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SO in another thread I mentioned that the temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus comes again and no one seems to know what I'm talking about or else tells me that it is us or happened in 70 AD.

That's not what I was talking about. I thought it was in Revelation but after digging around a little I see that only a part of it is. REVELATION 11:1,2; 2ND THESSALONIANS 2:3,4 is where it's really at. (I haven't been reading this lately and am very forgetful)

The scripture about Israel signing a peace treaty for 7 years is not in Revelation either, but rather Daniel 9:27
 
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Yes, there will be a Temple rebuilt, and it doesn't necessarily have to happen after the Rapture or even once the Tribulation starts. In fact, Israeli rabbis have a plan that they believe allows them to build a temple on the site of the original three (Solomon's, Zerububbel's and Herod's) now, without disturbing the Dome of the Rock, the Muslim shrine sitting on the Temple Mount. The rabbis believe the Court of the Gentiles is the only part of the Temple proper that the Dome sits within. The Court of the Gentiles is an area of the temple complex that non-Jews are allowed to be in without defiling temple grounds.

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The Dome sits on land atop the Temple Mount represented by the portion of the Court of the Gentiles in this illustration in the lower right hand corner and extending just past the gate in the wall on that side of the temple complex.
 

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I don't see any verses that plainly state the temple will be rebuilt.
 
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I don't see any verses that plainly state the temple will be rebuilt.
2 Thessalonians 2 NASB
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [Emphasis added]
For the anticrhist to stand in the Temple of God, there will first have to be a Temple of God. This verse is not a metaphor or figurative. The sentence structure requires the verse to be taken literally.
 

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And of course you have already mentioned Revelation 11 which speaks of the Temple.. and most importantly.. its context concerns the things which shall be hereafter...


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2 Thessalonians 2 NASB
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [Emphasis added]
For the anticrhist to stand in the Temple of God, there will first have to be a Temple of God. This verse is not a metaphor or figurative. The sentence structure requires the verse to be taken literally.
The anti-Christ is a 'spirit.' The TEMPLE is our BODY.

Let's see? Hmmm? Do we have any examples in the New Testament about evil spirits in bodies of people?

uh, yeah.

THOUSANDS of examples.

Must have missed those?

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The rabbis believe the Court of the Gentiles is the only part of the Temple proper that the Dome sits within. The Court of the Gentiles is an area of the temple complex that non-Jews are allowed to be in without defiling temple grounds.
Amazing isn't it.. Revelation 11 speaks to this..

But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

There can be no doubt that Revelation 11 pertains to the future.. The things which shall be hereafter...unless of course anyone would like to explain when it happened in detail.

That just ain't gonna happen.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2 NASB
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [Emphasis added]
For the anticrhist to stand in the Temple of God, there will first have to be a Temple of God. This verse is not a metaphor or figurative. The sentence structure requires the verse to be taken literally.
uhm that happened in ad 70. the image of ceaser

but lets take this literally and consisitanly

the world and enemies will so devasted that the enemies of isreal will be attacked by what? horses and yet retalive time frame the world will see the two witnessness

19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh
so the world will be so devasted in seven years that they will use horses?
 

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uhm that happened in ad 70. the image of ceaser

but lets take this literally and consisitanly

the world and enemies will so devasted that the enemies of isreal will be attacked by what? horses and yet retalive time frame the world will see the two witnessness



so the world will be so devasted in seven years that they will use horses?
Don't forget the bayonets.:eyebrow
 

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the temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus comes again
Why would you think that when He's the one who sent the Romans to judge Jerusalem and destroy it?

And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth." Revelation 5:9-10 (NASB)

If Jesus is opening the seals of judgment against Jerusalem, why would He want the Temple rebuilt?

God abolished the Old Covenant and the Temple rituals and has made us (believing Jews and Gentiles together) a kingdom and priests.
 
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The anti-Christ is a 'spirit.' The TEMPLE is our BODY.

Let's see? Hmmm? Do we have any examples in the New Testament about evil spirits in bodies of people?

uh, yeah.

THOUSANDS of examples.

Must have missed those?

lol
I don't recall any place that says the Anti-Christ will be a spirit, Scripture please.
 

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I don't recall any place that says the Anti-Christ will be a spirit, Scripture please.
Where do you get the 'will be' part from? The anti-Christ spirit was already in action at the time of the N.T.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The fact that 'evil and wicked' spirits were and ARE involved with mankind is written of on nearly every page of the N.T. Gospels.

Jesus 'engaged' those parties quite regularly. The man of the Gergesene's for example had 'A LEGION' (12,000) of them within himself.

There are in fact 'many' such spirits, as John shows us here:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

If we see our own 'sins' connected to the devil, which they ARE, this matter gets quite close to home.

Standing around looking for some other 'man' to be this will be utterly wasted efforts.

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Thank you. However I do have to disagree with you on this. Yes there are evil spirits in the world today active, I know this better than most having dabbled in the occult. I don't think though these verses prove the claim that THE Antichrist is a spirit. 1 John 4:3 is telling us that even evil spirits know that Jesus is Lord and God and will even tell you that themselves, not that the Antichrist is a spirit. 1 John 2:18 is saying that many antichrists are active in the world today. Which I agree is just as true now as it was when this was written.
 

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2 Thessalonians 2 NASB
3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [Emphasis added]
For the anticrhist to stand in the Temple of God, there will first have to be a Temple of God. This verse is not a metaphor or figurative. The sentence structure requires the verse to be taken literally.
Have a passage that says " The antichrist will stand in the Temple of God" ?
 

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Thank you. However I do have to disagree with you on this. Yes there are evil spirits in the world today active, I know this better than most having dabbled in the occult. I don't think though these verses prove the claim that THE Antichrist is a spirit.
Then you'll have to request a rewrite. You admit on one hand that evil spirits are active and then can't connect the dot that the anti-Christ spirit is part of that working, which same was already in action at the time John penned those words.

There is going to be 'no individual man' who is the anti-Christ. There is in fact many people who are controlled by that operating/resisting spirit. Every unbeliever is in fact under the submission of the anti-Christ in their minds.

Standing around waiting for 'a man' to be that does not work when it's in our face every day in most.

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2 Thessalonians 3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This verse was already quote by another, and is very clear that there will be a man of sin and he will make himself out to be equal with God.

Thanks for your opinion smaller, but we must agree to disagree on this point.
 

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2 Thessalonians 3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This verse was already quote by another, and is very clear that there will be a man of sin and he will make himself out to be equal with God.

Thanks for your opinion smaller, but we must agree to disagree on this point.
It was not my 'opinion.' John the Apostle showed us that the anti-Christ was a spirit and that many such were already in the world at that time. We see that same activity to this day in many.

As it pertains to 'man' we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. (too many scriptures to cite)
We are to call NO MAN evil. (Titus 3:2)
We are to call NO MAN common or unclean (Acts 10:28)

If you think you will see 'a man' as the anti-Christ, then you will also have to bring yourself into conflict with the above scriptures and a host of others.

The mystery of iniquity is much closer to home. All have sin, have sinned and sin is of the DEVIL. See an anti-Christ spirit there in that equation?

Nah, I didn't think so. And you never will as long as you are looking to 'some other guy.'

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I have read your post in other thread re this same subject. I do not agree with you and see no benefit to bang heads with you on this subject. I am here to off opinions on scripture and read other peoples opinions on scripture, not debate amongst our selves. In another thread you pointed out that it is the Holy Spirit that must open peoples eyes to the truth, so if I am wrong in this instance and you are right it is his job to correct me, not yours.

As a general statement for the entire board, I hope that when someone tries to leave a discussion like I tried to here the majority of people will drop the subject, not beat an obviously dead horse. If I wanted that type of debate, I don't need a forum online I can get it here in my home town.

Again thanks for your opinion smaller, but please don't engage me again on this subject.
 

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