Bible Study Errors of a cult (SDA)

[Gary]

Errors of the SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM cult

MATTHEW 18:23–35â€â€Can one’s forgiveness be canceled once it is given, as Seventh-Day Adventists claim?

MISINTERPRETATION: Based on the Parable of the Unmerciful Servant (Matt. 18:23–35), Seventh-day Adventists teach that one’s forgiveness can be canceled after it has been bestowed. They claim that “the actual blotting out of sin, therefore, could not take place the moment when a sin is forgiven, because subsequent deeds and attitudes may affect the final decision. Instead, the sin remains on the record until the life is completeâ€â€in fact, the Scriptures indicate it remains until the judgment†(Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine, 1957, 441).

CORRECTING THE MISINTERPRETATION: This is a parable, and parables should not be taken literally. They have a point to make, and that point is illustrated in the parable of which not every aspect is to be taken literally. For example, God is illustrated as an “unjust judge†in one parable (Luke 18:1–18), but the point is not to teach about the attribute of God’s justice but that he is merciful in answering persistent prayer.
The Bible makes it unmistakable that God does not renege on his promises. Paul declared that “God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable†(Rom. 11:29 niv). God does not take back what he gives in grace. Many other passages of Scripture teach that salvation is an unconditional gift (John 10:26–29; Rom. 8:36–39). And God’s Word does not contradict itself.

Source: Geisler, N. L., & Rhodes, R. (1997). When cultists ask : A popular handbook on cultic misinterpretations (Page 120). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.

 

[evanman]

Interesting comment--however we should go back into the history of seventh day adventism, Ellen G. White and the imposition of unscriptural rules on people!

 

[John the Baptist]

Interesting comment--however we should go back into the history of seventh day adventism, Ellen G. White and the imposition of unscriptural rules on people!

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That message sounds like the PROTESTANTS of today, huh? '[WE] should go..' Well, what are you & the 'WE' ones waiting for???? And are you & the we ones 'in' this Eze. 37 DRY BONES & DEAD class, of 'inspiration'? Or are you seen as now UNITED as in Rev. 17:5?

Then comes the 'CULT' bible study remark of Adventism being a cult? : See Matt. 10:25 & then verse 20! :fadein:

So? you say that we should go back into the history of seventh day adventism, Elen G. White and the imposition of unscriptual rules on people!

What are you waiting for? :roll:

Perhaps the silence speaks for itself? After just the last 'few' years it does not take much bible study to see that the [documented] protestant denominations + Romes filth, are no better than [your] judgement of Adventism, & E.G.W's. assesment? See Isa. 59:1-2. God WILL NOT HEAR YOU! And Joshua 7:12's last part of the verse states that not only will He not HEAR YOU, but that HE WILL NOT BE INSIDE YOU ANYMORE, [UNLESS].."!! PONDER REV. 3:9 :robot: .

By the way, as a side issue thread thought, let me say that you are now in the time of the 'escalating' of Jacobs trouble. ALL HELL IS NOW BREAKING LOOSE! (so to speak) : Yet, it seems that the 'we' (as your unity suggests)
have not a clue as to why God is permitting this. :

"And the Lord said, [MY SPIRIT SHALL NOT ALWAYS *STRIVE* WITH MAN, ..." Gen. 6:3 (see Luke 12:47 & John 9:41)

---John

 

[evanman]

http://www.bible.ca/7-plagiarism.htm

Just look up this link!

 

[John the Baptist]

http://www.bible.ca/7-plagiarism.htm

Just look up this link!

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So what????????
What did Christ tell His [OWN] to expect in Matt. 10 5-6? And these 'we' ones are not even these ones! :robot:

Come on WAKE UP! Matt 25 ---WHICH ONES ARE THE SAVED IN EZE. 9?
Why did God give perfectly created Adam & Eve the TEST in the MIDST of the GARDEN? And a woman prophtess? See Luke 2:36-38 & Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15, Aw' never mind. :robot: :robot: :

---John

PS: Forum, who but Adventism of 'TODAY' can compare with Israel of old??? See Matt. 23:13. And yet their DOCTRINE WAS A VIRGIN ONE! That was & IS NOT the issue.

Notice this ADVENTIST REVIEW (world edition) -January 8, 2004
Front Cover:
SOW
1 BILLION
A Bold new initiative.

Who in the USA can even 'FAINTLY' COMPARE TO THIS???

And this one, as seen in July 2003 Adventist Review pg. 20-21...

"About one million people join the Adventist church each year---about two every minute" ... "Adventists gave $1.2 billion in tithes last year: that works out to about $23 million a week, $3.3 million a day, $137,ooo an hour, $2,300 a minute."

 

[Vic C.]

Notice this ADVENTIST REVIEW (world edition) -January 8, 2004
Front Cover:
SOW
1 BILLION
A Bold new initiative.

Who in the USA can even 'FAINTLY' COMPARE TO THIS???

And this one, as seen in July 2003 Adventist Review pg. 20-21...

"About one million people join the Adventist church each year---about two every minute" ... "Adventists gave $1.2 billion in tithes last year: that works out to about $23 million a week, $3.3 million a day, $137,ooo an hour, $2,300 a minute."

I could be wrong John, but this looks and sounds a little like bragging or boasting to me. This is not something we should be basing Truth or Faith on.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Also, I see a lot of questions and verses in your post(s) but no answers or explanations. I only bring this up because you seem to interpret and understand scripture a bit different that most of us do. If you are here to teach, by all means, teach! Tell us what you are trying to convey to us. Don't just leave us with a "Aw' never mind." We are not the aliens you think us to be. : Well, most of us. :

 

[John the Baptist]

Notice this ADVENTIST REVIEW (world edition) -January 8, 2004
Front Cover:
SOW
1 BILLION
A Bold new initiative.

Who in the USA can even 'FAINTLY' COMPARE TO THIS???

And this one, as seen in July 2003 Adventist Review pg. 20-21...

"About one million people join the Adventist church each year---about two every minute" ... "Adventists gave $1.2 billion in tithes last year: that works out to about $23 million a week, $3.3 million a day, $137,ooo an hour, $2,300 a minute."

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(shortened by John)

I could be wrong John, but this looks and sounds a little like bragging or boasting to me. This is not something we should be basing Truth or Faith on.

Hi, you are wrong! :fadein: What am I boasting about??? There is no way that I would be a member of this yoked denomination. [I was verifying the Lord's Word of Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15!] If that is BOASTING, then I stand guilty! (I think that maybe John was be/headed, huh?)

Notice this verse in Isaiah 65:15 for the Eccl. verses repeat!

"And ye shall leave [your name] for a curse [unto my choosen]; for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call His servants [by another name]."

Now, check out Rev. 3:7's Philadelphia church, & then verse 9's Synagogue of satan, then in verses 16-17 we see the Laodicean seventh church 'spewed out'. And then back to whom it is said are kept from the 'hour of temptation, that [shall come upon the world, to TRY THEM that dwell upon the EARTH].' verse 10. As Israel of old had the Remnant of Israel with the new name, so does Laodicea of today. Is it made up yet? Perhaps not, but its time has come!

Notice this paragraph from the Adventist Review April of 2000 by William G. Johnsson

"In our day the Advent message is roaring like a prairie fire across the face of the earth, and young people are fanning the flames.
For Seventh-day Adventist this is the best of times, this is the worst of times. Thousands of our dearest and best are walking away from the church that nurtured them ..,"

Where many have gone might supprise some? But, if you study & BELIEVE the Word of God by inspiration in the Eccl. verses, you can find out where the New Denomination of Christ's day came from! WHAT IS NEW GOD ASKS? See 2 Thess. 2:1-3 & then the [past] repeat of Matt. 10:5-6! :

But, regardless of whom it is referring to.. Adventists, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Church of God or whoever, it still needs the Gospel prophecy that was printed to back up it up as Truth! Did you read Matt. 23:15?? This was the comparison of Adventist history to the scripture posted, here is what Christ said:

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, [hypocrites!] for ye [compass sea and land to make one proselyte], (convert) and when he is made, [ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourself]." And you call this bragging rights?????

And my other other remark, about the 'woman' prophetess? She was an old 'widow' woman, 'which departed not from the temple, but served the Lord, and [spake of Him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.' Luke 2:36-38

And my comparison of Israel of old to Adventism, & E.G.W?? This surely finds NO other denomination with a Sabbath Keeping dead woman prophetess that was in their midst, while both were having the hudge number of converts to boot?

It just tells me Vic, that the Eccl.s verses once again prove that God CANNOT LIE! What IS NEW? (He Asks) And my 'boastings' of COURSE are that I BELIEVE HIM!

---John

 

[Vic C.]

John, was it you that wrote this for their front cover?

Notice this ADVENTIST REVIEW (world edition) -January 8, 2004
Front Cover:
SOW
1 BILLION
A Bold new initiative.

Or this for the article in the Review?

And this one, as seen in July 2003 Adventist Review pg. 20-21...

"About one million people join the Adventist church each year---about two every minute" ... "Adventists gave $1.2 billion in tithes last year: that works out to about $23 million a week, $3.3 million a day, $137,ooo an hour, $2,300 a minute."

and now this?

"In our day the Advent message is roaring like a prairie fire across the face of the earth, and young people are fanning the flames.
For Seventh-day Adventist this is the best of times, this is the worst of times. Thousands of our dearest and best are walking away from the church that nurtured them ..,"

Again, it sounds to me like they are beating their own chests.

I assume you didn't write these, so please don't assume it was you I accused of being boastful.

And About Ellen G. White...you might want to do a bit of research on her. After all, we are told to be aware of false prophets (and prophetess').

 

[John the Baptist]

John, was it you that wrote this for their front cover?

Notice this ADVENTIST REVIEW (world edition) -January 8, 2004
Front Cover:
SOW
1 BILLION
A Bold new initiative.

Or this for the article in the Review?

[quote:0b7ce]And this one, as seen in July 2003 Adventist Review pg. 20-21...

"About one million people join the Adventist church each year---about two every minute" ... "Adventists gave $1.2 billion in tithes last year: that works out to about $23 million a week, $3.3 million a day, $137,ooo an hour, $2,300 a minute."

and now this?

"In our day the Advent message is roaring like a prairie fire across the face of the earth, and young people are fanning the flames.
For Seventh-day Adventist this is the best of times, this is the worst of times. Thousands of our dearest and best are walking away from the church that nurtured them ..,"

Again, it sounds to me like they are beating their own chests.

I assume you didn't write these, so please don't assume it was you I accused of being boastful.

And About Ellen G. White...you might want to do a bit of research on her. After all, we are told to be aware of false prophets (and prophetess').[/quote:0b7ce]

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Hi, (John here)
would not the research thing work both ways? By that I mean, by going to the source instead of the.. he said said she said, they said, and finally we see something posted up here on this forum that says---, and now we 'see' and this is the truth! ??. Seems that this was also told us by Christ in Matt. 10: perhaps verse 20 on? You know, bottom line.

Personally: I agree with what I have read of her writtings. I know of no Adventist of her day, and but few of today that had found that the Adventist denomination was prophesied to be rejected as was Israel of old, as she has told in a number of places if a person will open their eyes to see. (Adventist in Matt. 25 'ALL' SLEEPING!)

And I agree with her that the doctrines are what make up the Virgin Truth. For this is the only way that the Gospel has the Christ of the Gospel [inside] of any denomination. Either way, being empty of the other is FALSE EVERLASTING GOSPEL! And if the Truth is not lived, or is OPENLY VIOLATED? See Matt. 23:3. Then it would not be long that even that denomination would be forsaken! Christ gave it a last probational period of seven times. (27-34AD) Matt. 23:38, Rev. 3:9, Rev. 2:5 & Rev. 3:16-17 SPEWED OUT ONES. But in NEITHER case was it the Virgin Doctrines that were or are the fault! (They BECAME DESOLATE of Christ!)

And, : I doubt that you have done as much research on this as I have? I will make a prediction, it goes like this, I predict that in your very near future lifetime, that you will find that she was right on in most of her writings. Lets see, Jonah had [conditional] prophecy to preach, and after OPEN rejection of his duties were first seen, then he made a recorded 'idiot' of himself! And Abraham lied about his wife 'twice'. Then David?? Well, never mind.

And Noah? Seems that he was overwhelmed after the destruction of the wicked, and went out and got drunk? Guess that I will stop here. But it seems to me that God used sincere sinful humans. I think of James & John who Christ stated were one time 'Sons of Thunder' And Peter denying Christ in cursings? Wonder if you have ever researched these called of God ones??

It does not take a rocket scientist to know which side that these earlier posted ones are on, as far as [I am concerned!] And I am TALKING OF THEIR RE/SEARCH!! ZERO! ZAP! NOTHING BUT HERESAY! Or do we want to dwell on my above paragraph negatives??? (not me)

---John

 

[Vic C.]

John,

No doubt that you have studied much of her work, but have you actually researched her, both the pros and cons? She has make some very outlandish claims durning her life. Let me point out a few...

(Taken from 'Top Embarrassing Statements of Ellen G. White'...
http://www.biblebelievers.com/SDA/SDA3.html#3-a )

"People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated." (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

"The violation of the fourth commandment is not confined to the preparation of food. Many carelessly put off blacking their boots, and shaving, until after the beginning of the Sabbath. This should not be. If any neglect to do such work on a working day, they should have respect enough for God's holy time to let their beards remain unshaven, their boots rough and brown, until the Sabbath is past. This might help their memory, and make them more careful to do their own work on the six working days." (Signs of the Times, May 25, 1882).

"The human family was presented before me, enfeebled. Every generation has been growing weaker, and disease of every form visits the human race.... Satan's power upon the human family increases. IF THE LORD SHOULD NOT SOON COME AND DESTROY HIS POWER, THE EARTH WOULD SOON BE DEPOPULATED." (E.G. White, Testimony No.8, p.94, in Spiritual Gifts III-IV, Battle Creek, Steam Press, 1864, emphasis supplied).

(rebuttal...According to the Korea Times of May 14, 1998 the world population began the century at 1.6 billion and will hit 6 billion before the year 2000. Should the world last, population experts fear that there may be as many as 27 billion people living on the face of this planet by the year 2150. Are we facing a problem of DEPOPULATION or OVERPOPULATION? If this prophecy was wrong, how many of her other prophecies, like the ones in the Great Controversy, are also wrong?)

"At this time immense forests were buried. These have since been changed to coal, forming the extensive coal beds that now exist, and also yielding large quantities of oil. The coal and oil frequently ignite and burn beneath the surface of the earth. Thus rocks are heated, limestone is burned, and iron ore melted. The action of the water upon the lime adds fury to the intense heat, and causes earthquakes, volcanoes, and fiery issues. As the fire and water come in contact with ledges of rock and ore, there are heavy explosions underground, which sound like muffled thunder. The air is hot and suffocating. Volcanic eruptions follow; and these often failing to give sufficient vent to the heated elements, the earth itself is convulsed, the ground heaves and swells like the waves of the sea, great fissures appear, and sometimes cities, villages, and burning mountains are swallowed up." (Patriarchs and Prophets, p.108).

(rebuttal...The real cause of earthquakes: "The immediate cause of most shallow earthquakes is the sudden release of stress along a fault, or fracture, in the earth's crust, resulting in the movement of opposing blocks of rock past one another. This causes vibrations to pass through and around the earth in wave form." (The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, Copyright, 1995 by Columbia University Press.) Volcanic eruptions are not caused by coal and oil burning beneath the earth's surface. They are caused by rising magma, regions of molten rock material, beneath the earth's surface.)

"By lacing, the internal organs of women are crowded out of their positions. There is scarcely a woman that is thoroughly healthy. The majority of women have numerous ailments. Many are troubled with weaknesses of most distressing nature. These fashionably dressed women cannot transmit good constitutions to their children. Some women have naturally small waists. But rather than regard such forms as beautiful, they should be viewed as defective. These wasp waists may have been transmitted to them from their mothers, as the result of their indulgence in the sinful practice of tight-lacing, and in consequence of imperfect breathing. Poor children born of these miserable slaves of fashion have diminished vitality, and are predisposed to take on disease. The impurities retained in the system in consequence of imperfect breathing are transmitted to their offspring." (Health Reformer, November 1, 1871).
"But my waist is naturally slender, says one woman. She means that she has inherited small lungs. Her ancestors, more or less of them, compressed their lungs in the same way that we do, and it has become in her case a congenital deformity." (Health Reformer, October 31, 1871).

(rebuttal...The idea that acquired physical characteristics are passed genetically to the next generation is nothing more than a myth. There is no scientific evidence that acquired physical characteristics can be passed down to the next generation. It was simply a 19th century myth that has been discarded by the modern medical community.)

(skips the bunk on masturbation- : )

 

[Vic C.]

2 Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

(con't)

"The indulgence of... tea, coffee, tobacco, or liquor, is intemperance, and is at war with the laws of life and health. By using these forbidden articles a condition of things is created in the system which the Creator never designed. This indulgence in any of the members of the human family is sin!" (Evangelism, p. 266, written in 1899).

"Tea and coffee drinking is a sin, an injurious indulgence, which like other evils, injures the soul." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 425, written in 1896).

(rebuttal...We will not find the drinking of tea mentioned anywhere in Scripture. Neither will we discover any proclamation in the Bible that drinking tea is a sin! Never does the Bible tell us to repent of the "sin" of drinking tea!

As ludicrous as it seems today, Ellen White specifically stated that tea, as a beverage, "loosens tongues" and contributes to gossip: "When these tea and coffee users meet together for social entertainment, the effects of their pernicious habit are manifest. All partake freely of the favorite beverages, and as the stimulating influence is felt, their tongues are loosened, and they begin the wicked work of talking against others." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 423, written in 1890).

(while i enjoy a soothing cup of tea as it settles my stomach...i have a touch of the stomach bug today- : )

Even from a health standpoint Ellen White had a negative view of drinking tea. For example, she stated that tea is a narcotic: "... People may be taught... and be educated to refuse all narcotics, - tea, coffee, fermented wines, and stimulants of all kinds, - and to discard the flesh of dead animals." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 281, written in 1896).

She also stated that physicians were not to prescribe tea for their patients for it is ‘’harmful" and "poisonous to the system". "You will not prescribe flesh, tea, or coffee for your patients, but will give talks in the parlor showing the necessity of a simple diet. You will cut away injurious things from your bill of fare." (Ibid, p. 294, written in 1902). "If tea is offered, refuse it,... explain that it is harmful..." (Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 402, written in 1901). "Tea is poisonous to the system." (Ibid, p. 421, written in 1868).

As a matter of fact, Ellen White firmly believed drinking tea caused diseases: "Diseases of every stripe and type have been brought upon human beings by the use of tea and coffee and the narcotics, opium and tobacco." (Ibid, p. 421, written in 1887).

(rebuttal...Now compare what Ellen White has told you, supposedly under the direct inspiration of God, with what modern science has discovered regarding tea. Scientists report that drinking green and/or black tea can:

• Reduce the risk of stroke and heart attack.

• Protect against several types of cancer.

• Provide equal or greater antioxidant power than many fruits and vegetables.

• And, since tea is one of the few natural sources of fluoride, help prevent cavities.)

The myth that Ellen White's so-called "health message" was inspired by God is simply without foundation. Not only did her "health message" contradict God's Word, it also contradicted the laws of science.

Did Mrs. White practice what she preached regarding eating meats? Note what she wrote in 1869:

"I have not changed my course a particle since I adopted the health reform. I have not taken one step back since the light from heaven upon this subject first shone upon my pathway. I broke away from everything at once, from meat and butter, and from three meals. I left off those things from principle. I took my stand on health reform from principle." (Testimonies, Volume 2, pp. 371-372).
Mrs. White claimed to have taken her stand prior to 1869, yet four years later we find her eating deer and duck:

"A young man from Nova Scotia had come in from hunting. He had a quarter of deer. He had traveled 20 miles with this deer upon his back. He gave us a small piece of the meat, which we made into broth. Willie shot a duck which came in a time of need, for our supplies were rapidly diminishing." (Manuscript 11, 1873. Released by the Ellen G. White Estate, Washington, D.C., April 11, 1985; MR 14, p.353).
Mrs. White was still privately eating unclean meat a full 13 years after her public commitment! In this 1882 excerpt from a letter to her daughter-in-law, Mary Kelsey White, she expresses her fondness for herring and oysters:

"Mary, if you can get me a good box of herrings, fresh ones, please do so. These last ones that Willie got are bitter and old. If you can buy cans, say a half dozen cans of good tomatoes, please do so. We shall need them. If you can get a few cans of good oysters, get them." (Letter 16, 1882, dated May 31, 1882, from Healdsburg, California).
According to Dr. John Kellogg, Mrs. White celebrated her return from Europe in 1887 with "a large baked fish." When she visited the Battle Creek Sanitarium during the next several years, she "always called for meat and usually fried chicken," much to the consternation of Kellogg and the cook who were both vegetarians. At the various camp meetings she attended, her lax dietary habits became common knowledge, thanks in no small part to her own children. Kellogg recalled once hearing Edson (J.E.) White standing in front of his mother's tent calling out to a meat wagon that visited the grounds regularly:

"Say, hello there! Have you any fresh fish?" "No," was his reply. "Have you got any fresh chicken?" Again the answer was "no," and J.E. bawled out in a very loud voice, "Mother wants some chicken. You had better get some quick." (Kellogg letter to Ballenger, January 9, 1936).

(rebuttal... :o :o :o )

Ellen G. White: "Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children." (Spalding and Magan, p.211).

(rebuttal...Holy Bible: "And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover (lamb) with you before I suffer:" (Luke 22:15).

NOTE: The traditional passover dinner which Jesus ate with His disciples included eating a roasted lamb: "And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it." (Exodus 12:8).

When Elijah was by the brook Cherith, "… the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook." (1 Kings 17:6).

Why did God feed Elijah with bread and "flesh" if that would set an "evil example"? Why not bread and cucumbers; or bread and carrots?)

We could go on and on, discussing her failed and false prophesies, but the bottom line is...as far as her being a true prophetess, she fails the Biblical test.

 

[John the Baptist]

John,

No doubt that you have studied much of her work, but have you actually researched her, both the pros and cons? She has make some very outlandish claims durning her life. Let me point out a few...

(Taken from 'Top Embarrassing Statements of Ellen G. White'...
http://www.biblebelievers.com/SDA/SDA3.html#3-a )

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John here: Vic, you have pasted up to much for me to answer without the viewer loosing their object: fadein: CULT is the topic, I think? Anyway, let me give a reply as I see it?
First off: How many of the PhD ones of today agree on ANYTHING??? Surely you would not want to build a case against God's Word? He 'spake and it stood fast'?? Where is the evidence of that? There are many of what is called mans documented facts to say that God is wrong! The age of the earth for starters. So, which of [these] sites do you want me to attend to? (research)
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"People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated." (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

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John here: Both of the above & the beneath statements by E.G.W. find me with NO Biblecal disagreement! The old saying of.. 'we are what we eat' is pretty much believed by me. When one considers that before sin the diet by God was 'fleshless', and even so up until after the flood. And the lifespan of man dropped from around 1000 yrs. to the Gen. 11 records, up until todays ones. Even Abraham died at 175 yrs. old it says in Gen. 25:7-8.

Yet, this 'permitted' diet NEVER included un/clean flesh as food. (see Gen. 7:2-3) Before I move on to the next thought, lets see what the Word of God says in Gen. 9:5? "And SURELY YOUR BLOOD OF YOUR LIVES WILL I REQUIRE; AT THE HAND OF EVERY BEAST WILL I REQUIRE IT ... " Flesh food eating shorten's life, it is just that simple!
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"The violation of the fourth commandment is not confined to the preparation of food. Many carelessly put off blacking their boots, and shaving, until after the beginning of the Sabbath. This should not be. If any neglect to do such work on a working day, they should have respect enough for God's holy time to let their beards remain unshaven, their boots rough and brown, until the Sabbath is past. This might help their memory, and make them more careful to do their own work on the six working days." (Signs of the Times, May 25, 1882).

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Me again: And the above?? Vic, please be sure to understand [me] when I say this next remark. We grow at different stages, but NEVER will a person who LOVES CHRIST (BY REBIRTH) want to offend Him. This is where I stand. I DESIRE to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. Do you understand me??? I LOVE MY CREATOR & RE/CREATOR AND WANT TO SERVE HIM! (I am not talking about you! this is what i am DESIRING to do)

OK: the 'sounding' of mockery in the above statement surely would include the mother of Jesus & her (their) preparing work for the annointing of Christ's body, would it not?? (see Luke 23:54-56 & Luke 24:1-2!) You do know of the Fri. preparation day? And that they came after sundown to do even THIS WORK?? And you post up this shoe black remark for a 'cultish' identification???
Vic, if this was me instead of you, I would wonder if I was not a partaker of this last posting remark at least? See Rev. 18:4. Do I go around posting up PhD's 'Arm of Flesh' (see Jer. 17:5) foolishness of their creation theory? WHERE IS THE [CONCRETE EVIDENCE] that they are wrong Vic? Do you get my point? And NO, 'i' do not want to sound mean or judgemental.
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"The human family was presented before me, enfeebled. Every generation has been growing weaker, and disease of every form visits the human race.... Satan's power upon the human family increases. IF THE LORD SHOULD NOT SOON COME AND DESTROY HIS POWER, THE EARTH WOULD SOON BE DEPOPULATED." (E.G. White, Testimony No.8, p.94, in Spiritual Gifts III-IV, Battle Creek, Steam Press, 1864, emphasis supplied).

(rebuttal...According to the Korea Times of May 14, 1998 the world population began the century at 1.6 billion and will hit 6 billion before the year 2000. Should the world last, population experts fear that there may be as many as 27 billion people living on the face of this planet by the year 2150. Are we facing a problem of DEPOPULATION or OVERPOPULATION? If this prophecy was wrong, how many of her other prophecies, like the ones in the Great Controversy, are also wrong?)

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Me again: We do know that in the last days (our day! Look around you Vic) we have been told that 'knowledge will be increased'? Well Vic, Hosea 4:6 states the Word of God (CHRIST) that to reject knowledge will find US REJECTED. And the above needs no more said from this end at least, than the Words of Christ! "AND EXCEPT THOSE DAYS SHOULD BE SHORTENED, [THERE SHOULD BE NO FLESH SAVED:..] Matt. 24:22 in part.
BOTH profession wise & health wise! Antibiotics are even becoming usless in some diseases...AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET HERE IN THE USA! And 'spiritual' life????? Look around! :
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"At this time immense forests were buried. These have since been changed to coal, forming the extensive coal beds that now exist, and also yielding large quantities of oil. The coal and oil frequently ignite and burn beneath the surface of the earth. Thus rocks are heated, limestone is burned, and iron ore melted. The action of the water upon the lime adds fury to the intense heat, and causes earthquakes, volcanoes, and fiery issues. As the fire and water come in contact with ledges of rock and ore, there are heavy explosions underground, which sound like muffled thunder. The air is hot and suffocating. Volcanic eruptions follow; and these often failing to give sufficient vent to the heated elements, the earth itself is convulsed, the ground heaves and swells like the waves of the sea, great fissures appear, and sometimes cities, villages, and burning mountains are swallowed up." (Patriarchs and Prophets, p.108).

(rebuttal...The real cause of earthquakes: "The immediate cause of most shallow earthquakes is the sudden release of stress along a fault, or fracture, in the earth's crust, resulting in the movement of opposing blocks of rock past one another. This causes vibrations to pass through and around the earth in wave form." (The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia, Copyright, 1995 by Columbia University Press.) Volcanic eruptions are not caused by coal and oil burning beneath the earth's surface. They are caused by rising magma, regions of molten rock material, beneath the earth's surface.)

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Me again: Some educated men have been preaching & teaching for years & still are, that God will burn the wicked lost sinners for ETERNITY. This is all recorded in earthly documentation. (the heavenly record books too!) Does that make it right?? Hardly! See Obadia 16 for what God's Word states. Who is correct, these records of the professed 'believers' in the Word of God, or the WORD OF GOD?
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"By lacing, the internal organs of women are crowded out of their positions. There is scarcely a woman that is thoroughly healthy. The majority of women have numerous ailments. Many are troubled with weaknesses of most distressing nature. These fashionably dressed women cannot transmit good constitutions to their children. Some women have naturally small waists. But rather than regard such forms as beautiful, they should be viewed as defective. These wasp waists may have been transmitted to them from their mothers, as the result of their indulgence in the sinful practice of tight-lacing, and in consequence of imperfect breathing. Poor children born of these miserable slaves of fashion have diminished vitality, and are predisposed to take on disease. The impurities retained in the system in consequence of imperfect breathing are transmitted to their offspring." (Health Reformer, November 1, 1871).
"But my waist is naturally slender, says one woman. She means that she has inherited small lungs. Her ancestors, more or less of them, compressed their lungs in the same way that we do, and it has become in her case a congenital deformity." (Health Reformer, October 31, 1871).

(rebuttal...The idea that acquired physical characteristics are passed genetically to the next generation is nothing more than a myth. There is no scientific evidence that acquired physical characteristics can be passed down to the next generation. It was simply a 19th century myth that has been discarded by the modern medical community.)

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Me again: Again Vic, which evidence do you 'desire' to 'believe', that is [my] issue?? How about woman's stupid high heels? : Just a thought here of a sprained ankle? In my day, we soaked it in hot water to have the swelling go down. And today we are told that it needs ice water. (so says my wife :fadein: ) Without a doubt, if time was permitted to continue on, we would see hot water come back around again? Perhaps the natural body 'fever' for sickness is flawed too, huh?

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(skips the bunk on masturbation- : )

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Pastor N.B.'s conclusion: If it were possible to dis/cuss the above 'spiritually', one might find this subject much more that bunk? I do not know who the moderator is of this thread? (bible study?) But I have seen good topics locked in the past. So I need to watch out Vic, unless you have some seniority privalige :.

Let me just say that 'self abuse' (masturbation) in any form is self destructive. It causes all kind of problems. (perhaps even has passed on some of mens prostate problems?) It matter's not if it be male or female, or if we think so, it is self abuse. Can you find the 'educated' arm of flesh with an another view. Surely! But this 'sin' is no differant that 'spiritually' adultary, and it is grounds for divorce. See Isa. 42:21 & Christ's remark on 'lust after a woman'. Can you understand where I am coming from, I doubt that, huh?

Now: bottom line. "Wheather they will hear or forbear" is not my [first] bottom line concern. See Eze. 2:5-7 or chapter 3:11 & verse 27.
And Isa. 55:11 tells me that it is God's Word that [will not] return to Him VOID! But still, let me say this in closing out, if I were to do with God's Word as has been done with this E.G.White subject on the site posted, would be found in 2 Cor. 4:2 on the wrong side of Christ & with a new Gen. 4:7 leader! (notice this would be the judgement upon myself!!)

Yet Vic, it is you that have concluded that 'she has made some outlandish claim's in her lifetime. Let me point out a few?' :

---John

 

[Vic C.]

John,
I did the copy/paste job for a reason...I wanted her very own words from her very own writings to be the central point, not my interpretation of her works. I show she is in error on many points in her teachings, but still you continue to defend her.

Maybe you might want to pick up a copy of "The Life of Mrs. E.G. White, Her False Claims Refuted" by D.M. Canright. He, as you prabably already know, is not a 'contemporary man', he was one of her peers. If you don't care to get a copy for yourself, it is available in full on the Web, as is many other writings from former SDA's. But I am not here to peddle their writings. Lets get on to Ellen herself.

This is a list of some of the fallicies she taught...

1) the plan of salvation was made after the Fall.....
She wrote in her 'Great Controversy', "The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race."

2) Eve was seperated from Adam when she was tempted to eat the fruit.....
'Patriarchs and Prophets'-"The angels had cautioned Eve to beware of separating herself from her husband while occupied in their daily labor in the garden; with him she would be in less temptation than if she were alone. But absorbed in her pleasing task, she unconsciously wandered from his side. On perceiving that she was alone, she felt an apprehension of danger. She soon found herself gazing with mingled curiosity and admiration upon the forbidden tree."

3) Adam was decieved by Satan.....
'Evangelism'- "Satan, who is the father of lies, deceived Adam in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law."

4) pre-flood humans mated with animals.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere."

5) an angel shut the door of the Ark.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "An angel is seen by the scoffing multitude descending from heaven clothed with brightness like the lightning. He closes that massive outer door, and takes his course upward to heaven again."

6) the Tower of Babel was built before the Flood.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel."

Con't...

 

[Vic C.]

con't

7) Atonement for sin was not complete at the cross.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 1'- "Instead of…Daniel 8:14 referring to the purifying of the earth, it was now plain that it pointed to the closing work of our High Priest in heaven, the finishing of the atonement, and the preparing of the people to abide the day of His coming."

'Early Writings'- "so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly sanctuary, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary."

8 ) Satan bears our sins.....
'Great Controversy'- "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed."

9) slaves can not be saved.....
'Early Writings'- "God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes."

10) keeping the Commandments puts us in God's good favor.....
'Testimonies'- "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain (earn) His favor."

11) Jesus did not enter the Most Holy Place before 10/22/1844.....
'Early Writings'- "This door was not opened until the mediation of Jesus was finished in the holy place of the sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door of the holy place, and opened the door into the most holy, and passed within the second veil, where He now stands by the ark, and where the faith of Israel now reaches."

12) Paul got his instructions from the deciples.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 3'- "Paul must receive instruction in the Christian faith and move accordingly. Christ sends him to His very disciples whom he had been so bitterly persecuting, to learn of them. Now Paul was in a condition to learn of those whom God had ordained to teach the truth. Christ directs Paul to His chosen servants, thus placing him in connection with His church. The very men whom Paul was purposing to destroy were to be his instructors in the very religion that he had despised and persecuted."

13) the seal of God was the Sabbath, not the Spirit.....
'Great Controversy'- "The enemies of God's law, from the ministers down to the least among them, have a new conception of truth and duty. Too late they see that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God."

14)- we will have wings when resurrected.....
'Early Writings'- "We gathered about Jesus, and just as He closed the gates of the city, the curse was pronounced upon the wicked. The gates were shut. Then the saints used their wings and mounted to the top of the wall of the city."

 

[evanman]

According to Life in America

America is a highly religious country, and has been since its earliest days. Nearly every religion in the world has adherents or organized institutions in the United States. American religious institutions are large, powerful and influential in social and political life. Even Americans who are members of no established religion are likely to believe in God. According to a Gallup opinion survey, nearly all Americans, 98% of them, do, compared to 84% in Switzerland, 73% in France and 60% in Sweden. Americans also tend to believe in life after death: 73% compared to 50% in Switzerland and only 38% in Great Britain. About 60% of Americans are members of a church, synagogue or other religious group, though many more identify with various religions because of their birth or upbringing. About 40% of Americans attend religious services regularly, compared to only 20% in Great Britain.

According to Mormons:

"If the Mormon Church is as false as you say, then it will one day fall by its own weight and rot from its own lies, without any help from people like you."

"If the LDS Church is of God, then neither you nor I nor any human will stop its meteoric rise."

"The Mormon Church is the fastest growing religion in the world! Doesn't this indicate that it is God's work?"

Stats prove nothing:

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 

[John the Baptist]

Vic,
I will get back with you on this. And I realize what you did & why I thought that you did that?, and I needed this to prove a later point. We want the true PRINTINGS, huh? But please do a 'much needed' favor for me, ok? And give the page number & the 'dated' edition of the Great Controversy? How can I verify this 'posted' content if I have no page number? And D. M. Canright, is he living or dead? (do you know) And when he wrote this work, what status was he in the Adventist denomination at that time [and] before he died? Was he in good standing??? Surely you would believe that this was important??

Take a 'peek' at me for instance? Would I be the one to question on Adventism's doctrines??? Might it not be from which side that you might be wanting to hear? ---John
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John,
I did the copy/paste job for a reason...I wanted her very own words from her very own writings to be the central point, not my interpretation of her works. I show she is in error on many points in her teachings, but still you continue to defend her.

Maybe you might want to pick up a copy of "The Life of Mrs. E.G. White, Her False Claims Refuted" by D.M. Canright. He, as you prabably already know, is not a 'contemporary man', he was one of her peers. If you don't care to get a copy for yourself, it is available in full on the Web, as is many other writings from former SDA's. But I am not here to peddle their writings. Lets get on to Ellen herself.

This is a list of some of the fallicies she taught...

1) the plan of salvation was made after the Fall.....
She wrote in her 'Great Controversy', "The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race."

2) Eve was seperated from Adam when she was tempted to eat the fruit.....
'Patriarchs and Prophets'-"The angels had cautioned Eve to beware of separating herself from her husband while occupied in their daily labor in the garden; with him she would be in less temptation than if she were alone. But absorbed in her pleasing task, she unconsciously wandered from his side. On perceiving that she was alone, she felt an apprehension of danger. She soon found herself gazing with mingled curiosity and admiration upon the forbidden tree."

3) Adam was decieved by Satan.....
'Evangelism'- "Satan, who is the father of lies, deceived Adam in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law."

4) pre-flood humans mated with animals.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere."

5) an angel shut the door of the Ark.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "An angel is seen by the scoffing multitude descending from heaven clothed with brightness like the lightning. He closes that massive outer door, and takes his course upward to heaven again."

6) the Tower of Babel was built before the Flood.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel."

Con't...

 

[John the Baptist]

Hi again Vic, how are you going to convert me with no page numbers to check content? : ---John
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con't

7) Atonement for sin was not complete at the cross.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 1'- "Instead of…Daniel 8:14 referring to the purifying of the earth, it was now plain that it pointed to the closing work of our High Priest in heaven, the finishing of the atonement, and the preparing of the people to abide the day of His coming."

'Early Writings'- "so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly sanctuary, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary."

8 ) Satan bears our sins.....
'Great Controversy'- "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed."

9) slaves can not be saved.....
'Early Writings'- "God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes."

10) keeping the Commandments puts us in God's good favor.....
'Testimonies'- "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain (earn) His favor."

11) Jesus did not enter the Most Holy Place before 10/22/1844.....
'Early Writings'- "This door was not opened until the mediation of Jesus was finished in the holy place of the sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door of the holy place, and opened the door into the most holy, and passed within the second veil, where He now stands by the ark, and where the faith of Israel now reaches."

12) Paul got his instructions from the deciples.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 3'- "Paul must receive instruction in the Christian faith and move accordingly. Christ sends him to His very disciples whom he had been so bitterly persecuting, to learn of them. Now Paul was in a condition to learn of those whom God had ordained to teach the truth. Christ directs Paul to His chosen servants, thus placing him in connection with His church. The very men whom Paul was purposing to destroy were to be his instructors in the very religion that he had despised and persecuted."

13) the seal of God was the Sabbath, not the Spirit.....
'Great Controversy'- "The enemies of God's law, from the ministers down to the least among them, have a new conception of truth and duty. Too late they see that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God."

14)- we will have wings when resurrected.....
'Early Writings'- "We gathered about Jesus, and just as He closed the gates of the city, the curse was pronounced upon the wicked. The gates were shut. Then the saints used their wings and mounted to the top of the wall of the city."

 

[Vic C.]

But please do a 'much needed' favor for me, ok? And give the page number & the 'dated' edition of the Great Controversy? How can I verify this 'posted' content if I have no page number? And D. M. Canright, is he living or dead? (do you know) And when he wrote this work, what status was he in the Adventist denomination at that time [and] before he died? Was he in good standing??? Surely you would believe that this was important??

John,

I will happy to supply you with the info you request. I will have to get back to you with page #'s on anything I posted concerning The Great Controversy. Since I don't have a hard copy (yet), the edition I will be referencing is the online version supplied by Ellen's estate itself. It contains Ellen's original writings from her first edition (1888) including her revisions in 1911. You can see it here... http://www.greatcontroversy.org/books/gc/gc.html .

As for D.M. Canright, his work can he seen here... http://www.ellenwhite.org/canright/egw16.htm . He published this book in 1919, he is no longer with us. More can be found out about him at the same link I provided above. I think I know where you are going with this. (maybe) There is proof there that he did not recant what he had written about her. You can read all the letters between him, White and Smith too. Canright and the Adventists did split peacefully. But it didn't stay that way. And it wasn't him that sparked any hostilities. There seemd to be some animosity toward him by two associates of his former church. One was a clerk by the name of W.W. Shepard and the other was a member by the name of J.B. Buck. It was Buck that later accused Canright of apostasy and asked that he be excluded from Adventism because if it.

They got even more bent out shape when Canright defended himself. My question is, why wasn't he allowed to defend himself? It was not he that struct the first blow. This animosity toward him did not work in the Adventists faver. It was stated this was the biggest blunder of their history. It may be interesting to note that Canright wound up pastoring in a Baptist church in 1887.

But we are not here to talk about him. You presented us with a challange...

So? you say that we should go back into the history of seventh day adventism, Elen G. White and the imposition of unscriptual rules on people!
What are you waiting for?

and we should stick to that. Agreed?

 

[Vic C.]

Hi again Vic, how are you going to convert me with no page numbers to check content? : ---John

Hehe, chomping at the bit, are we? : See my post above. :angel:

 

[Vic C.]

1) the plan of salvation was made after the Fall.....
She wrote in her 'Great Controversy', "The kingdom of grace was instituted immediately after the fall of man, when a plan was devised for the redemption of the guilty race."
pg. 347

What the Bible says...
1 Pet 1:18-20 "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

Eph 1:4 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love."

8 ) Satan bears our sins.....
'Great Controversy'- "It was seen, also, that while the sin offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scapegoat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed."
pg. 422

What the Bible says...
1 Pet 2:24 "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."

13) the seal of God was the Sabbath, not the Spirit.....
'Great Controversy'- "The enemies of God's law, from the ministers down to the least among them, have a new conception of truth and duty. Too late they see that the Sabbath of the fourth commandment is the seal of the living God."
pg. 640

What the Bible says...
Eph 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

My source goes on to say this...

NOTE: This is a crucial contradiction. The Bible is certain that God's seal is the Holy Spirit. But EGW denies this Bible truth, claiming that the seventh-day Sabbath is God's seal. Thus Sabbath-keeping is promoted as the great determiner of who is lost and who is saved. In this, EGW proclaims that it is the Sabbath which saves, rather than Jesus Christ who saves! This is heresy, claiming salvation by works. EGW makes the Sabbath the greatest commandment of all.

http://www.biblebelievers.com/SDA/SDA1.html#1-a

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Now for the rest...

2) Eve was seperated from Adam when she was tempted to eat the fruit.....
'Patriarchs and Prophets'-"The angels had cautioned Eve to beware of separating herself from her husband while occupied in their daily labor in the garden; with him she would be in less temptation than if she were alone....
pg.53

3) Adam was decieved by Satan.....
'Evangelism'- "Satan, who is the father of lies, deceived Adam in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law."
pg. 589

What the Bible says...
Genesis 3:6

4) pre-flood humans mated with animals.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere."
pg. 64

(this one I forgot to post)

4a) 'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3- "Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men."
pg. 75

What the Bible says...
Genesis 1:24,25

5) an angel shut the door of the Ark.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "An angel is seen by the scoffing multitude descending from heaven clothed with brightness like the lightning. He closes that massive outer door, and takes his course upward to heaven again."
pg. 68

What the Bible says...
Genesis 7:13,16

(some 26 years later, she did correct herself, saying, "…God had shut it, and God alone could open it.")

6) the Tower of Babel was built before the Flood.....
'Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3'- "This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel."
pg. 301

What the Bible says...
Gen 10:32;11:4

7) Atonement for sin was not complete at the cross.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 1'- "Instead of…Daniel 8:14 referring to the purifying of the earth, it was now plain that it pointed to the closing work of our High Priest in heaven, the finishing of the atonement, and the preparing of the people to abide the day of His coming."
pg. 58

What the Bible says...
John 19:30

'Early Writings'- "so Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly sanctuary, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary."
pg. 253

What the Bible says...
Rom 3:21-25, 5:9-11

9) slaves can not be saved.....
'Early Writings'- "God cannot take to heaven the slave who has been kept in ignorance and degradation, knowing nothing of God or the Bible, fearing nothing but his master's lash, and holding a lower position than the brutes."
pg. 276

What the Bible says...
John 1:9, 3:16

10) keeping the Commandments puts us in God's good favor.....
'Testimonies, Vol.4'- "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain (earn) His favor."
pg. 28

What the Bible says...
Isa 64:6 (I love thsi verse- ) Gal 3:11

11) Jesus did not enter the Most Holy Place before 10/22/1844.....
'Early Writings'- "This door was not opened until the mediation of Jesus was finished in the holy place of the sanctuary in 1844. Then Jesus rose up and shut the door of the holy place, and opened the door into the most holy, and passed within the second veil, where He now stands by the ark, and where the faith of Israel now reaches."
pg. 42

What the Bible says...
Hebrews 9:12

12) Paul got his instructions from the deciples.....
'Testimonies, Vol. 3'- "Paul must receive instruction in the Christian faith and move accordingly. Christ sends him to His very disciples whom he had been so bitterly persecuting, to learn of them. Now Paul was in a condition to learn of those whom God had ordained to teach the truth. Christ directs Paul to His chosen servants, thus placing him in connection with His church. The very men whom Paul was purposing to destroy were to be his instructors in the very religion that he had despised and persecuted."
pg. 430

What the Bible says...
Gal. 1:11-12, 16-20

14)- we will have wings when resurrected.....
'Early Writings'- "We gathered about Jesus, and just as He closed the gates of the city, the curse was pronounced upon the wicked. The gates were shut. Then the saints used their wings and mounted to the top of the wall of the city."
pg. 53

What the Bible says...
Phil 3:21

source note...

The Bible says the resurrected saints will have a body like Christ's resurrected body. Nowhere in scripture is there even a hint that Jesus had wings.