[_ Old Earth _] Failure of the "evolution" religion

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Re: israel

:B-fly: Quath,someday you'll have to believe in something. If you believe you can be an atheist all your life,who can change your mind unless it's God or some world leader,unless you choose to die for atheism.
The world is religious in the sense that all religious views are accepted. It doesn't matter to the world as a whole if it's pagan religion or what,it's just religion to the world.
Quath,you know you are free at this time to believe as you wish.
I don't share your views because I know better,and just because you don't believe me doesn't matter,I believe the way I do for very good reason, and I'm sure you feel that way too.
I hope that you'll just remember what I told you when you find out God is true and he really is good during the tribulation.

Please check out these sites on the exodus: http://www.jcsm.org/misc/TheExodus.htm
http://www.levitt.com
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/ans ... ottery.php
http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm
http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/285/Q1/

 

[Guest]

Re: israel

If they follow the New Testament,they don't hate the jew's do they?

Some do. They see the parts where the Jews voted to kill Jesus and they hate the Jews for it. Many call the Jews "Christ Killers." So you can follow the NT and still hate anyone. The Bible does not show morality since any issue can be proven and disprove with the Bible.

:o What?
The Jew's didn't all want to kill Jesus Christ. Jesus had a great following.
Many jew's did want him killed because they just didn't get it,that God could actually have a son,and that their deliverer could be God himself in
the flesh. Now I am not trying to excuse the jew's who killed Jesus,and some were jealous of him who were the religious leaders,ect.... But many of the jew's he did want him killed just couldn't believe what Jesus said.
God will deal with the nation of Israel though,and we should not hate the jew's or blame Israel. It was the Romans who did the actual killing,and out of Rome came the Mafia,but there are many,many Romans who love Jesus Christ and didn't want him killed.
The Jew's got into trouble with God,but there is no race or nation,country,ect who has not sinned against God.
The Jew's should not be singled out.
God does not promote hate,although if we all read the scriptures the way you do,it might confuse us,but we don't. No offense to you at all,but the way you interpret the bible is not the way most of us who believe it interpret it,and thats what I mean by that.
To fight back when someone may kill you and all your people is not hate,especially if you didn't attack first. Turning against your own country use to mean you were a traitor,today,who knows what they call it?

 

[Quath]

Re: israel

Please check out these sites on the exodus:

I have been through a lot of Christian web sites before. One thing I notice is that there is a lot of bad information out there. Every relic of Jesus has been shown to be a fake. However, I have people ask me to check out a page of Jesus relics. It takes awhile to go through a website of "proofs" and show the documentation that they are all fake.

So I can not go through 5 websites and show the problems in any reasonable amount of time. So it would probably be better to present one thing for debate. (Maybe in its own thread.)

It was the Romans who did the actual killing

That is what I pointed out to the Christians that hated the Jews. However, logic rarely overcomes emotion.

God does not promote hate,although if we all read the scriptures the way you do,it might confuse us,but we don't. No offense to you at all,but the way you interpret the bible is not the way most of us who believe it interpret it,and thats what I mean by that.

I know that most Christians see their God as good. They have a hard time in the Bible when God acts in an evil manner. Some just say that God was recorded wrong then.

My mother use to be Presbyterian. However, her preacher said two things that made her leave the church. The first was that the wife had to obey the husband. Even if it involved committing a crime or a sin. The second was tha the Hawaiians that never heard of Jesus went to hell. She did not want to worship a God like that. So she rejected many of the teachings of the OT and focused instead on the NT.

However, where do you put an end to your personal morality and follow the rules of the Bible? Where do you draw the line between believing and not believing parts of the Bible? If you believe it all, you are forced to accept that God would send 2 bears to kill 42 children for making fun of a bald man. Or your God would kill a child because his father had an affair. Or God would want many men tortured to death for working on a day of rest.

Now maybe you can look at those acts and say they must be good in some manner. But I think you really have to twist your concept of "goodness" to allow for such behavior.

Quath

 

[Guest]

Re: israel

So what you are saying is if someone doesn't say what you believe to be true, then it can not be true.

:angel: Quath,thats not what I am saying,but if you want to take it that way,it's your free choice. Those who don't agree with God are wrong. Just because man hasn't figured out everything in scripture yet,doesn't make the word of God wrong. To believe God's word does take faith,but to believe in things like evolution makes no sense to me.
God's word is always right,but I cannot force you or anyone to believe it.
I just cannot accept claims that man evolved!
I believe that the first man and woman got here by a creator on purpose,and it's no accident they just happened to have fresh air,and food to eat,and all the conditions they needed in order to live and survive. I also believe that the planets didn't just get into the sky or the heavens by accident,or the stars either.
Things are too precise to be random.
If you don't believe in any god,why not just say that,why do you also have to believe in evolution too?
Evolution is totally off the wall to me. It's crackers!!!
But,thats just my opinion.

 

[Guest]

Re: israel

Please check out these sites on the exodus:

I have been through a lot of Christian web sites before. One thing I notice is that there is a lot of bad information out there. Every relic of Jesus has been shown to be a fake. However, I have people ask me to check out a page of Jesus relics. It takes awhile to go through a website of "proofs" and show the documentation that they are all fake.

So I can not go through 5 websites and show the problems in any reasonable amount of time. So it would probably be better to present one thing for debate. (Maybe in its own thread.)

It was the Romans who did the actual killing

That is what I pointed out to the Christians that hated the Jews. However, logic rarely overcomes emotion.

[quote:899d3]God does not promote hate,although if we all read the scriptures the way you do,it might confuse us,but we don't. No offense to you at all,but the way you interpret the bible is not the way most of us who believe it interpret it,and thats what I mean by that.

I know that most Christians see their God as good. They have a hard time in the Bible when God acts in an evil manner. Some just say that God was recorded wrong then.

My mother use to be Presbyterian. However, her preacher said two things that made her leave the church. The first was that the wife had to obey the husband. Even if it involved committing a crime or a sin. The second was tha the Hawaiians that never heard of Jesus went to hell. She did not want to worship a God like that. So she rejected many of the teachings of the OT and focused instead on the NT.

However, where do you put an end to your personal morality and follow the rules of the Bible? Where do you draw the line between believing and not believing parts of the Bible? If you believe it all, you are forced to accept that God would send 2 bears to kill 42 children for making fun of a bald man. Or your God would kill a child because his father had an affair. Or God would want many men tortured to death for working on a day of rest.

Now maybe you can look at those acts and say they must be good in some manner. But I think you really have to twist your concept of "goodness" to allow for such behavior.

Quath[/quote:899d3]

Quath,what is a Jesus relic? I don't own pictures of what some claim Jesus looks like. It's wrong to try to draw Jesus or have pictures that claim to have the face of Jesus on them. Many people do not know this yet.
It also seems to me that you believe the pagans were the true christian,and that the first christians were the Romans.
Quath,we are not to question God. When you look at the word of God the way you look at it,you will be confused.
I don't believe that women must take abuse from her husband,and I don't believe she must listen to an evil man who claims to be a christian man.
The only men who have the right to have a wife that obeys them are those who truly do love God and won't abuse anyone,not even an animal.
a woman cannot be expected to listen to those men who are wolves in sheep's clothing.
The reason a woman wants to obey a righteous man is because he has earned her trust. When a man is truly devoted to God,he will be devoted to his wife and children. He will be dependable,and worthy of trust. Women are naturally kind and good to men who are kind and good to them if they are christian women.
It's not hard for a christian man to have a wife that trusts in him and obeys him because he leads with a gentle hand,not an iron fist.
Q',you have to learn that there are many who claim to be christians who really are not true christians at all. In this world today it is hard to tell the difference between the true christians and the false christians.
And Yes,we all need to change our idea's about what is right and what is wrong. We all must humble ourselves to God,and get past ourselves.
People did all sorts of things that God didn't say they should do. We have examples in the bible of this.Yet,God still loves us.
God is God! We are not better than him,and we are not equal to him. We are made in his image,or likeness. I take this to mean that we are three in one like he is,a body,a mind,and a spirit,yet we are not great as he is. God knows far more than we could ever amagine. God knows the motives of our hearts,and he knows what we need and what is best.
It may not go along with what we think is best,or what we want at the time,but one day we will see that it was for our very best.
Some people actually thank God for un-answered prayers years later!
I don't blame your Mother for getting away from that Preacher,I would too.
I believe what the entire bible says,the old and the new testaments.
The way God made us has a natural order for our own goodness sake. It blesses God and a man and a woman in marriage if they are both doing their part. If you do it God's way,you learn this,but both people must be willing to try before they can see the excellent results. Children have a much happier life with both parents when they obey God.
A man or a woman cannot rule a home with violence or demands.They must both agree to listen to what God says. The only reason the man should take the lead is because someone needs to. It use to be a more natural role for a man. If a man and woman cannot agree on something,then the husband should make the final choice,but out of love,not by force. If a woman cannot trust her husband to lead her and the family,why would she marry him.
Trust is very precious in marriage,and this is why we shouldn't rush into marriage or take it lightly,but we also shouldn't fornicate while we wait for the right person to come along either.
When you look at God's word the way it was intended,you see a different story unfold.
God allows the man to be the protector and provider to be a blessing to the woman and the children,not to keep her down.
In the old testament,the men wanted to find all sorts of excuses to divorce their wives,but God made rules to protect women. If a man accused his wife falsely of having an affair,God would show that he was a liar,and most woman back then were no doubt more trustworthy than women today,I am sure of it,because things were so strict,and women were stoned for adultery back then.
Many men wanted to leave their wives,but God made it harder for them to get away with it. If they had more than one wife,many paid a heavy price for it.
The mens hearts were hardened,just like today,so many woman have also become hard too.
Many men today do not want all the responsibility of a wife and a family,they just want the easy sex.
Sex was not meant for the un-married. It was meant to be a pleasurable gift to the married. there was a time when marriage was envied,and desired,and marriage was once honored by people.
My parents were divorced when I was almost 13teen years old. They were not bible readers,and rarely ever went to church. My Mother left my Father for another man. After that,she had many boyfriends.
After many years of the worldly life,she chose to be baptised and began to go to church. She started going to church about three or four years ago. She is a Pentecostal.
After my brother died of A.I.D.'s,she developed greater faith in God. She claims God showed her something. I believe it because she's never been the same since.
My brother died one month before his 31'st birthday. Most Mothers would be bitter,but she wasn't bitter. That's an odd thing for my Mother,because she use to be a bitter woman. When she saw my brother in the casket,she just knew he wasn't in his old sick body anymore that had been ravished and torn up by that disease and so many i.v.'s,and operations. She felt he was with God. He is,because he was saved three years before.
My Mothers life changed!
She believes that God comforted her.
In my own family,the women controlled the men,not the other way around.
It was a great thing when God began to work in me.
I was first saved as a young girl. I started living worldly when I got older,and before I knew it,I was a big sinful mess,but God never,ever left me. In 1993,God sent someone to my house to teach me the word of God. I had been searching for the truth for awhile,but didn't know where to find it. Finally I started receiving the truth. Don't ask how I knew,I just knew it was the truth. I realized then and there that if you are truly wanting to know God,he will even send someone to you,and he did in my life after I got away from all kinds of false religions,ect....
I finally just let God do it instead of trying to do it myself. All I did was desire to know him,and care what he thinks. He'll do the rest.

 

[Quath]

Re: israel

If you don't believe in any god,why not just say that,why do you also have to believe in evolution too?

I believe in evolution because of the scientific evidence. It is separate from my lack of belief in a God.

Quath,what is a Jesus relic?

Something left over in history that was suppose to prove that jesus existed. Things like letters from jesus or burial boxes for his relatives.

Quath

 

[Wertbag]

Quath,someday you'll have to believe in something. If you believe you can be an atheist all your life,who can change your mind unless it's God or some world leader,unless you choose to die for atheism.

I've heard of this idea of one world religion and all people forced to believe, but that won't stop people being atheists. Atheists don't believe in any supernatural beings, so having a gun pointed at you and told you must believe won't actually change anyones minds. For self preservation alot of people would say "I'll believe in Zeus, allah, Jesus, the tooth fairy, just don't kill me", but still in your mind you'll be thinking "What a pack of lies, I don't believe this tripe".
There is a big difference between what you really believe and what you tell others you believe.
Can you tell me anything about the idea of the one world religion? Any idea which religion, when it is meant to happen, where in the world it will rise or what its ideas will be? I currently can't see any existing religion that could gain that much power, I could see a world war being possible but more country vs country than religion vs religion.

 

[Guest]

Re: israel

If you don't believe in any god,why not just say that,why do you also have to believe in evolution too?

I believe in evolution because of the scientific evidence. It is separate from my lack of belief in a God.

Quath,what is a Jesus relic?

Something left over in history that was suppose to prove that jesus existed. Things like letters from jesus or burial boxes for his relatives.

Quath

:B-fly: Evolution is a religious belief even if you don't yet know that.
I cannot believe in evolution. It makes no sense to me,and mans assumptions have been proven wrong many countless times by the bible itself.

 

[Guest]

I've heard of this idea of one world religion and all people forced to believe, but that won't stop people being atheists. Atheists don't believe in any supernatural beings, so having a gun pointed at you and told you must believe won't actually change anyones minds. For self preservation alot of people would say "I'll believe in Zeus, allah, Jesus, the tooth fairy, just don't kill me", but still in your mind you'll be thinking "What a pack of lies, I don't believe this tripe".
:B-fly: Well,I am a true christian child of Almighty God,but I am not trying to force you to believe me,or even to listen to me.
I honestly believe that inter-faithism will one day be the global one world religion. I believe it will be all religious views mixed together. People will claim that there are many ways to God,and people will tolerate one anothers religious views,and accept the faith of others.
Inter-faith churches are already being planned out as we speak,and the joining together of all religious groups,no matter if they are pagan,occult,sects,cults,you name it.
It's mans way of trying to cause Global peace and unity to happen.
It's also called religious freedom and tolerance to promote the well being and good of all people on earth.
The idea is to creat world peace mans way,though they claim to believe in a God. They will have a form of godliness,yet they denie the power.
Man trying to save man. man believes he can create peace.
For the people like myself,who believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God,the one world religion will be bad news. They won't accept those like myself. They will call it a hate crime to say that there is just one way to God,and that we are not tolerant of the religious views of others. So see,I don't agree with President Bush on all things. I think he is trying to promote religious unity,but not 100% sure yet,it does appear this way though.
The problem with religious unity is that they cannot all be right,or pleasing to God,yet the world will claim they all are.
How can atheists be accepted in a world where religious tolerance and all religious views must be accepted as valid? How will atheists be treated when all the hate crime laws are in effect?
If you say anything against the religious views of another person they say it will be called a hate crime and you will be arrested.
Unless atheism is a religious view,it won't be allowed in the world.
Can't you see whats going on today with all this talk about global peace and global unity,and the tolerance for the religious views of all people?
Even witches in groups like wiccan,ect.... are considered a valid religious belief.
All religious views are being accepted today,and the people are expected to conform. people like me won't be accepted,nor will atheists be accepted.

 

[Guest]

I've heard of this idea of one world religion and all people forced to believe, but that won't stop people being atheists. Atheists don't believe in any supernatural beings, so having a gun pointed at you and told you must believe won't actually change anyones minds. For self preservation alot of people would say "I'll believe in Zeus, allah, Jesus, the tooth fairy, just don't kill me", but still in your mind you'll be thinking "What a pack of lies, I don't believe this tripe".
There is a big difference between what you really believe and what you tell others you believe.
Can you tell me anything about the idea of the one world religion?

:Fade-color I know it's hard to believe at first,but it's true about the one world religion. If you do lie to save yourself,you will still have to live the lie and do what is expected of you. You will have to give your loyalty to it,even if you don't believe in it.
If you want to live a lie,thats going to be up to you.
Jesus Christ is not like all those others,and the faith in Jesus Christ is not a false religion. I am sorry you don't know that. I pray you one day will.
Satan is so clever,he did a great job of causing all this confusion in the world,and he created so many other religions in the world,most people have no idea what to believe so they believe in nothing at all. True Faith in
Jesus Christ is not religious,it is a real relationship to a real savior,who really did, and who does exist.
the false churches and fake religions are nothing more than tricks from the enemy,satan himself to keep people from God.
If everyone believed in Jesus,who could satan rule over when he gains more power on the earth?
paganism was mixed in with christianity and many people don't even know it yet,and not only that,there are so many different denominations in the world claiming to know the truth,and so many religions that anyone could get confused,especially when people no longer taught their children the bible growing up. The world is full of people who don't know the holy bible,and who don't know what to believe,and satan set this up.
Just do me one huge favor please!!! when the time comes,and you see that I told you the truth,will you please give Jesus Christ a chance then?
I'm not in any church or group. I am a christian who prays to God,and studies the bible with the help of God,not man,but I do learn alot from others who also listens to God and studies the bible. I let God lead me.
If you see these things happening,will you give Jesus a chance? Please think about it,o.k?