[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

[Gary]

Horse before the cart...

There are fewer transitional fossils today than in Darwin’s day. For many things thought to be transitional turned out not to be.

The evolution of the horse is a case in point. Even evolutionists acknowledge that the alleged progression is not a continuous transformational series. There is a devolution in some cases (e.g., the number of ribs in the earlier Eohippus is 18 and the later Orohippus is 15). Likewise the number of ribs in the earlier Pliohippus is 19 while the later Equus Scotti is 18. Even most evolutionists have given this up as a proof of evolution.

The smallest (dog-sized) animal in the series (Eohippus) is not a horse but a rock badger.

LOL...

GREAT religion this evolution!!

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

It's a very poor religion. There's no dogma, it's testable so no faith to speak of, it's completely amenable to change as the evidence is found and is subjected to peer review.
Priests can't change the bible, point out mistakes, or test accuracy of accounts.
There isn't some holyman showing everyone the path to enlightenment.

Its just an explanation of the evidence that the world has to offer. And it does the most adequate job of explaining it in science today.

 

[Barbarian]

There are fewer transitional fossils today than in Darwin’s day.

How many do you think there were in Darwin's day? Let us know, and then we'll do some comparisons.

For many things thought to be transitional turned out not to be.

Many? Can we get a short list?

The evolution of the horse is a case in point. Even evolutionists acknowledge that the alleged progression is not a continuous transformational series.

Actually, this is sort of an "adjustment" of the observation by Raup that the evolution of horses is a "bush" with several lines of evolution in several directions, not a ladder with only one line. Would you like to talk about the line that leads to modern horses? We can go over it in detail, and you can see for yourself.

There is a devolution in some cases (e.g., the number of ribs in the earlier Eohippus is 18 and the later Orohippus is 15).

Ribs are often variable, even within species. Modern horses, which are all one genus, have variable ribs. There is no "devolution". You merely have evolution in different directions.

The smallest (dog-sized) animal in the series (Eohippus) is not a horse but a rock badger. [/img]

"Rock Badger" is a common name for the Hyrax. Here's a hyrax skull:

And a hyrax:

Hyracotherium was named by error; it's nothing like a hyrax. Here's a hyracotherium skull:

And a reconstruction of Hyracotherium:

Not remotely alike.

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Indeed. You've been misled by people who know no more than you do.

GREAT religion this evolution!!

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Any unknown knowledge looks magical. Learn about it, and it's no longer mysterious.

 

[reznwerks]

[LOL...

GREAT religion this evolution!!

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Sorry but evolution is not a religion. If it was it still has more evidence than yours which bases its foundation on faith which is hardly admissable in court. Keep trying though.

 

[jgarden]

Four hundred years ago we would be arguing that only "atheists" believe that the earth is a sphere and rotates around the sun. In a God inspired universe whether we got here through "creation" or "evolution" is a secondary issue at best.

Our existance is the one undeniable fact, and the real "miracle." Endless "bashing" of other Christians and non believers diverts our attention and does little to spread the real Christian "message."

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Verging on necromancy.
And I'm afraid it's also verging on a tu quoque argument.

 

[Featherbop]

Most parts of evolution don't seem to be a religion.

Some ideas that the ToE has produced must be accepted on faith, and belief, without proof.

Origins of life and evolution of humans comes to mind here.

The parts that have been shown to happen, are an aid to creationism, and are not a religion, but a part of that religion.

The parts of evolution not observed or shown to happen ever are not a religion, but are a part of a religion, called atheism.

So, evolution=not religion.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Most parts of evolution don't seem to be a religion.

Some ideas that the ToE has produced must be accepted on faith, and belief, without proof.

Origins of life and evolution of humans comes to mind here.

If you mean abiogenesis, etc, then you've got the wrong idea, it has nothing to do with evolution.
As for the evolution of humans, there is a wealth of information about earlier homonids from fossil evidence.

The parts that have been shown to happen, are an aid to creationism, and are not a religion, but a part of that religion.

The parts of evolution not observed or shown to happen ever are not a religion, but are a part of a religion, called atheism.

So, evolution=not religion.

atheism != religion

 

[Featherbop]

abiogenesis is where is has to start with the atheist. The evolution has to start there right? It is the considered start, correct? Evolution is thought to start and continue from there? Just like big bang is not evolution, but it is the start of it, later on?

As for human evolution, I'm sure you have great knowledge of the earlier humans, what they were like. I just don't think you have human-ape transitional fossils. humans could easily have been different, but still as the humans of today.

I will gladly believe that humans evolved from other apes, but you must let me observe this event first.

but anyway, the unproven, false ideas like abiogenesis and human from lower apes, are proponents of ateism, and have no place in reality. Unless someone shows it to me, I won't believe something so outlandish. Most "evolution" just helps creationism anyway.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

No, the theory of abiogenesis has nothing to do with how evolution works.

I just don't think you have human-ape transitional fossils. humans could easily have been different, but still as the humans of today.

Not if they're an australopithicus, the differences become obvious. Almost all of the gamut of pre sapien homonid species have been found and the picture is fairly clear that we're cousins of the chimps and bonobos.

 

[Bryan]

If you mean abiogenesis, etc, then you've got the wrong idea, it has nothing to do with evolution.

Right. And Adam & Eve have nothing to do with Noah's Ark, which has nothing to do with Chist on the Cross.

Abiogenesis not being part of the evolutionary religion makes for a nice defence, but it's hardly accurate. They depend upon each other intrinsically. With out each other all the lies fall apart quite quickly.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

They depend upon each other intrinsically. With out each other all the lies fall apart quite quickly.

No they do not, whatever the way primordial simple replicating proteins came together to form the first sort of life, if that is indeed how it happened does not change the fact that evolution happens.
They are not inseparable.

 

[Bryan]

No they do not, whatever the way primordial simple replicating proteins came together to form the first sort of life, if that is indeed how it happened does not change the fact that evolution happens.
They are not inseparable.

Only if by the word "fact", you actually mean "fantasy".

 

[Featherbop]

No they do not, whatever the way primordial simple replicating proteins came together to form the first sort of life, if that is indeed how it happened does not change the fact that evolution happens.
They are not inseparable.

Only if by the word "fact", you actually mean "fantasy".

Well, thats what a lot of evolution is anyway. Why not refer to it as "fantasy".

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

So you're not going to respond and you just want to childishly make unsupported claims?
Fine, Concession Accepted.

 

[Bryan]

So you're not going to respond and you just want to childishly make unsupported claims?
Fine, Concession Accepted.

You're the one who thinks that posting some crayon drawings is supporting your position. You've been here a while, and you've yet to post a single line that even comes close to showing that evolution is anything other than a goofy hoax.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

1: When have I posted crayon drawings?
2: That's because I make complete arguments, you haven't made one in this thread.

 

[Guest]

Yes,evolution is a religion!
It takes greater faith to believe in with no evidence at all. You have no evidence,amen.
Christians have evidence in their own lives that God lives.
Evolution is not testable,verifiable,repeatable,cannot be produced in lab or field,and it is not observable.
It takes faith to believe in this fairytale religious belief and all one has to do is look into ancient pagan occults!
Muslims and the Pope believe in evolution too. It is a religion,admit it. :Fade-color

 

[Guest]

You are right on Bryan!

 

[cubedbee]

It takes extraordinary ignorance or denial to believe that evolution is a religion.