Eternal security or conditional security?

[veryberry]

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1


This is the scripture you quoted and ask me to read it.

It plainly teaches us, Those who have no condemnation are those who walk according to the Spirit.

The "no condemnation" promise is not applied to those who walk according to the flesh.

As Paul plainly says in the following verse's...

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:13


Do you believe the word condemnation is a reference to eternal damnation, or something else?



JLB

Romans 8:1 is not referring to justification. Condemnation in this passage is in reference to self condemnation. Such condemnation that Paul experienced as he explained it in chapter 7. After Paul was justified, he tried to live unto God by keeping the law. All he experienced by this was condemnation because of his inability to keep the law. Trying to live unto God by keeping the law produces nothing but death, for there is no good thing that dwells in our flesh.

Trying to keep the law, requires the power of our flesh. Trying to keep the law is to be living according to the flesh and our functional Christian life is dead. Living according to the Spirit, and our functional Christian life is alive.

Death and life in chapter 8 has nothing to do with being justified or unjustified, but how we live functionally after we are justified.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yes, the words are very clear. But none of them say "if the word doesn't abide in you you don't have Christ".

"the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 1:9 NASB)

"let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB bold and underline mine)

The condition for abiding in the Son is that what you heard from the beginning abides in you.

 

[JLB]

Romans 8:1 is not referring to justification. Condemnation in this passage is in reference to self condemnation. Such condemnation that Paul experienced as he explained it in chapter 7. After Paul was justified, he tried to live unto God by keeping the law. All he experienced by this was condemnation because of his inability to keep the law. Trying to live unto God by keeping the law produces nothing but death, for there is no good thing that dwells in our flesh.

Trying to keep the law, requires the power of our flesh. Trying to keep the law is to be living according to the flesh and our functional Christian life is dead. Living according to the Spirit, and our functional Christian life is alive.

Death and life in chapter 8 has nothing to do with being justified or unjustified, but how we live functionally after we are justified.

Death and Life in Romans 8, has everything to do with eternal condemnation and eternal life.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:13


It's as if you have completely ignored what Paul had just got through saying in Romans 6 -

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:12-16


22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:22-23

Notice that everlasting life is the end result of having the fruit in your life unto holiness, [not fruit unto disobedience] which comes from being a slave unto God.


Paul clearly explains this even before in Chapter 2 , as he breaks it down clearly to understand those who will receive eternal life -


eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:7-8


JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

I said this:
"Yes, the words are very clear. But none of them say "if the word doesn't abide in you you don't have Christ"."

"the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 1:9 NASB)

As I said, this verse doesn't say "if the word doesn't abide in you you don't have Christ".

"let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB bold and underline mine)

Again, this verse doesn't say it either. This verse says that if what we've heard in the beginning abides in us, we are abiding in the Son and in the Father. For some reason that escapes me, [edited]

The word "abide" has to do with dwelling or being in the presence of. It is where one exists.

The word "has" has to do with owning or possessing.

They are different. [edited]

The condition for abiding in the Son is that what you heard from the beginning abides in you.

There is a huge difference between abiding in the Son and being in the Son.

The cannot be the same because of what Paul taught about being sealed with the Holy Spirit, which places the believer "in Christ". This seal is a promise of God for the day of redemption.

And there are no verses that speak of this specific sealing being broken by any means or for any reason.

Therefore, one should not assume that it can be broken for any reason.

All believers are "in Christ" because of the sealing with the Holy Spirit. And, all believers are commanded to "abide in Christ".

To be "in Christ" is accomplished by the Holy Spirit by sealing and is promised for the day of redemption.

To "abide in Christ" is a fellowship issue for the purpose of bearing fruit. Jn 15

 

[JLB]

First, the 2 verses of 1 Cor 15 have been exegeted to show that such an interpretation isn't what the verses mean.

Second, LOS doctrine fails to show any evidence that the sealing with the Holy Spirit is either:
1. only for some believers
2. can be broken before the day of redemption

What is clearly stated is that every believer is sealed. And the sealing is a promise for the day of redemption, which is a guarantee of eternal security.


The assumptions are that ANY verse teaches LOS.

The reality is that all the verses in the OP DO teach ES and OSAS. What do they teach, if not that?

You haven't posted any scripture at all. Saying that the plain words of scripture doesn't mean what they say is hardly an exegesis.

2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:2

Paul gives us the condition by which we are saved.., if we hold fast that word which was preached.

"Was preached" is past tense language.

"Hold fast" is present tense language.

What's not to understand ?

We are saved if we hold fast the word that was preached.

Jesus said the same thing...

Those who endure to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13

Peter also- receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls

6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:6-9


JLB

 

[veryberry]

Death and Life in Romans 8, has everything to do with eternal condemnation and eternal life.

For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:13


It's as if you have completely ignored what Paul had just got through saying in Romans 6 -

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:12-16


22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:22-23

Notice that everlasting life is the end result of having the fruit in your life unto holiness, [not fruit unto disobedience] which comes from being a slave unto God.


Paul clearly explains this even before in Chapter 2 , as he breaks it down clearly to understand those who will receive eternal life -


eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;
but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:7-8


JLB

Please notice a common occurrence of the word "fruit". It correlates with the word "deeds". It's clearly talking about a working justified life. A person who is justified CAN produce fruit unto death. If a person is trying to live unto God through the power of his flesh(i.e. Trying to keep the law), then he is producing nothing but fruit unto death.

Look at Paul in chapter 7. He is justified trying to live unto God through the power of his flesh, and is producing nothing but death. Why? Because there dwells no good thing in our flesh. A justified individual can live a life that he/she thinks is living unto God, and be producing nothing but fruit unto death. This individual IS JUSTIFIED, but is dead. Our works either have death or life, not our justification. This is what death and life are in reference to in Chapt 8

 

[chessman]

The word "abide" has to do with dwelling or being in the presence of. It is where one exists.

The word "has" has to do with owning or possessing.

They are different. LOS doctrine attempts to transpose these unrelated words.

I have a child. I know my child. But, I do not abide in my child. She abides in another state.

But I expect to abide with her Sunday. Else her mother will be very upset.

 

[JLB]

But none of them say "if the word doesn't abide in you you don't have Christ".

Nor sir, that is exactly what the scripture says.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9 KJV

9 Everyone must continue to follow only the teaching about Christ. Whoever changes that teaching does not have God. But whoever continues to follow the teaching about Christ has both the Father and his Son. 2 John 1:9 ERV

9 Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ, hath not God: he that abideth in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9 ASV

9 every one who is transgressing, and is not remaining in the teaching of the Christ, hath not God; he who is remaining in the teaching of the Christ, this one hath both the Father and the Son; 2 John 1:9 YLT

He who has the Son has life. He who does not have the Son, does not have life.

Everyone must continue to follow only the teaching about Christ. Whoever changes that teaching does not have God.



24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
1 John 2:24-26


JLB

 

[JLB]

I have a child. I know my child. But, I do not abide in my child. She abides in another state.

But I expect to abide with her Sunday. Else her mother will be very upset.

If you end up in hell, and your child goes to heaven, will you still be that child's father?


JLB

 

[chessman]

The twisting and deceit that is necessary to defend it, and the utter depth of blindness toward plain words of scripture that covers the eyes of many who defend it, tells me how truly false it really is.

I could and I do say the same thing about anti-OSAS. The issue is, who's presented the best biblical case. If you have a case against ES as presented in the OP, then by all means point out some flaw with the OP’s take on the verses posted there. Even though it seems odd to me (if you believe in biblical inerrancy) to point out other Scriptures that seemingly to you plainly 'contradict' what Romans 6:23 and 11:29 seems to me to teach, I’ve looked at every single verse you’ve quoted in opposition to the verses posted in the OP anyway. I've found zero that contradict the doctrines that Paul laid out in Romans 6 and 11. Yes, including the 1 Cor 15:1-2 passage. Again, it’s not an anti-OSAS passage. You can claim it is over and over again (as you've done) but logically speaking, it's not.
It simply anchors one’s present salvation (you are saved if you hold fast) upon one’s past belief (you did not, in the past, believe in vain). It’s a perfectly consistent passage with Paul’s doctrines as stated in Romans 6:23 and 11:29.

But since you mention deceit, twisting, blindness (and what you edited out) on the part of OSAS, Paul closes his letter to the Romans with this Scripture:

Romans 16:17-18 (ESV) I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. ​

What doctrines did Paul teach in this letter that he warns us to look out for deceit against??? Paul taught many doctrines in this longest and most systematic of all the Epistles. But two very clear/plain doctrines that he taught (as pointed out in the OP) are:

1. Romans 6:23b (LEB) ... the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

2. Romans 11:29 (LEB) … the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Which, when simply learned together, teach us that ‘the gift of Eternal Life is irrevocable’. Pretty simple doctrine really. Yes, it merges two separate verses together. But so what? Unless it can be shown Paul didn't mean them to be taught together, it seems to be anti-OSAS is cause a division of these two doctrines. No wonder there’s been very little discussion about these two passages (or the other points of the OP) but rather divisions over interpretations of other passages, parables and ‘doctrines’ from other Epistles/contexts.

There have been a few posts dealing with Romans 6:23 and Rom 11:29 (but not much in general):

1. I did recall this response concerning the doctrine of Paul’s coming from Romans 6:23 and 11:29: Yes but, ‘they don't appear in the same verse’. To which the first rule of formal debate rebuttals comes into effect; So what??? Sounds like smooth talk to me. Paul wrote a very long letter and said many things. Someone would need to show how the gift of Eternal Life is NOT in the same context as Romans 11:29 for that argument to follow thru. It’s not been shown to be the case. Nor can it be, IMO.

2. Plus there was something said about they (these two verses) must be read in their broader context. Which is true of course (that’s the point of the OP, Romans is a context. All of it, the whole letter. But the problem with that assertion is that no anti-OSAS argument/evidence was ever made that the broader context in/around Romans 6 or 11 provides any actual evidence Paul was excluding Eternal Life from the list of irrevocable gifts. There’s only three gifts mentioned in the entire letter, so obviously more than one was meant in Rom 11:23. In fact, the more you read in/around Romans 6-11, the more you see Paul’s extended argument that in fact Eternal Life is exactly one of the irrevocable gifts he meant. Even spending a chapter or two in-between explaining how even the ongoing sins of the flesh (his in particular) do not take away his Eternal Life, nor ours. So really it was just an un-supported assertion. An obstacle and smooth talk being placed in the way of learning Paul’s doctrines as written in this letter.

3. Plus, something was said to the effect; Yes but, 'eternal doesn't really mean eternal'. Second rule of formal debate rebuttals; really??? Eternal isn't eternal! Again, awfully ‘smooth talk’ with zero substantive Biblical evidence behind it being placed as an obstacle to Paul’s doctrine.

 

[FreeGrace]

You haven't posted any scripture at all.

This claim is false. This is what I said that this is a response to:
"First, the 2 verses of 1 Cor 15 have been exegeted to show that such an interpretation isn't what the verses mean."

So, I not only posted 1 Cor 15:1 and 2, I exegeted them.

Saying that the plain words of scripture doesn't mean what they say is hardly an exegesis.

That's not exegesis and that's not what I did.

 

[FreeGrace]

OSAS depends heavily on so many passages 'not really' meaning what they so plainly say.

Really, now? If that is true, then please explain what all the verses in the OP are teaching then. I believe all of those verses very plainly teach OSAS and ES. But if not, please show how they do not by explaining what they are teaching.

IOW, you can't understand the passages of scripture for what they actually mean, you can only read the plain words and understand them for what they plainly say

Tell us the plain meaning of all the verses in the OP then.

It plainly says the condition for abiding in the Son is IF what you heard from the beginning abides in you.

And I agree with that!!

And the condition for having eternal life is that you are in the Son:

And I agree with this too!!

And i explained the DIFFERENCE between being "in Christ" and "abiding in Christ".

The onus is on you to prov there is no difference. Just sayin' so doesn't make it so.

LOS doctrine seems to ignore the plain fact of fellowship which is taught in Scripture. If LOS doctrine does accept fellowship, what it is about, what is it for? Please answer.

 

[FreeGrace]

Nor sir, that is exactly what the scripture says.

No sir, it doesn't. In fact.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9 KJV

9 Everyone must continue to follow only the teaching about Christ. Whoever changes that teaching does not have God. But whoever continues to follow the teaching about Christ has both the Father and his Son. 2 John 1:9 ERV

9 Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ, hath not God: he that abideth in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 1:9 ASV

9 every one who is transgressing, and is not remaining in the teaching of the Christ, hath not God; he who is remaining in the teaching of the Christ, this one hath both the Father and the Son; 2 John 1:9 YLT

Trying to conflate 2 different verses doesn't prove anything.

2 Jn 9 is about those who have left the faith because of false theology. To "not have" here speaks of being 'out of touch with" God. One is no longer following correct theology.

Since the Bible is plainly clear about eternal life being an irrevocable gift, there is NO WAY 2 Jn 9 can speak of loss of salvation.

 

[WIP]

Locking this discussion for two days. Hopefully this will allow emotions to come under control.

Edit: This thread is now unlocked. Please be kind and act like Christians.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

First, Paul described both justification (Rom 3:24, 5:15,16,17) and eternal life (Rom 6:23) as gifts of God. Then he wrote Rom 11:29 - the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable. Since he had already described what he meant by "gifts of God", there was no reason for him to specifically list what he meant by "gifts of God".
3:24 - being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus
6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

It's impossible that Paul was including the gift of eternal life in Romans 11:29 because that directly contradicts what Paul and John say here that one has to continue in the word by which they first believed in order to be saved and have eternal life:

"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

" 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."

9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.

11 ...God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

(1 John 2:23-26 NASB, 2 John 1:9 NASB, 1 John 5:11-12 NASB)

Besides, simply looking at Romans 11 shows us what Paul means by the gifts and calling to Israel being irrevocable:

28From the standpoint of the gospel they (Israel--see context) are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy." (Romans 11:28-31 NASB)

Israel rejected Christ, and the gospel went to the gentiles as a result. But because the promise of God's gifts and calling to Israel is irrevocable, Israelites who don't reject Christ will be shown mercy (vs. 31) and will inherit the irrevocable promises made to Abraham's natural descendants. A simple read of the passage shows us that's exactly what he's saying. It's hardly a passage to somehow prove that a person can believe and then not believe but stilled be saved because Paul says the gifts and calling of God to Israel are irrevocable. Even in this passage, Paul points out the necessity for the Israelites to have faith to be connected back to the root:

"if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again." (Romans 11:23 NASB).

He doesn't say Israel is still grafted in despite their unbelief. He says they are able to be grafted back in if they have faith. And we know he can only be talking about present day Israelites alive right now at any one time in history who "do not continue in their unbelief" because Jesus said it is impossible for someone who has died and gone to Hades to then cross over to Paradise (Luke 16:26 NASB). Romans 11 is about future Israelites being able to be grafted back into the root because they believe in Christ, not about unbelieving Israelites still being saved in their unbelief and rejection of Christ.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Second, every believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit when they believe (Eph 1:13). This sealing is a pledge with a view to the redemption of God's own possession (believers - Eph 1:14).
And, this sealing is for the day of redemption (Eph 4:30).
1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise
1:14 - who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.
4:30 - Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

First note what Paul says in the passage quoted above:

"...after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise..." (Ephesians 1:13 NASB)

The whole counsel of scripture teaches us that you have to continue in the message of truth which you heard to be saved:

"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

" 23Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."

9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.

11 ...God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

(1 John 2:23-26 NASB, 2 John 1:9 NASB, 1 John 5:11-12 NASB)

These passage make it impossible that Paul was saying you can never lose the seal of the Holy Spirit (and thus salvation/eternal life) even if you do not continue in the word by which you believed and were saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Third, Jesus tells us WHEN one HAS eternal life; when they believe (Jn 5:24).

This is not even in contention.
Non-OSAS agrees with scripture that when one believes they receive eternal life at that time. The point of contention is that the condition for keeping the life that is eternal is to keep believing, continuing in the word you first heard and by which you were saved.

Then, He tells us that those to whom He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH (Jn 10:28).
5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
10:28 - and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Again, the whole counsel of scripture shows us that Jesus' promise to "never perish" is conditioned on the believer continuing in the word by which he was saved:
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB
1 John 2:23-26 NASB, 2 John 1:9 NASB, 1 John 5:11-12 NASB

As we can read for ourselves in the passages above, if you lose the Son by not continuing in that which you heard in the beginning you can not have the eternal life that only comes by having the Son.

And it most certainly is true that no one can snatch the BELIEVING saint from the hand of God, for they are kept by the power of God himself THROUGH FAITH for the Day of Salvation that is coming:

"3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. " (1 Peter 1:5 NASB italics in original, bold and underline mine)

The power of God for the salvation and eternal life that is to come is accessed by faith. If you lose your faith you no longer have the power of God by which you are protected for the future inheritance. The security of salvation is found in your faith. No more faith means no more security for the salvation/eternal life to be revealed at the end of the age.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Fourth, Paul stated that regardless of the believer's lifestyle, or "whether we are asleep or awake, we will be together with Him" in 1 Thess 5:10. The context begins in v.4 and contrasts believers with unbelievers, or day with night, or being alert with being asleep or sober with drunkeness.
4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;
5 for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness;
6 so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober.
7 For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night.
8 But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him.

Analysis of this passage:
v.4 tells us that believers are "not in darkness"
v.5 differentiates believers (sons of light and day) with unbelievers (not of night or darkness).
v.6 encourages believers to not live like unbelievers (not sleep as others do, but be alert and sober).
v.7 describes unbelievers and what they do.
v.8 explains that "since we are of the day" (believers), we need to be sober.
v.9 explains the destiny of the believer - not destined for wrath but for salvation
v.10 says that regardless of the believer's lifestyle, we will live together with Him.

Note in the OP's analysis of the passage:

"regardless of the believer's lifestyle" (bold mine)

This is exactly what non-OSAS says: The promises are for believers, even for the worst of struggling believers, not for those who no longer believe. The BELIEVER'S sinful lifestyle can only rob them of eternal life when/if that lifestyle represents a rejection of the blood by which they were sanctified (Hebrews 10:29 NASB).

IOW, lifestyle only determines the outcome of the person who has believed if and when that lifestyle is the result of them leaving faith in Christ in a contempt for that faith in Christ. Struggling, sinning saints white knuckling it in a '7 x 70' relationship with God still have the promises because they still believe in Christ's forgiveness.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Fifth, Jesus noted how people are saved in John 10:9 - “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

The Greek word for “enters” is in the aorist tense, meaning “in a point in time”, as opposed to the present tense, which those who believe in loss of salvation only emphasize. Iow, one must continue to believe in order to continue to have eternal life. Further, Paul used the aorist tense in his answer to the jailer in Acts 16:31, and Jesus used the aorist tense in Luke 8:12 “believed and be saved”.

There is no argument here.
Non-OSAS asserts that to keep the eternal life that the one who has believed received he must continue in his faith in the word by which he received that eternal life.

"1Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." (1 Corinthians 15: NASB)

The requirement to hold fast the word to be saved in the passage above is in the present tense. Even 'saved' is in the present tense, meaning the present state of salvation. The requirement to be presently saved is that you presently hold fast the word you heard in the past.

To say that a person is forever and irretrievably saved in a past moment of believing regardless of what they believe now directly contradicts both Paul's and John's teaching that you have to continue in the word that you believed at first in order to have salvation/ eternal life...assuming you really believed in the first place (if you want to interpret "unless you believed in vain" as meaning that).

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sixth, there are absolutely zero verses that warn us plainly that one can lose their salvation.

We know that "All Scripture is breathed out by God and is profitable for (1) TEACHING, for (2) reproof, for (3) correction, and for (4) training in righteousness". 2 Tim 3:16

If none of the verses above are FOR teaching, then which category do they apply to?

And, IF, any of the verses above are FOR teaching, then what, specifically, do they teach, if not eternal security?

That said, I request that anyone who desires to respond to this OP please address at least one of the 6 points I've made, and answer the questions regarding 2 Tim 3:16 .

Obviously, all these passages in the OP teach the security and surety of salvation/ eternal life. It's just that the whole teaching of scripture is that the promises are for BELIEVERS, not for ex-believers.

I have provided scriptures that reprove and correct and train the OSAS subscriber in the fact that the sure promises are conditioned on a continued present believing, not a one-time past belief that can fail but still secure the promises.

Salvation/ eternal life is eternally secure--IF you keep believing in the word of the gospel that you first heard.

"Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end."
(Hebrews 3:6 NASB)

"12 Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God. 13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end"
(Hebrews 3:12-14 NASB)

"22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off."
(Romans 11:22 NASB)

"1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain."
(1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

"21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— 23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard"
(Colossians 1:21-23 NASB)

"23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. 24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
25 This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you."
(1 John 2:23-26 NASB)


"9Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son."
12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
(2 John 1:9 NASB, 1 John 5:12 NASB)


"16 holding fast the word of life, so that in the day of Christ I will have reason to glory because I did not run in vain nor toil in vain."
(Philippians 2:16 NASB)

"26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins"
(Hebrews 10:26 NASB)

"5‘He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels."
(Revelation 3:5 NASB)