evening and morning only numbered the days it took, but gives no actual timing of how long each day could have been. I believe each day from evening to morning are only symbolic of a certain length of time it took God to create the heaven and the earth before He created man as God's timing is not the same as our timing, Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

God calls each day by number from day one to day six as being evening and morning, but on the seventh day Moses only mentions the word day, but no closing of it as in evening. It was only called a day that God rested from all His work. God set it apart as a day (time) of rest as it has no ending like that of the time of rest when God ushers down the new Jerusalem, Rev 21 and we will have eternal rest without end. There is no mention of it being a Sabbath day rest, but only a day that God set apart as all His work was finished. The seventh day of rest has no ending and if we read Hebrews 4:1-10 this will teach us what Gods day of rest is for those who are faithful to Him and walk in obedience.

Strong's Exhausted Concordance;

The Hebrew word "yowm", Hebrew #3117, translated "day" in English means a day from sunrise to sunset, a space of time defined by an associated term, season, a process of time as in other times (day)

The Hebrew word "ereb", Hebrew #6153, translated "evening" also means dusk, evening, night.

The Hebrew word "boqer", Hebrew #1242, translated "morning" also means dawn, breaking of day, morning with possible metaphoric usage. Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. The intended meaning of the word should be determined from the context.

Why would I be urged to think the 7th day was any more or less than the previous 6 ?
 
I believe what Jesus believed, do you believe Jesus knew all his paternal genealogy named back to Adam through both his mother and his legal but not biological father Joseph ? I'm glad when the Lord saved me he took that evolution monkey off my back :lol
I believe the genealogies in Matthew and Luke are pious fictions, but you are welcome to regard them as actual genealogies. I actually find the inclusion of the "genealogy" through Joseph kind of bizarre. Really, I find the notion of any "genealogy" for someone who is supposed to be the eternal Second Person of the Trinity kind of bizarre - but whatever, it's not something I worry about.

Evolution is a separate issue from the age of the earth. I happen to believe something is radically wrong with evolutionary theory, and I would believe this even if I were not a Christian. There's no monkey on my back, either, although I do have a cat that sleeps on my chest.
 
I believe the genealogies in Matthew and Luke are pious fictions, but you are welcome to regard them as actual genealogies. I actually find the inclusion of the "genealogy" through Joseph kind of bizarre. Really, I find the notion of any "genealogy" for someone who is supposed to be the eternal Second Person of the Trinity kind of bizarre - but whatever, it's not something I worry about.

Evolution is a separate issue from the age of the earth. I happen to believe something is radically wrong with evolutionary theory, and I would believe this even if I were not a Christian. There's no monkey on my back, either, although I do have a cat that sleeps on my chest.
You mad because I believe creation is approximately 6000 yrs like the Bible says ? I believe what Jesus believed, you ?
 
yabba, dabba, do :lol couldn't resist.

How do we know that God might have created others before Adam, but it repented Him that He created them and destroyed them as there was no Noah found among them, Genesis 6:6-8. Another thing I ponder is when God told Adam to replenish the earth, Genesis 1:28, as why would it say replenish instead of plenish the earth. Just odd things I pick up at times.
  1. The word translated ‘replenish’ (KJV) simply means ‘fill’ in the Hebrew.
  2. In the English of King James’ day, ‘replenish’ also usually meant ‘fill’, not ‘refill’.
  3. The word ‘replenish’ therefore cannot be used to support ideas about a previous creation, which was destroyed. In any case, such erroneous theories, invented in response to the ‘millions of years’ idea, must hold to the unbiblical notion that there was death and suffering before Adam’s sin.
 
You mad because I believe creation is approximately 6000 yrs like the Bible says ? I believe what Jesus believed, you ?
No, I'm not mad at all. I have an admiration of sorts for the Young Earth Christians, and I enjoy listening to Ken Ham in the same way I enjoy listening to Joel Osteen and lots of others whose views I don't share. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Jesus believed the earth was 6,000 years old, but you're certainly welcome to it. I don't happen to believe that Jesus in his incarnation had any particular historical or scientific knowledge that any other Jew of his time would not have had. I don't think he could have explained the Cambrian Explosion, the Doppler Effect or how to fix a transmission on a 1993 Ford F-150.
 
You mad because I believe creation is approximately 6000 yrs like the Bible says ? I believe what Jesus believed, you ?
Where does the Bible say the earth is approx. 6000 years old?
 
  1. The word ‘replenish’ therefore cannot be used to support ideas about a previous creation, which was destroyed. In any case, such erroneous theories, invented in response to the ‘millions of years’ idea, must hold to the unbiblical notion that there was death and suffering before Adam’s sin.
And so it seems you must hold to the idea that species either evolved or God created new species that eat flesh and dying things.
 
No, I'm not mad at all. I have an admiration of sorts for the Young Earth Christians, and I enjoy listening to Ken Ham in the same way I enjoy listening to Joel Osteen and lots of others whose views I don't share. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Jesus believed the earth was 6,000 years old, but you're certainly welcome to it. I don't happen to believe that Jesus in his incarnation had any particular historical or scientific knowledge that any other Jew of his time would not have had. I don't think he could have explained the Cambrian Explosion, the Doppler Effect or how to fix a transmission on a 1993 Ford F-150.
Ha, I think Ken Ham has painted himself in the corner on a few of his ideas what I've seen of him but he tries, I don't believe the ''cambrian explosion'' is accurate and 2 . Because the great flood is not factored in to begin with .. Jesus would have no problem with a 93 ford f150 unless he allowed it . He fed 5000 with a couple small loaves and fish but cursed a fig tree because it had no figs even though it was out of season ..
 
No, I'm not mad at all. I have an admiration of sorts for the Young Earth Christians, and I enjoy listening to Ken Ham in the same way I enjoy listening to Joel Osteen and lots of others whose views I don't share. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Jesus believed the earth was 6,000 years old, but you're certainly welcome to it. I don't happen to believe that Jesus in his incarnation had any particular historical or scientific knowledge that any other Jew of his time would not have had. I don't think he could have explained the Cambrian Explosion, the Doppler Effect or how to fix a transmission on a 1993 Ford F-150.

hello Runner, dirtfarmer here

I am sure that you have a better education than I have. I graduated from high school and have some college, but no degrees.

These scriptures are the reason that I believe in a young earth creation, but I would say that you probably have heard them before.

In John 5:45-47 said that we could believe what Moses wrote was the truth. Verse 47 states, " But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words."
In the book of Exodus 20:11 it is stated by Moses: " For in six days the LORD made the heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." Do we have any geological, or historical evidence that there were eons or ages where God rested?

Genesis 1:5 God called the light day and the darkness night and this was the first day. Is there any reason to believe that the days of Genesis is any thing more than 24 hour periods?

In Mark 10:6 it states; " From the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

Luke 13:14, " And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, there are six days in which men ought to work; in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day." Is this evidence that the six day creation and rest on the seventh in Genesis is 7 24 hour periods of evening and morning?
 
Years from Adam to the flood , years from the flood to Jesus, years AD since ?
Any reason for the grammatically incorrect question mark? The genealogies are known to skip generations. That is done by the authors for various reasons but those reasons do not include a means of calculating the age of the earth.
 
Any reason for the grammatically incorrect question mark? The genealogies are known to skip generations. That is done by the authors for various reasons but those reasons do not include a means of calculating the age of the earth.

I thought that was due to comparing the two genealogies in Matthew and Luke by folks assuming it was one the same genealogy . The question mark was to indicate what other way could you come to a Biblical supported Earth age .. A more polite way of saying ''duh'' :lol
 
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