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SO in another thread I mentioned that the temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus comes again and no one seems to know what I'm talking about or else tells me that it is us or happened in 70 AD.

That's not what I was talking about. I thought it was in Revelation but after digging around a little I see that only a part of it is. REVELATION 11:1,2; 2ND THESSALONIANS 2:3,4 is where it's really at. (I haven't been reading this lately and am very forgetful)

The scripture about Israel signing a peace treaty for 7 years is not in Revelation either, but rather Daniel 9:27
Yes i agree that a temple will be rebuilt. It will be an abomination in the sight of God as well...it won't be God's temple but a temple built for the god of the Jews....:)
Does a temple have to be built?

1Ch 21:18 Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
1Ch 21:19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.
1Ch 21:20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
1Ch 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
1Ch 21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.
1Ch 21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.
1Ch 21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.
1Ch 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.
1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

At the time, there was not a Temple in site. Must a Temple be built? Did not have to be in this case.
 

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SO in another thread I mentioned that the temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus comes again and no one seems to know what I'm talking about or else tells me that it is us or happened in 70 AD.

That's not what I was talking about. I thought it was in Revelation but after digging around a little I see that only a part of it is. REVELATION 11:1,2; 2ND THESSALONIANS 2:3,4 is where it's really at. (I haven't been reading this lately and am very forgetful)

The scripture about Israel signing a peace treaty for 7 years is not in Revelation either, but rather Daniel 9:27
Yes i agree that a temple will be rebuilt. It will be an abomination in the sight of God as well...it won't be God's temple but a temple built for the god of the Jews....:)
Does a temple have to be built?

1Ch 21:18 Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
1Ch 21:19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.
1Ch 21:20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
1Ch 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
1Ch 21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.
1Ch 21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.
1Ch 21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.
1Ch 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.
1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

At the time, there was not a Temple in site. Must a Temple be built? Did not have to be in this case.
What is your point? I simply said that i agree that a temple will be built. A temple has not been built yet so therefore it is not a fact, it is my opinion that a temple will be rebuilt. :)
 

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I'm pretty sure that I read a scripture that said that the anti-Christ can not be revealed until after he goes into the temple and sets himself up as God, and then the abomination of desolation wherein he desecrates it somehow, then he is revealed. I will look for it later.

Meantime, they are talking about rebuilding it even now, and everyone seems to agree that it should be built on both sides, for it will be a place for all nations to come to pray. Recent overhead IR pictures are suggesting that ruins underground are indicating that it does not to be built upon the dome of the rock, but about 100 yds north of it, so that shouldn't be a problem if they do not have to disturb the Dome.

 

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If you want to come to a good and solid understanding of scripture and end time prophecies...

Study the Law. Study the Feast Days. Then work your way into the Prophets. After a while - Revelation will make perfect sense to you.

The major reason why most preachers today don't get it - is because they have turned their blinders on to the Law.
uhm no.i know men whom do believe that and have great understand of the torah. I disagree because I don't believe in schofieldism. I don't believe in the ac, nor the millennium.
 

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I'm pretty sure that I read a scripture that said that the anti-Christ can not be revealed until after he goes into the temple and sets himself up as God, and then the abomination of desolation wherein he desecrates it somehow, then he is revealed. I will look for it later.

Meantime, they are talking about rebuilding it even now, and everyone seems to agree that it should be built on both sides, for it will be a place for all nations to come to pray. Recent overhead IR pictures are suggesting that ruins underground are indicating that it does not to be built upon the dome of the rock, but about 100 yds north of it, so that shouldn't be a problem if they do not have to disturb the Dome.


The Jerusalem Covenant was signed by the leaders of Israel in May 19th, 1993.

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/covenant.html

It basically states that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews.

If a world leader like Cyrus or Artexerxes "confirms" this Covenant, it would allow them to build the last temple.

It was a World Governing King [Cyrus] that caused the prophetic clock to start Daniel's 70 weeks.

It was a World Governing King that caused it prophetic time clock to "pause" and it was a World Governing King that caused it to start again. Ezra 4:23-24

So it will be with Daniel's 70 th week.

He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week...


JLB
 
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SO in another thread I mentioned that the temple has to be rebuilt before Jesus comes again and no one seems to know what I'm talking about or else tells me that it is us or happened in 70 AD.

That's not what I was talking about. I thought it was in Revelation but after digging around a little I see that only a part of it is. REVELATION 11:1,2; 2ND THESSALONIANS 2:3,4 is where it's really at. (I haven't been reading this lately and am very forgetful)

The scripture about Israel signing a peace treaty for 7 years is not in Revelation either, but rather Daniel 9:27
Yes i agree that a temple will be rebuilt. It will be an abomination in the sight of God as well...it won't be God's temple but a temple built for the god of the Jews....:)
Does a temple have to be built?

1Ch 21:18 Then the angel of the LORD commanded Gad to say to David, that David should go up, and set up an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
1Ch 21:19 And David went up at the saying of Gad, which he spake in the name of the LORD.
1Ch 21:20 And Ornan turned back, and saw the angel; and his four sons with him hid themselves. Now Ornan was threshing wheat.
1Ch 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
1Ch 21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.
1Ch 21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.
1Ch 21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.
1Ch 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.
1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

At the time, there was not a Temple in site. Must a Temple be built? Did not have to be in this case.
What is your point? I simply said that i agree that a temple will be built. A temple has not been built yet so therefore it is not a fact, it is my opinion that a temple will be rebuilt. :)
There are those who believe a Temple HAS to be built in order for these prophecies to come to pass. The verses quoted show that a building need not be built for sacrifices to begin and an abomination set up.
 

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2 Thess 2:4 says, -"sitteth in the temple of God".

Any earthly building couldn't possibly be "the temple of God", not since Jesus came! Jesus himself is the cornerstone of the last and final temple, the apostles are foundation stones and we the christians are living building blocks, and that temple is the only temple of God; Matt 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, Eph 2:20, Rev 21:14, Rev 3:12, 1 Peter 2:6, 1 Peter 2:7. Eph 2:21, 1 Cor 3:9, 1 Cor 3:16-17, 2 Cor 6:16. Christianity is God's people, the restoration of Israel is done in Jesus*; John 11:52, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Peter 2:9, Heb 8:10, Rom 2:29.

Back to 2 Thess 2:4:

I believe that there has to come a man that will pose as the head of christianity, a false Jesus, to fulfil the prophecies about Antichrist(AC). That false Jesus will have to be second in command, a deputy, to the AC. He will be the false prophet, second beast of the Book of Rev. (with two horns like a lamb)

Since the false Jesus(prophet) will be the head of christianity and since AC is ranked above him and christianity is the temple of God. AC will automatically, without taking seat in any earthly temple, be fulfilling 2 Thess 2:4 to the letters!

"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.".

AC won't fulfil Dan 12:11 or 2 Thess 2:4 until in the middle(three and a half years) into his seven years rule. Because that is when the false Jesus(prophet) will be inserted.

AC will make a peace treaty with the christians(Israel*) for seven years, at the beginning of his rule. But when the false Jesus(prophet) arrives, no peace treaty with the christians is deemed necessary anymore. Dan 9:27

I also believe that this false Jesus(prophet) will claim that he didn't/don't atone[d] for anyones sins. And that he is not the Son of God. Because that would explain much:

The false Jesus's denial of the sacrifice/atonement of Jesus would be the new testamently equivalent to the old testament statements about the daily sacrifice that is is taken away from the temple.* Dan 9:27, Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11...

This denial of the sacrifice along with the position of this false Jesus(prophet) as 'not' being the Son of God, is explaining Dan 8:13 ”the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot"("the abomination that maketh desolate”.)*

This I said about the AC and the false prophet is even more eyebulgingly interesting when studying the islamic prophecies about who the muslim Jesus(Isa) and messiah(Al Mahdi) are, and what they are supposed to do, when they arrive.

Islamic hadiths(prophecies) say that Al Mahdi will rule the entire earth for seven years. Sometimes during his rule, Jesus will descend, in Syria, carried by two angels. He will be ranked below Al Mahdi. And he will perform miracles. And he will "correct" the christians and the bible. -He was never crucified. -He is only a prophet and not the Son of God.


* 2 Cor 3:14 ”... for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”
 
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A Temple is not going to be rebuilt.
The Dome of the Rock sits in its place and it will be there when the Messiah returns.
One Pope has already done the impossible, enter the Dome of the Rock Mosque.
Another Pope will be able to enter it as a brother to Islam, I say this because Islamic Clerics and Catholic clerics are slowly but surely establishing a brotherhood.
Islamist believe Jesus is a great prophet who will come with the Mahdi at the end of the age to restore all things.
Israel has a secular government. "Orthodox Jews" and others who have plans to build a temple are a minority group with no real political power whatsoever.
The government of Israel has no plans of building a Temple.
 

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A Temple is not going to be rebuilt.
The Dome of the Rock sits in its place and it will be there when the Messiah returns.
One Pope has already done the impossible, enter the Dome of the Rock Mosque.
Another Pope will be able to enter it as a brother to Islam, I say this because Islamic Clerics and Catholic clerics are slowly but surely establishing a brotherhood.
Islamist believe Jesus is a great prophet who will come with the Mahdi at the end of the age to restore all things.
Israel has a secular government. "Orthodox Jews" and others who have plans to build a temple are a minority group with no real political power whatsoever.
The government of Israel has no plans of building a Temple.
You may be right about the temple...we will just have to wait and see. The leaders of the Islamic world and the Catholic world already have a brotherhood...it is called Freemasonry. If a temple is rebuilt...it will probably be Masonic.
 

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A Temple is not going to be rebuilt.
The Dome of the Rock sits in its place and it will be there when the Messiah returns.
One Pope has already done the impossible, enter the Dome of the Rock Mosque.
Another Pope will be able to enter it as a brother to Islam, I say this because Islamic Clerics and Catholic clerics are slowly but surely establishing a brotherhood.
Islamist believe Jesus is a great prophet who will come with the Mahdi at the end of the age to restore all things.
Israel has a secular government. "Orthodox Jews" and others who have plans to build a temple are a minority group with no real political power whatsoever.
The government of Israel has no plans of building a Temple.
Not to be argumentative here, but if God decides a Temple will be built in the end times, it doesn't much matter what the Israeli government, what the Vatican or what Isalm thinks, feels or decrees. It will be built. That being said, it is not imperative that a building be erected for the prophecies to be fulfilled.
 

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I need to ask a question.
I don't understand why some christians believe another stone temple needs to be build in addition to the spiritual temple

1Peter 2:4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-8rejected by men, but is http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-ichoice and precious in the sight of God, 5http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-9you also, as living stones, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-jare being built up as a http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-10spiritual house for a holy http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-11priesthood, to http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-12offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-kScripture : "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-13BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-14PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-lHIM WILL NOT BE http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-mDISAPPOINTED." 7http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-15This precious value, then, is for you who believe ; but for those who disbelieve, "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-16THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-17REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone," 8 and, "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-18A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE "; http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-19for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-20and to this doom they were also appointed. 9 But you are http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-21A CHOSEN RACE, A royal http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-22PRIESTHOOD, A http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-23HOLY NATION, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-24A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-25out of darkness into His marvelous light
 

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Let's start with...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Christ gave this enigmatic sign in response to...

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (age)?

So back to Daniel...

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Anitochus IV Epiphanes desecrated the Temple, stopped the sacrifice, set up a statue of Jupiter Olympus (some call it the statue of Peter today) and sacrificed a pig offering the blood on the altar, making the Temple desolate. Christ refers to this particular event as the sign of the beginning of the Great Tribulation. There is some more detail in Chapter 8...

Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Dan 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

How do we know that this is for the end time?

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel's prophecies were for the end time.

These things are the sign that Christ referred to in the Olivet Prophecy and He directly referred to as being "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" indicating they would be seen at the end in the way that Daniel recorded them. This sign has been applied to the Temple of God as the church but I think that is a stretch. The way Christ referred to it shows it occurs in a literal manner.
 
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Digging - excellent point made. There will be no Temple built. The Bible does not at all state that a third Temple will be built.

Just because a Moslem Mosque has been built over the Threshing floor of Jehu does not make it any less Holy. The mosque just make the rock desolate of its proper Temple. As of right now - that Mosque is an abomination - it is unclean, it is not sanctified by Yahweh. And it does make the Holy site desolate. Can a certain man stand inside that Mosque as a human figure of the Abomination of Desolation .... > Yes.
 

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I need to ask a question.
I don't understand why some christians believe another stone temple needs to be build in addition to the spiritual temple

1Peter 2:4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-8rejected by men, but is http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-ichoice and precious in the sight of God, 5http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-9you also, as living stones, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-jare being built up as a http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-10spiritual house for a holy http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-11priesthood, to http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-12offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-kScripture : "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-13BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-14PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-lHIM WILL NOT BE http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#fn-descriptionAnchor-mDISAPPOINTED." 7http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-15This precious value, then, is for you who believe ; but for those who disbelieve, "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-16THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-17REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE VERY CORNER stone," 8 and, "http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-18A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE "; http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-19for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-20and to this doom they were also appointed. 9 But you are http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-21A CHOSEN RACE, A royal http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-22PRIESTHOOD, A http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-23HOLY NATION, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-24A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/1-peter/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-25out of darkness into His marvelous light
Good ol Darby and Scofield
 

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Digging - excellent point made. There will be no Temple built. The Bible does not at all state that a third Temple will be built.

Just because a Moslem Mosque has been built over the Threshing floor of Jehu does not make it any less Holy. The mosque just make the rock desolate of its proper Temple. As of right now - that Mosque is an abomination - it is unclean, it is not sanctified by Yahweh. And it does make the Holy site desolate. Can a certain man stand inside that Mosque as a human figure of the Abomination of Desolation .... > Yes.
I would suggest a slight amendment to your statement, Ezekiel's temple that is built during the Millenium is the third Temple.
 
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Digging - excellent point made. There will be no Temple built. The Bible does not at all state that a third Temple will be built.

Just because a Moslem Mosque has been built over the Threshing floor of Jehu does not make it any less Holy. The mosque just make the rock desolate of its proper Temple. As of right now - that Mosque is an abomination - it is unclean, it is not sanctified by Yahweh. And it does make the Holy site desolate. Can a certain man stand inside that Mosque as a human figure of the Abomination of Desolation .... > Yes.
I would suggest a slight amendment to your statelement, Ezekiel's temple that is built during the Millenium is the third Temple.
When not taken out of context - Ezekiel chapter 37 and onward are easily understood.

Ezekiel 37 is covering the first resurrection. Ezekiel 38 and 39 is covering Armageddon. 40 and onward is describing the New Temple aka New Jerusalem.

Ah but of course the Millenium. I don't subscribe to it. I see this as one day. Meaning, Satan is bound for one day and Christ Rules for one day. Another way to say it, Christ descends to Earth, ascends the Holy Mount Zion with all of his saints and Rules for one day there. Satan is bound for a day giving world leaders an opportunity to maker up their minds. After a 24 hour period, 1 day, Satan is loosed for about 8 to 9 days. In which he will convince man to turn against Christ, since man will not think he is Christ anyways by then, so why fear fighting God eh? Ezekiel 40 this is after the present system is destroyed.
 
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Digging - excellent point made. There will be no Temple built. The Bible does not at all state that a third Temple will be built.

Just because a Moslem Mosque has been built over the Threshing floor of Jehu does not make it any less Holy. The mosque just make the rock desolate of its proper Temple. As of right now - that Mosque is an abomination - it is unclean, it is not sanctified by Yahweh. And it does make the Holy site desolate. Can a certain man stand inside that Mosque as a human figure of the Abomination of Desolation .... > Yes.
I would suggest a slight amendment to your statelement, Ezekiel's temple that is built during the Millenium is the third Temple.
When not taken out of context - Ezekiel chapter 37 and onward are easily understood.

Ezekiel 37 is covering the first resurrection.
Actually, I see Ezekiel 37 as the second resurrection, the one listed in Rev 20:11-12

Ezekiel 38 and 39 is covering Armageddon.
And I see this as a war that occurs after the return of Christ...

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Here is Israel after the decimation of the Time of Jacob's trouble, after being brought back to the land fomr all the nations they will be scattered in.

Eze 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
Eze 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

Only time this can refer to is at the beginning of the Millenium...

Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Not in this age.

Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan after Lev 16 and Rev 20:1-3

40 and onward is describing the New Temple aka New Jerusalem.
This is the Temple during the Millenium, the one that comes about in Zech 14:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Ah but of course the Millenium. I don't subscribe to it. I see this as one day. Meaning, Satan is bound for one day and Christ Rules for one day. Another way to say it, Christ descends to Earth, ascends the Holy Mount Zion with all of his saints and Rules for one day there. Satan is bound for a day giving world leaders an opportunity to maker up their minds. After a 24 hour period, 1 day, Satan is loosed for about 8 to 9 days. In which he will convince man to turn against Christ, since man will not think he is Christ anyways by then, so why fear fighting God eh? Ezekiel 40 this is after the present system is destroyed.
And on this we greatly differ...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

It really is one thousand years.
 
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I don't see, in scripture, a temple being built. I only see truth being thrown to the ground and the temple trodden underfoot--but a literal temple being rebuilt...I don't find it in scripture.
If "they" want a temple rebuilt ... it would only take a "wing". And as far as I know..."they" are already doing that.

Revelations 20, states that Ezekiel 38-39, is Gog and Magog...which is after the millenium.

Blessings and a good day...
 

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I don't see, in scripture, a temple being built. I only see truth being thrown to the ground and the temple trodden underfoot--but a literal temple being rebuilt...I don't find it in scripture.
If "they" want a temple rebuilt ... it would only take a "wing". And as far as I know..."they" are already doing that.

Revelations 20, states that Ezekiel 38-39, is Gog and Magog...which is after the millenium.

Blessings and a good day...
Happens twice, beginning and end of Millenium...

Eze 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

Literal nation.

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Those of the spirit and thinking of Gog and Magog.

Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

1/6th left.

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

None left.

Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Now Israel knows this when?

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

Israel knows God starting at the beginning of the Millenium.

Happens twice. Took me a while to learn this, but once I did, it put to rest all the little differences between the two.
 

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I agree with seekhisface both are pointing to the one Great fight at the end of the 1000's years. If you look also at the account in Joshua 11:4
They came out, they and all their armies with them, http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/joshua/11.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-6as many people as the sand that is on the seashore , with very many horses and chariots.

I see this as also a type for the final battle at the end of the 1000's years when satan is released.

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