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[_ Old Earth _] evolution without God
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SyntaxVorlon
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No, it doesn't. Because at basic levels the definition of life and nonlife are blurred. Virii are not alive, they are just replicating sequences of rna wrapped in protein packets. But this sort of near life could eventually become considered living if it wasn't already in the company of life.
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M82A1
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But you're forgetting one major factor: "Science is da tool of da Devul!"SyntaxVorlon said:
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SyntaxVorlon
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Oh yeah :fadein:
Well I'm feeling cold I better go and start banging rocks together.
Well I'm feeling cold I better go and start banging rocks together.
Featherbop
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But still no actual life forming has been observed by anyone. just pieces of what makes life does not count.
Thats like saying: Eggs=Birthday Cake
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There is no infallible, beyond a shadow of a doufght, undeafettable proof that humans are apes.
The supposed evidence is so circumstancial.
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My problem with science and evolution is that no matter what, they never answer the "why" questions.
They can't tell me why I exist, why I have a spirit and mind, why is the earth here, why is the universe what it is, why do we think, what is the meaning of existance, what is the purpose?
Maybe that doesn't make sense, but there is obviously a purpose. Science does nothing to help or explain this area of life.
Science trying to do that would be like someone trying to jump out the window and fly, it would fail every time.
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And someone still needs to prove to me that scientists aren't lying, and being a conspiracy. Why should I blindly believe science and human knowledge? I don't have to settle for that lowness.
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Ok, whatever, my correct opinions have not and will not change, I hereby conclude my debate, disscussion or whatever It was on this topic.
Thats like saying: Eggs=Birthday Cake
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There is no infallible, beyond a shadow of a doufght, undeafettable proof that humans are apes.
The supposed evidence is so circumstancial.
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My problem with science and evolution is that no matter what, they never answer the "why" questions.
They can't tell me why I exist, why I have a spirit and mind, why is the earth here, why is the universe what it is, why do we think, what is the meaning of existance, what is the purpose?
Maybe that doesn't make sense, but there is obviously a purpose. Science does nothing to help or explain this area of life.
Science trying to do that would be like someone trying to jump out the window and fly, it would fail every time.
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And someone still needs to prove to me that scientists aren't lying, and being a conspiracy. Why should I blindly believe science and human knowledge? I don't have to settle for that lowness.
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Ok, whatever, my correct opinions have not and will not change, I hereby conclude my debate, disscussion or whatever It was on this topic.
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SyntaxVorlon
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There are only three differences between humans and other apes.
Body Hair: We've got less, though in the case of mediterraneans not by much.
Erect stature: We stand up, all other apes have a bone structure that leaves them partially bowed down.
Language: We speak with our mouths.
That's it.
Body Hair: We've got less, though in the case of mediterraneans not by much.
Erect stature: We stand up, all other apes have a bone structure that leaves them partially bowed down.
Language: We speak with our mouths.
That's it.
You don't have to. You can go and read the papers that come out. You can set up their experiments and test them. They detail every part of their procedure. If you think they're lying test them. If you don't then you're just blowing smoke.
That is because that is NOT the purpose of science. Science is about figuring out the how's, not the why's. If you want why's go to philosophy.
Well done, you've completely ignored my blurred borders between life and nonlife statement. At this level life is nonexistant, but its predecessors are. A replicating protein is not alive. But given mutations it will find ways to replicate better, faster, more often. This is the humble beginning of life.
syntax,
Yes, it does.
Ahh, when in doubt just blur everything. The point is if life cannot come about from non-life, then things cannot arrange themselves and create life if there was no life to begin with. So there still remains a direct violation of this principle.
Yes, it does.
Ahh, when in doubt just blur everything. The point is if life cannot come about from non-life, then things cannot arrange themselves and create life if there was no life to begin with. So there still remains a direct violation of this principle.
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victorhadin
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SyntaxVorlon said:
I recommend plutonium. It'll get you nice and toasty.
You'll get a tan, too.
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evanman
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SyntaxVorlon wrote
Not so, apes don't have feet like humans. Human DNA is different (about 1.5%)
Humans have bigger brains and more advanced reasoning capabilities.
Humans have a rapid ability to learn languages, apes need intensive reinforcement in order to acquire only a limited amount of language skills.
Apes have:
1. small brain size, averaging about 400 cc (ancient apes had brains up to 530 cc)
2. arms longer than the legs
3. feet like hands with opposable big toe
4. walking on all fours
5. spine joins skull from the back
6. a knee joint that will not lock upright
7. very hairy body (for heat insulation)
8. coloured sclera of the eye (brown)
9. vocal cords capable of only simple sounds
10. earlier sexual maturity
11. no hymen or ‘live’ clitoris in female
12. mammary glands purely for milk production
Humans Have
1. large but very variable brain size, averaging about 1400 cc (fossils range from 700-1700 cc)
2. legs longer than the arms
3. feet for walking, not climbing
4. upright posture and gait
5. spine joins skull from below
6. 47 facial muscles for expression
7. flesh and organ tissue more like pig than ape
8. knee joints that lock upright
9. short, low-density hair over most of the body
10. white sclera
11. voice-box capable of complex sounds & singing
12. later sexual maturity
13. hymen, clitoris, pubic hair, sexual climax in female
14. female breasts enhanced (by body fat)
Not so, apes don't have feet like humans. Human DNA is different (about 1.5%)
Humans have bigger brains and more advanced reasoning capabilities.
Humans have a rapid ability to learn languages, apes need intensive reinforcement in order to acquire only a limited amount of language skills.
Apes have:
1. small brain size, averaging about 400 cc (ancient apes had brains up to 530 cc)
2. arms longer than the legs
3. feet like hands with opposable big toe
4. walking on all fours
5. spine joins skull from the back
6. a knee joint that will not lock upright
7. very hairy body (for heat insulation)
8. coloured sclera of the eye (brown)
9. vocal cords capable of only simple sounds
10. earlier sexual maturity
11. no hymen or ‘live’ clitoris in female
12. mammary glands purely for milk production
Humans Have
1. large but very variable brain size, averaging about 1400 cc (fossils range from 700-1700 cc)
2. legs longer than the arms
3. feet for walking, not climbing
4. upright posture and gait
5. spine joins skull from below
6. 47 facial muscles for expression
7. flesh and organ tissue more like pig than ape
8. knee joints that lock upright
9. short, low-density hair over most of the body
10. white sclera
11. voice-box capable of complex sounds & singing
12. later sexual maturity
13. hymen, clitoris, pubic hair, sexual climax in female
14. female breasts enhanced (by body fat)
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SyntaxVorlon
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Ok so my list was a bit short, you haven't provided a reason humans are significantly different from other apes in general. But then I bet you just don't want your chimp cousins over for dinner parties(a good enough reason, but not very polite).
Free:
I provided an example of virii, which are not considered alive technically. And amino acids do arrange themselves into simple proteins with time and energy, which ancient oceans had in spades. Some randomly generated simple proteins do have self replicating abilities. One of these is the great granddaddy of life, or several as mitochondria were another form of protein strands before they mirged with ancient organic cells.
This isn't saying that life just popped out of nonlife. It's saying that replicating proteins came out of nonlife. Life came out of replicating proteins.
Love subtlety don't you?
Free:
I provided an example of virii, which are not considered alive technically. And amino acids do arrange themselves into simple proteins with time and energy, which ancient oceans had in spades. Some randomly generated simple proteins do have self replicating abilities. One of these is the great granddaddy of life, or several as mitochondria were another form of protein strands before they mirged with ancient organic cells.
This isn't saying that life just popped out of nonlife. It's saying that replicating proteins came out of nonlife. Life came out of replicating proteins.
Love subtlety don't you?
