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End Times According to Matthew 24 and 25 Part 1A

Mat 24:1-3 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


The disciples draw Jesus’ attention to the beautiful buildings of the temple and Jesus responds with the statement that they will all be totally demolished. Then the disciples then ask three questions.
1. When will the temple be destroyed?
2. What will be the sign of your coming?
3. What will be the sign of the end of the age?

Jesus’ answers to these three questions are not easily separated into sections so that it is clear which of His statements refer to which question. In fact, the answers to the questions describe events which overlap beginning with the destruction of Herod’s temple and concluding with Jesus return and the judgment.

Part of the answer to the first question describes the events of the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE), sometimes called the Great Revolt. It was the first of three major rebellions by the Jews against the Roman Empire, fought in the Eastern Mediterranean. During that war, the Romans took Jerusalem in 70 AD and the temple was destroyed. It was left with not one stone upon another but not before the Roman general Titus entered the Most Holy Place and erected a statue of himself thus fulfilling the prophesy of Daniel 9:23 about the “abomination of desolation”. That prophecy may be fulfilled again if and when another temple is built in Jerusalem. Everything necessary to do so has been prepared and is ready today.

The first part of the answer; “The Beginning of Birth Pangs.” Mat 24:4-14
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
“And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
“Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The signs of the “beginning of sorrows” include:
1. False Christs (This teaching may be why Thomas refused to believe Jesus had risen until he put his finger in the nail holes and his hand into the spear wound in Jesus’ side. He wanted to make sure they had not see a false Christ.)
2. Wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, famines and pestilence. This is the continuous condition of mankind up until today.
3. Hatred of Jews has been a constant experience since the time of Esther. The Romans, after three Jewish wars, developed a hatred for the Jews who were so ungrateful for the “benevolence” of Rome. The 20th century saw the attempt to exterminate all the Jews of Europe during the time of the Nazi rule and, today, the Muslim nations surrounding the nation Israel are united in their desire to annihilate every Jew in Israel.
Hatred of Christianity rose with the advent of atheist communism in the 19th century and became dominant in the 20th century among the atheist communist nations.
4. False prophets have been a constant part of society since the time of Moses. They continue until today with repeated proclamations of when Jesus will return.

5. The end will come when the Gospel has been preached to all nations.

The second part of the answer: The Great Tribulation: Mat 24:15-28
15-20 Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

As stated above, one fulfillment of the “Abomination of desolation” was accomplished when Roman general Titus set up a statue of himself in the most holy place of the temple before he destroyed it.

Note the words “when you see”. This is an indication that Jesus was telling his disciples that they might well be alive to see the destruction of the temple by Titus in 70 AD some 40 years after these words were spoken by Jesus.

The references to Judea and to the Sabbath indicates that the events of which He is speaking are also with reference to the Jews living in Judea at the time of these events.

21-22 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

This passage, again, appears to refer to the Jews of Judea who lived at the time of the apostles and who would witness the events of the first Roman-Jewish war as well as future events. The words “for then” refer back to the previous passage that had to do with the plight of the Jews at the time of the destruction of the temple. But the description of the great tribulation being greater than at any time, requires that we consider such events as the wars of the 20th century during which hundreds of millions of people were killed in wars, revolutions, political purges and the advent of nuclear warfare. These were much greater than the tribulations of the First Roman-Jewish War so, I conclude that Jesus was speaking both of events in the near future and also events leading up to His second coming.

Those days will be shortened so that “the elect”, who go through this great tribulation, are not so overwhelmed by the severity of the events as to repudiate their faith.
 

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What about the wailing wall?
So the end has already come?
 

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As stated above, one fulfillment of the “Abomination of desolation” was accomplished when Roman general Titus set up a statue of himself in the most holy place of the temple before he destroyed it.
Do you have a reference for this act anywhere?
 

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Even if tacticus defiled the Holy place or Holy of Holies the time of the end wasn't in the 1st century. The beast in Rev and the man of lawless in 2Thess are destroyed by Jesus's coming. Zech 14 has the mount of olives splitting in two to make a way of escape from the surrounding armies. That didn't happen in the 1st century and still hasn't happened.
 

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So, if I'm not out in left field, the tribulation period that is the worst, is the last 3.5 years in the 70th week.

(v 15)So when you see the abomination of desolation ....... those in Judea flee to the mountains…….. 21 For then there will be great tribulation.

(Dan 9:27) In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. ….he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end….

So it seems that the last 3.5 years are the times that are so bad that if it weren’t shortened, no one would survive.
I just hope that those like me, who are older with some physical limitations will not have the worst of it. Of course, I'll probably be gone by then.

Or am I wrong?
 

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So, if I'm not out in left field, the tribulation period that is the worst, is the last 3.5 years in the 70th week.

(v 15)So when you see the abomination of desolation ....... those in Judea flee to the mountains…….. 21 For then there will be great tribulation.

(Dan 9:27) In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. ….he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end….

So it seems that the last 3.5 years are the times that are so bad that if it weren’t shortened, no one would survive.
I just hope that those like me, who are older with some physical limitations will not have the worst of it. Of course, I'll probably be gone by then.

Or am I wrong?
The reign of the beast is 42 months that will be the period of the great tribulation. After Gods final warning and testimony has been completed (1260 days) the beast will kill the 2 witnesses as described in Rev 11. Rev 11 a sign that can't be mistaken. The bowl judgments are the last of Gods judgments as is stated in Rev 15. They are the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness. As is stated in Rev 16. At the very end the Lord comes like a thief to destroy the beast and the beasts armies, (visible and invisible), at the great battle of God Almighty. Rev 16:15-16.
 

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OK, we're drifting from the OP which is End Times According to Matthew 24 and 25.
There's no beast in Matthew.

jus sayin
 

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End Times According to Matthew 24 and 25 Part 1A

Mat 24:1-3 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


The disciples draw Jesus’ attention to the beautiful buildings of the temple and Jesus responds with the statement that they will all be totally demolished. Then the disciples then ask three questions.
1. When will the temple be destroyed?
2. What will be the sign of your coming?
3. What will be the sign of the end of the age?

Jesus’ answers to these three questions are not easily separated into sections so that it is clear which of His statements refer to which question. In fact, the answers to the questions describe events which overlap beginning with the destruction of Herod’s temple and concluding with Jesus return and the judgment.

Part of the answer to the first question describes the events of the First Jewish–Roman War (66–73 CE), sometimes called the Great Revolt. It was the first of three major rebellions by the Jews against the Roman Empire, fought in the Eastern Mediterranean. During that war, the Romans took Jerusalem in 70 AD and the temple was destroyed. It was left with not one stone upon another but not before the Roman general Titus entered the Most Holy Place and erected a statue of himself thus fulfilling the prophesy of Daniel 9:23 about the “abomination of desolation”. That prophecy may be fulfilled again if and when another temple is built in Jerusalem. Everything necessary to do so has been prepared and is ready today.

The first part of the answer; “The Beginning of Birth Pangs.” Mat 24:4-14
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
“And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
“For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
“Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

The signs of the “beginning of sorrows” include:
1. False Christs (This teaching may be why Thomas refused to believe Jesus had risen until he put his finger in the nail holes and his hand into the spear wound in Jesus’ side. He wanted to make sure they had not see a false Christ.)
2. Wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, famines and pestilence. This is the continuous condition of mankind up until today.
3. Hatred of Jews has been a constant experience since the time of Esther. The Romans, after three Jewish wars, developed a hatred for the Jews who were so ungrateful for the “benevolence” of Rome. The 20th century saw the attempt to exterminate all the Jews of Europe during the time of the Nazi rule and, today, the Muslim nations surrounding the nation Israel are united in their desire to annihilate every Jew in Israel.
Hatred of Christianity rose with the advent of atheist communism in the 19th century and became dominant in the 20th century among the atheist communist nations.
4. False prophets have been a constant part of society since the time of Moses. They continue until today with repeated proclamations of when Jesus will return.

5. The end will come when the Gospel has been preached to all nations.

The second part of the answer: The Great Tribulation: Mat 24:15-28
15-20 Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

As stated above, one fulfillment of the “Abomination of desolation” was accomplished when Roman general Titus set up a statue of himself in the most holy place of the temple before he destroyed it.

Note the words “when you see”. This is an indication that Jesus was telling his disciples that they might well be alive to see the destruction of the temple by Titus in 70 AD some 40 years after these words were spoken by Jesus.

The references to Judea and to the Sabbath indicates that the events of which He is speaking are also with reference to the Jews living in Judea at the time of these events.

21-22 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

This passage, again, appears to refer to the Jews of Judea who lived at the time of the apostles and who would witness the events of the first Roman-Jewish war as well as future events. The words “for then” refer back to the previous passage that had to do with the plight of the Jews at the time of the destruction of the temple. But the description of the great tribulation being greater than at any time, requires that we consider such events as the wars of the 20th century during which hundreds of millions of people were killed in wars, revolutions, political purges and the advent of nuclear warfare. These were much greater than the tribulations of the First Roman-Jewish War so, I conclude that Jesus was speaking both of events in the near future and also events leading up to His second coming.

Those days will be shortened so that “the elect”, who go through this great tribulation, are not so overwhelmed by the severity of the events as to repudiate their faith.

Jesus was teaching His disciples about the events prophesied by Zechariah the prophet.


Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.

For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
Zechariah 14:1-6

Key Verses:

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.

And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;


It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.



None of these key things that are associated with the Olivet Discourse, occurred in 70 AD.



Jesus was referring to the events of Zechariah and not 70 AD.



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Do you believe The coming of the Lord was in 70 AD?
The destruction of the temple was in 70 AD.
That was in fulfilment of Jesus' statement that not one stone of the temple would be left upon another.
 

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What????
Of course not!
Did you read what I posted in the two OPs?

Yes.


However, there are those who need to hear it clarified, what Jesus was referring to in the Olivet discourse, so as not to confuse the events of 70 AD, and what Jesus was clearly teaching His disciples and us, in His Olivet Discourse concerning the question that He was asked about His coming and the end of the age.


I posted the events of His coming and the end of the age from the prophesy of Zechariah, in chapter 14, in which Christ Himself was speaking through Zechariah about the Day of the Lord, and directly correlate to Matthew 24, and the Olivet Discourse, so you and everyone who reads this thread can understand what Jesus was teaching His disciples, and where it can be found in the Old Testament, so they can arm themselves with the truth, which will prevent them from being deceived by the Heresy of Full Preterism, that is growing in the Churches especially among new converts who haven't studied this doctrine.



Here are the some of the verses in Zechariah 14, that correlate to Matthew 24, in the Olivet Discourse.


Key Verses: Zechariah 14

  • Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You. v.5
  • And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, v. 4
  • Then the Lord will go forth, and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle. v. 3
  • And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley; v. 4
  • It shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light; the lights will diminish. v. 6


None of these key things that are associated with the Olivet Discourse, occurred in 70 AD.


The Point:

The Olivet discourse is about the events that Zechariah prophesies about in Chapter 14, and not about the events of 70 AD.




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The destruction of the temple was in 70 AD.
That was in fulfilment of Jesus' statement that not one stone of the temple would be left upon another.

I agree.


Only it was not in the Olivet discourse, but stated while they were still in the Temple area, while His disciples were admiring the Temple and all the beautiful buildings.


Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you,not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” Matthew 24:1-2


The Olivet Discourse and the question that was asked by His disciples privately, in which Jesus answered in
Matthew 24:3-25:46, starts in verse 3.

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” Matthew 24:3


This is why a whole false theology of Full Preterism has been promoted, because they misunderstand the difference between what Jesus said in verse 2, and where He said it and the context it was stated, and the Olivet discourse, and the context Jesus was speaking, stating in verse 3.

If we go to Lukes version, it can be really confusing if a person doesn't understand that Jesus is referring to Zechariah 14, and not the events of 70 AD.


20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24


  • But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.

This is not referring to the events of 70 AD, but Zechariah 14 -

  • For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;


Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your [a]spoil will be divided in your midst.
For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses [b]rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.

Zechariah 14:1-3


The Lord Himself will fight against the armies that surround Jerusalem, the very armies He gathers to battle against Jerusalem: Not so in 70 AD.


This will be all the nations [The United nations] that will fight against Jerusalem, not the Roman army, as in the events of 70 AD.



I just wanted to bring a little clarification to the discussion, not come against what you are teaching.


Everything you are teaching from the OP is correct, and is an important subject.





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The destruction of the temple was in 70 AD.
That was in fulfilment of Jesus' statement that not one stone of the temple would be left upon another.

Yes sir! :salute



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The Point:

The Olivet discourse is about the events that Zechariah prophesies about in Chapter 14, and not about the events of 70 AD.
That is not correct.
Zech 14 is PART of the Olivet discourse.
The destruction of the Temple is also part of that discourse as Jesus spoke those words after departing from the Temple.
Mat 24:1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple,..

As I said; IMO it applies to the events of 70AD and it applies to events yet to come.
 

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The destruction of the Temple is also part of that discourse as Jesus spoke those words after departing from the Temple.
Mat 24:1 Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple,..
Jesus left the Temple, but not the Temple area.

The disciples were showing Him the buildings of the Temple, when Jesus told them... Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.


You do understand the the mount of Olives is a Sabbath days journey from Jerusalem itself.

They we still in the Temple area, well within the city of Jerusalem when they came up to Him to show Him the buildings of the Temple.


Just because Jesus was outside the Temple doesn’t mean He was automatically up on the mount of Olives.


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