[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is a hypothesis

[Heidi]

Evolution is a "what if"? It comes from the what if a primate accidentally bred a hominid through mutation that accidentally bred homo sapiens that accidentally bred a human bieng? the odds of a primate evolving into a human who has billions of neurons which scientists say haven't even come close to manifesting their full potential are beyond astornomical. Yet evolutuionists consider themselves logical? Why do they embrace a theory with longer odds than the idea that God exists?

God's existence explains creation perfectly and nothing in the bible can be contradicted by reality. So why do evolutionists attribute the human race to astronomical odds that accidentally happened from 2 primates, but the rest of the primtaes survived? :o

Simple. They do not want to admit that an intelligence superior to themselves exists even though reality bears that out. We still do not understand the complete workings of even one cell, much less the trillions of cells that make up our environment. Nevertheless, they exist. So how did these cells that scientists are still using as the basis of life, yet still can't understand, get here? Why hasn't man conquered the answers of the universe if he is more intelligent than his creator? This is a huge contradiction, but unfortunately, the sins of pride & deception lead men to the notion that no intelligence superior to himself exists. Again, another oxymoron.

The astronomical odds that men came from apes which can still be found in the jungles or in the zoos where man put them, is the degree that men will go to to deny a superior intelligence. These are desperate measures and show the lack of respect for human life that we are nothing more than an accident that came out of creatures who can do nothing else but grunt, groan, eat, sleep, & copulate. We can only be considered intelligent if we use our gifts wisely and not to disrespect God or ourselves. But unfortunately, most do not, which is why we are creating our own demise.

Apes cannot come up with these bizarre theories because they don't have any sin. Sin comes from the capacity to know better but acting against what we know is true. And that is what separates the human being from an animal. The ability to to understand and appreciate our creation but unfortunately, humans use that gift to defy God and His creation which will only lead to our own death. Using our intelligence to say that we came from apes makes us no better than an ape which throws the survival of the fittest theory out the window! Apes do what they were created to do. Man does not.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

No, your evolution is a strawman, it doesn't reflect any sort of theory used by scientists.

 

[jwu]

Heidi, the problem with your line of reasoning is that you consider evolution to be a directed process, that getting humans was the goal of evolution.

Now, there are two possibilities:
Either there is a God. That God wanted some sort of humans. Then he could have manipulated evolution in a way so that He got what He wanted. There are no problems with odds then at all.

Or there is no God. Then there wasn't any goal to evolution, and it doesn't matter that the result was us humans. If we weren't humans but something else, and such a discussion was being done somewhere by these beings, then the same question could be asked - why did exactly we evolve?

 

[Heidi]

You hit the nail on the head. The notion of evolutionists is that humanity was not a goal, that we happened by accident, the odds of which are astronomical. Then there indeed would be no purpose to our lives whatsoever. We would be a fluke of nature just waiting to evolve into something else, although scientists aren't sure yet just what. So evolutionists not only see no purpose to our lives because there would be no designer, but there's no one to thank for our existence, thus no gratitude...unless of course, we give it to the apes.

We are thus reduced to being analyzed in a petrie dish just like people try to analyze a piece of music or a flower. But it can't be done because our creation is much bigger than our minds. And that is why there will always be things to learn about even one cell and how one cell functions, much less the trillions of cells interacting to form our environment & those in it.

Yes indeed, there is a superior intelligence who desgined the cell & how it should interact in the environment. And since there is a designer, there is also a purpose to our lives to have the glories of heaven forever. This shows tremendous love & respect for the human being and gives us value instead of being nothing more than an accident.

Without God, nothing makes sense. Nothing. But with God, everything makes sense because we not only have a purpose, but everything has happened the way the bible said it would. Humans breed humans and animals breed animals. Again, the truth is always simple & beautiful...a quote by Einstein, by the way. Einstein said at the end of his life that he thinks he wasted too much time trying to analyze life rather than to see the beauty that was already there. The truth never contradicts itself.

 

[reznwerks]

odds

You hit the nail on the head. The notion of evolutionists is that humanity was not a goal, that we happened by accident, the odds of which are astronomical.
How do you know the odds are astonomical. After all given the right set circumstances it may happen all the time just like frying an egg. We don't know what he circumstances were when life developed as it was probably different than today.
Then there indeed would be no purpose to our lives whatsoever.
Who says there has to be purpose to our lives? That is a human understanding.

We would be a fluke of nature just waiting to evolve into something else, although scientists aren't sure yet just what.
Again why is that so hard to accept? We just are, simple as that.

So evolutionists not only see no purpose to our lives because there would be no designer, but there's no one to thank for our existence, thus no gratitude...unless of course, we give it to the apes.
Again why is that so hard to understand. It is human reasoning that wants to make sense of our existance not something that is necessarily accurate.

We are thus reduced to being analyzed in a petrie dish just like people try to analyze a piece of music or a flower. But it can't be done because our creation is much bigger than our minds. And that is why there will always be things to learn about even one cell and how one cell functions, much less the trillions of cells interacting to form our environment & those in it.
There will always be things to learn because man is inquisitive. That is the way he evolved and the way things are.

Yes indeed, there is a superior intelligence who desgined the cell & how it should interact in the environment. And since there is a designer, there is also a purpose to our lives to have the glories of heaven forever. This shows tremendous love & respect for the human being and gives us value instead of being nothing more than an accident.
You can believe what you want but you have absolutely no evidence to base the claim. You want to argue odds of evolution what are the odds of a God existing and not being able to detect him or the motives of his deeds? Again the odds favor the evolutionist since we know we are here and we can observe what the past has revealed. The more we discover the more assured they become of the fact of evolution is real not the other way around.

Without God, nothing makes sense. Nothing. But with God, everything makes sense because we not only have a purpose, but everything has happened the way the bible said it would.
The bibles explanation is simple and lacking in reality. The bible says God made man and thats it case closed. Any grade school student can claim as much and not have to show evidence for it.

Humans breed humans and animals breed animals.
Man is an animal. Man is a primate. You may not want to accept it but its true. If man was so special why would God make him so similar to apes, monkeys and gorillas? Do you think he may have wanted to see how we would argue about the subject years in the future. If we were so special we wouldn't be like other primates.

Again, the truth is always simple & beautiful...a quote by Einstein, by the way. Einstein said at the end of his life that he thinks he wasted too much time trying to analyze life rather than to see the beauty that was already there. The truth never contradicts itself.
The end of life always brings regrets and Einstein as human is no different and nothing should be inferred by his quote. I am sure if he had it to do over again he wouldn't change a thing.

 

[jwu]

You hit the nail on the head. The notion of evolutionists is that humanity was not a goal, that we happened by accident, the odds of which are astronomical.

Yes, but for some reason that doesn't matter at all!

Yes, the odds that we as this particular species evolved were astronomical. But - something had to evolve. And whatever would have come out, its odds would have been astronomical too. What you're doing it's like throwing a million dice and then wondering that the particular result came up which you see then, after all its odds were astronomical. But some result had to come up, and whatever it was, the odds would have been astronomical. Therefore this does not make any sense as an argument against evolution.

Then there indeed would be no purpose to our lives whatsoever. We would be a fluke of nature just waiting to evolve into something else, although scientists aren't sure yet just what. So evolutionists not only see no purpose to our lives because there would be no designer, but there's no one to thank for our existence, thus no gratitude...unless of course, we give it to the apes.

The purpose of life in atheistic evolution would be entirely up to the individual, what he or he wants to make of the lifetime.
But note that evolution doesn't mean atheism. Myself i am a Christian but i also think that evolution is correct.
Since i believe in God there is no problem with a lack of purpose of life for me.

 

[Heidi]

So in order to admit there's no God, some people would go to the extent to say that we came from apes, there's no direction in our lives & formulate theories that contradict the way humans & animals breed and have astronomically long odds. Now those are desperate measures. Not only do they have nothing to do with reality, but they indicate the degree of existentialism and hopelessness that some people feel. There's nothing good about the theory of evolution. Nothing. It serves no purpose except to delude people into thinking they are not loved by God and that there is no more point to our lives than animals have. And most importantly of all, it contradicts reality today. The truth has no contradictions. And neither does the biblical explanation of creation. My beliefs are based on reality, not my imagination.

The bottom line is that if there is no God, then Christians have lost nothing. We will have the same fate as everyone else. But if there is a God, atheists have lost everying.

 

[Barbarian]

So in order to admit there's no God, some people would go to the extent to say that we came from apes, there's no direction in our lives & formulate theories that contradict the way humans & animals breed and have astronomically long odds.

No Heidi, those are entirely your own fantasies.

 

[reznwerks]

apes

So in order to admit there's no God, some people would go to the extent to say that we came from apes,
[color]Heidi for the last time we did not come from apes. We are apes so to speak. We evolved from ourselves.[/color]

- there's no direction in our lives & formulate theories that contradict the way humans & animals breed and have astronomically long odds. Now those are desperate measures.
How can it be desparate measures when we are only observing what we see? To conclude a God that is invisible , unreliable, and without any evidence whatsoever to exist is surly more desparate than to conclude the facts of evolution are true. Who has more to lose on the matter? If the evolutionist is wrong that is great news as he probably will have a chance at redeeming himself. If the theist is wrong then all bets are off and a big disappointment awaits at the end. Well maybe not since when you are dead you would not know it.

Not only do they have nothing to do with reality, but they indicate the degree of existentialism and hopelessness that some people feel.
I do agree that without a God people will feel the hopelessness of life itself. Is it better to believe something that is false or to accept the evidence of reality? Some would argue either way.

There's nothing good about the theory of evolution. Nothing. It serves no purpose except to delude people into thinking they are not loved by God and that there is no more point to our lives than animals have.
You cannot claim that evolutionist are deluding people. Religion is deluding people by making promises that can no where be testified too and no one has ever come back to confirm the promises. That is delusion at its utmost. Those that teach evolution have nothing to gain other than the hard truth being told where ever that leads you in your personal life.

And most importantly of all, it contradicts reality today. The truth has no contradictions. And neither does the biblical explanation of creation. My beliefs are based on reality, not my imagination.
You are correct in the statement you made that the truth has no contradictions. However the bible itself admits it has no evidence by making faith the cornerstone of its foundation.

The bottom line is that if there is no God, then Christians have lost nothing. We will have the same fate as everyone else. But if there is a God, atheists have lost everying.
On the contrary if there is a God atheists have not lost anything since they expected nothing. Certainly God (if he exists) is not going to condemn anyone for believing what was put in front of him to observe. He observed this with the brain that the God gave him. If the brain did not work as intended then it is God who is at fault and a loving God will understand this and forgive. On top of all this the atheist has lived his life courageously without the invisible means of support that Christians claim and have done charitable works and good deeds , fought and died for his (her) country without expecting some reward in the end. You tell me , who is the better person, the one who does good and expects a reward or the one who does good because its the right thing to do?

 

[Drew]

Yes, the odds that we as this particular species evolved were astronomical. But - something had to evolve. And whatever would have come out, its odds would have been astronomical too. What you're doing it's like throwing a million dice and then wondering that the particular result came up which you see then, after all its odds were astronomical. But some result had to come up, and whatever it was, the odds would have been astronomical. Therefore this does not make any sense as an argument against evolution.

Agreed. The notion that "long odds" is a good argument against evolution is an example of unsophisticated thinking. And I don't mean to be perjorative - proper thinking about this subject requires a little work and maybe even some relevant education. If I win a lottery, it may seem to be a miracle - it may seem that God must have his hand in it. Why? Because the odds are millions to one against me. And yet I won.

But, in the same spirit as what jwu has said, someone had to be the winner. It is a fundamental aspect of the lottery problem that each possible outcome is exceedingly unlikely and yet someone will win.

As I have said many times before in different threads, I think that the best place to get some mileage out of the "long odds" argument (from the perspective of someone who believes in design) is to look at the question of the very fundamental laws of nature and the associated "initial conditions" of our universe. Even in that context, though, the case is not at all obvious.

 

[Heidi]

So in order to admit there's no God, some people would go to the extent to say that we came from apes, there's no direction in our lives & formulate theories that contradict the way humans & animals breed and have astronomically long odds.

No Heidi, those are entirely your own fantasies.

If you're going to make statements like this, you better be able to back them up. Jwu has admitted there is no goal to life for evolutionists. Is that true of false? Or can't evolutionists agree? If there is a direction for humanity, then what is it? :o

Do you or do you not believe we were created by God? If you think God created us, then why do you think we came from apes? :o

Do humans breed anything but humans today? Do animals breed anything but animals? If not, then how are my opinions fantasies?

 

[jwu]

If you're going to make statements like this, you better be able to back them up. Jwu has admitted there is no goal to life for evolutionists. Is that true of false? Or can't evolutionists agree? If there is a direction for humanity, then what is it?

Heidi, taking people's statements out of context is dishonest.
I said this:

The purpose of life in atheistic evolution would be entirely up to the individual, what he or he wants to make of the lifetime.
But note that evolution doesn't mean atheism. Myself i am a Christian but i also think that evolution is correct.
Since i believe in God there is no problem with a lack of purpose of life for me.

Myself i am an evoluitionist and i quite think that there is a goal to life - as i am a Christian too.

Even for atheists (i don't say atheistic evolutionists here because the evolutionist part doesn't matter at all for this) there is such a thing as a goal of life, it's just up to each person to decide what his or her personal goal of life is.

 

[Barbarian]

If you're going to make statements like this, you better be able to back them up. Jwu has admitted there is no goal to life for evolutionists.

It appears you misrepresented his ideas. Shame on you.

Or can't evolutionists agree?

Since evolutionary theory makes no claims about that, it would depend on the particular religious beliefs of each person. Obviously, Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. would have slightly to greatly different ideas on that.

If there is a direction for humanity, then what is it?

Science can't give you that kind of thing. You need to find your own faith in that regard.

Do you or do you not believe we were created by God?

Do you know any Christians who don't? The difference is, I accept the way He did it.

If you think God created us, then why do you think we came from apes?

If you're thinking of modern apes, that's wrong. If you mean other manlike organisms, yes, that's how God did it. Most Christians accept this. But the important thing for a Christian is that only our bodies are from the earth. We also have an immortal soul, and every one of us is given that directly by God since He gave that to Adam and Eve.

Do humans breed anything but humans today? Do animals breed anything but animals? If not, then how are my opinions fantasies?

We see new species evolve even in the short period of a human lifetime. We see the evolution of higher taxa in the fossil record, and this is supported by genetic, biochemical, and anatomical evidence.

 

[Heidi]

If you're going to make statements like this, you better be able to back them up. Jwu has admitted there is no goal to life for evolutionists. Is that true of false? Or can't evolutionists agree? If there is a direction for humanity, then what is it?

Heidi, taking people's statements out of context is dishonest.
I said this:
[quote:43cf7]The purpose of life in atheistic evolution would be entirely up to the individual, what he or he wants to make of the lifetime.
But note that evolution doesn't mean atheism. Myself i am a Christian but i also think that evolution is correct.
Since i believe in God there is no problem with a lack of purpose of life for me.

Myself i am an evoluitionist and i quite think that there is a goal to life - as i am a Christian too.

Even for atheists (i don't say atheistic evolutionists here because the evolutionist part doesn't matter at all for this) there is such a thing as a goal of life, it's just up to each person to decide what his or her personal goal of life is.[/quote:43cf7]

How can you be a Christian and not believe that God created man and animals the way the bible said he did? The bible even uses the word "we" when talking about who created the world. Who do you think the "we" is? The tooth fairy? Jesus himself says he created the world along with his Father. How can you be a Chrisian and not believe Christ? Do you not believe Romans 1:18-31? Do you not believe Genesis? Where does the bible say we came from apes?

You give off mixed messages which are very contradictory. The bible claims that sin will increase, not decrease, So how is anyone evolving? :o

The bible said the goal for Christians is eternal life. Do you again not believe the bible?

Sorry, but since your words are contradictory, they are not credible.

 

[Soma-Sight]

How can you be a Christian and not believe that God created man and animals the way the bible said he did?

The problem here Heidi is the simple fact that the Genesis account of the creative act of physical reality as we know it..... is as "specific" as a three year old explaining the science of RNA transcription to a college graduate educational convention.....

Not only does the child not know of the existance of RNA Polymerase II, he probably doesnt even know how many hydrogen bonds Adanine forms with Uracil......

The exact "mechanism" of God's creative abilities as described in the Biblical account is "lacking" in the simplest semblance of terms with any "definable" humanistic parallels....

So a simple question for you Heidi is..... what is the correct "hypothesis" that a Christian should take in regards to interpretting the Genesis account in light of its description.....? Should we believe in "THE HOCUS POCUS PARADIGM" which is an overweight, white God sitting on a cloud waving a magic wand around creating things into existance on a 2 Dimensional elecrtical gradient?

That is basically what the Evangelical camp holds to be true in recent times.... I just am not too sure on empirically validating this theory with our current scientific and rational knowledge....

 

[Heidi]

How can you be a Christian and not believe that God created man and animals the way the bible said he did?

The problem here Heidi is the simple fact that the Genesis account of the creative act of physical reality as we know it..... is as "specific" as a three year old explaining the science of RNA transcription to a college graduate educational convention.....

Not only does the child not know of the existance of RNA Polymerase II, he probably doesnt even know how many hydrogen bonds Adanine forms with Uracil......

The exact "mechanism" of God's creative abilities as described in the Biblical account is "lacking" in the simplest semblance of terms with any "definable" humanistic parallels....

So a simple question for you Heidi is..... what is the correct "hypothesis" that a Christian should take in regards to interpretting the Genesis account in light of its description.....? Should we believe in "THE HOCUS POCUS PARADIGM" which is an overweight, white God sitting on a cloud waving a magic wand around creating things into existance on a 2 Dimensional elecrtical gradient?

That is basically what the Evangelical camp holds to be true in recent times.... I just am not too sure on empirically validating this theory with our current scientific and rational knowledge....

Yes, the explanation in Gensis is simple enough for a 3 year old to understand it. But evolutionists apparently cannot.

Gensis 1:25, "And God made the wild animals according to their own kinds, the livestock according to their own kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their own kinds."

"Then God said 'Let us make man in our image in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground...the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

This is, as you say, clear enough for a child to understand. God created men separately in his image and formed him from the dust of the earth, not coming our of the wombs of animals!

But again, man thinks he know better how we were created. So he invents a theory that the DNA of primates spontaneously and accidentally developed new characteristics of speech, cognition, the ability to conceptualize, etc.. So again, where did these characterisitcs come from? :o Mutation cannot produce new genes that are of a superior quality & not inherent in the cell structure of the species they inhabit! It can only act on the characteristics already present in the cell! This has been shown throughout history. And the odds that 2 couples of primates had the exact same mutation so as to produce 2 different offspring who will eventually mate and produce thier own offspring that will eventually turn into man is not only astronomical, but preposterous and has not been shown throughout history.

But since evolutionists simply can't admit there's a God, they have to find some way to prove that God did not create man. So they go back to the drawing board to study the cells and find some way to turn the impossible into the possible. But reality shows the opposite. It bears out the biblical account of creation perfectly! Humans still breed humans and animals still breed animals. Humans rule over anumals and are in the likeness of God because we can form concepts, think, speak, build buildings, rocket ships, etc.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what humans breed & what animals breed. That's why Jesus said to come to him like a little child. Children do not have the sin of pride to think they have all the answers. All they do is observe reality and that is why they understand it far more than many adults do. They're not interested in playing God, they're only interested in experiencing & enjoying the reality around them. And that is why they are much happier than adults and more resilient. It is only when they begin to observe what adults do to each other that they become miserable.

 

[reznwerks]

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Yes, the explanation in Gensis is simple enough for a 3 year old to understand it. But evolutionists apparently cannot.
Thats because most evolutionists are not children. Being gullible like a child when an adult is not something to be proud of .

Gensis 1:25, "And God made the wild animals according to their own kinds, the livestock according to their own kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their own kinds."

"Then God said 'Let us make man in our image in our likeness and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground...the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."

This is, as you say, clear enough for a child to understand. God created men separately in his image and formed him from the dust of the earth, not coming our of the wombs of animals!
Well then if true it should be easy enough to prove. You can't prove it? Why not? Well then lets ask some questions. Have you or scientists ever witnessed spontanious life erupting from the dirt? NO? Then why should we believe it? Do we have other testamony from reliable sources that make the same claim? No? Why not? Is there any likely reason to believe that somehow man escaped the normal process of evolution and God sprung him up from the ground independently of other animals? No? If God did as you say then why is there so much coincidence with other mammals as to DNA and their bodily functions and similarities? Makes you think doesn't it? Or at least it should.

But again, man thinks he know better how we were created.
Man doesn't know how he was created but he knows it probably was not supernatually inspired until he can prove a God exists and is able to communicate and find out for sure.

So he invents a theory that the DNA of primates spontaneously and accidentally developed new characteristics of speech, cognition, the ability to conceptualize, etc..
As I said in another post it was intelligence that is mans claim to fame. Primates do and have been observed to exhibit methods of communication as well. Man just does it better.

So again, where did these characterisitcs come from?
WHo knows where they come from. Not having an answer does not mean God.

:o Mutation cannot produce new genes that are of a superior quality & not inherent in the cell structure of the species they inhabit!
I don't know either way but why not? Thats what a mutation is. Why can't something mutate into something better? Where did you get that one?

It can only act on the characteristics already present in the cell!
Since when are you a PHD ?

This has been shown throughout history. And the odds that 2 couples of primates had the exact same mutation so as to produce 2 different offspring who will eventually mate and produce thier own offspring that will eventually turn into man is not only astronomical, but preposterous and has not been shown throughout history.
Your reasoning is both incorrect and simplistic. The entire species evolved in certain areas. Man did not cover the entire earth when he started to evolve.

But since evolutionists simply can't admit there's a God, they have to find some way to prove that God did not create man.
How can you admit something if there is no proof or evidence. That is no different than admitting to a crime you did not commit.Whould you do it?

So they go back to the drawing board to study the cells and find some way to turn the impossible into the possible.

You should rephrase that to the likely to the probable.
But reality shows the opposite. It bears out the biblical account of creation perfectly! Humans still breed humans and animals still breed animals. Humans rule over anumals and are in the likeness of God because we can form concepts, think, speak, build buildings, rocket ships, etc.
On the sixth day God created man and on the seventh man returned the favor. We are like God because we can create buildings, and rocket ships? If God is an alien maybe. We can form concepts and think because we can not because God made us do this. First you need to prove a God exists then you need to confirm his intentions.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what humans breed & what animals breed.
Exactly correct. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to observe that man breeds just like other animals and has much of the DNA of other animals etc. To say that the creator who made man in his image also has bodily functions and produces like man is not much better than the man he creates. If we are in Gods image as you say what does this say about the condition of the afterlife.

That's why Jesus said to come to him like a little child.
Jesus said it because if anyone thinks as he should he is going to reject what is told and for good reason. As the bible said it only has faith to offer as evidence. Those are not my words and those that argue against it are decieving themselves. It's one thing to have faith if their is reason for that faith. However when one make fantastic claims there should be fantastic evidence and when none is found you must question the one making the appeal.

Children do not have the sin of pride to think they have all the answers.
The bible claims to have all the answers so what do you call this? Children believe anything they are told. I have never seen this trait admired in anyone let alone adults. To demand the same of adults is questionable. If the claims in the bible were true they should be self evident and obvious. Surly God would not go to all the trouble to hide the evidence like he did the flood.

All they do is observe reality and that is why they understand it far more than many adults do.
It was this simplistic reasoning that led man to believe the world was flat and that you would fall of the end of the earth if you sailed to far out. Surly you have heard the world is round. It was simple minded thinking that led man to believe the sun revolved around the earth. In case you missed you science class the opposite is true. So believing like a child and not asking or proving the answers is not something that has been shown to be reliable or accurate in the past. Only when one questions and puts claims to the test is the truth found out. Remember before there was evolution there was the bible. Did you do the math yet?

They're not interested in playing God, they're only interested in experiencing & enjoying the reality around them.
You haven't been to a day care have you? LOL I have witnessed some of most abhorrent behavior of children . In fact it's children that have demonstrated some of the meanest behavior to each other I have witnessed. Anyone who has kids and is honest will readily admit to the jealousy, the power plays and scheming that goes on at the childs level.

And that is why they are much happier than adults and more resilient. It is only when they begin to observe what adults do to each other that they become miserable.
You must be a depressed person yourself. If children are happier its because they don't have anything to be concerned about as mommy and daddy take care of every whim. Try looking at some kids from deprived and abused homes and see if they exhibit happy behavior.

 

[Heidi]

So pretending you're omniscient is preferrable to admitting you aren't? Children don't claim to know how the universe was created. Adults do. Adults can be much more easily deceived than children.

Of course we can prove creationism! The universe functions exactly the way the bible describes it! The only ones who cannot see it are the ones who have blinders on. 8-) So they invent theories that contradict the way humans and animals breed.

So why aren't primates running the world? :o Again, blinders. 8-)

This is one of the only honest statements you've made, rezenwerks. Evoltuionists don't know where these characteristics came from & have no explanation for them. Yet they ask people to belive something just because they say so. Sorry, that's not evidence.

What you're saying is that you can't think for yourself. You simply trust that every Ph.D knows what he's talking about. Sorry, but again, no one is omniscient. You cannot by yourself understand that the characteristics of a cell have to exist in the first place for them to mutate. Yet evolutionists ask people to believe that new genes spontaneouly appeared in a cell. If they spontaneously appeared in the cell then they would have nothing whatsoever to do with what was already in the cell. That's like saying your body would suddenly produce the genes of a dog. In that case, there is no evolution.

Sorry, but as i already said, humans & apes breed just like the bible said they would. Again, evidence can only be found in reality, not in the imagination.

I have to be some place. i will be back later to respond to the rest of your post.

 

[Heidi]

Actually, the authors of the bible knew the world was round long before anyone sailed around it.

People don't accept everything they're told except people who listen to anyone with a Ph.d! What makes the theory of evolution implausible is not only reality, but it contradicts the reproductive processes of humans & animals & the scientific theory that we are all in a state of decay. Once again, the truth about our creation is right in front of your eyes. You simply reject it for man-made theories which is in itself irrational because man is fallible.

As I already said, children are happy until they see what adults do to each other. You've proven my point quite well. ;-)

 

[Barbarian]

Actually, the authors of the bible knew the world was round long before anyone sailed around it.

Heidi, there is only one Author of the Bible. And He knew the Earth was round long before there were humans.

Humans figured out that it was round, (which is what's in the Bible) and then later figured out that it was also a sphere. The Greeks figured this out around 450 BC, and actually measured how big it was.

I really think you'd be a lot more comfortable in your faith, if you just focused on what God wants, and left how to manage creation up to Him.