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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at least an error of faith." (Catholic Church's decision against Galileo)

"All the ends of the world shall remember and and turn unto the Lord ........., " (Psalm 22:27)

The Bible never portrays the earth as a sphere, but as immovable, firm and flat with ends. The earth is covered by a firmament (vault) which separates Heaven from Earth. This takes the form of a hemispheric dome with Heaven above and the earth below. God created the lights "in" the firmament, not above. From Genesis to Revelation the Bible supports the concept of a flat-earth. With all do respect, scientific theories supporting a spherical earth are a hoax.
 
Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
 
jamesgarden_47 said:
The Bible never portrays the earth as a sphere, but as immovable, firm and flat with ends. The earth is covered by a firmament (vault) which separates Heaven from Earth. This takes the form of a hemispheric dome with Heaven above and the earth below. God created the lights "in" the firmament, not above. From Genesis to Revelation the Bible supports the concept of a flat-earth. With all do respect, scientific theories supporting a spherical earth are a hoax.
Anybody can look up in the evening and see by looking at the sun reflecting off the moon that the earth is a circle (globe).

When we watch the evening news and hear that the sun will "rise" at 7 am and it will "set" at 7 pm we don't call the station and correct them. It is just a term we use to tell us when the sun is visible on the horizon.

The same with the earth. The ends of the earth is just a term to tell us all people all over the globe.
 
jamesgarden_47 said:
...With all do respect, scientific theories supporting
a spherical earth are a hoax.
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Please tell me you are being sarcastic?
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Arabia, Somalia, the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden on Earth

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Gemini 11 photograph of the Gulf of Aden to the right and the Red Sea to the left. At top center is Saudi Arabia and at the bottom Somalia and Ethiopia are visible. The Mandab gate between the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden is near the center. Lake Abbe is visible towards the lower left. North is at 11:00. The Gulf of Aden is about 300 km wide.
 
He's using irony to criticize those who would interpret the Bible literally. If his point is that not every single sentence in the Bible is intended to be taken literally, then I doubt he'll find many who disagree with him, so I have yet to see what the point is of his sardonic posts. Don't like young Earth creationists? Those who call homosexuality a sin?

James, your posts so far sound simply like you're complaining into thin air. Are you interested in civil discourse, or are you content with unloading combative, nebulous sarcasm?
 
"And God said, 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so And God called the firmament Heaven .........And God said, "Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together in one place, and let dry land appear: and it was so.'" (Genesis 1:7-9)

The firmament divided the waters (under, above) and the earth is under the firmamnt. Where is the dividing point and what keeps the water above the firmament?
 
Why do clouds appear to 'float'? Gravity would surely cause them to fall to earth. Why do they defy "natural law"? Or do they?
 
Clouds are part of the water cycle, but the passage states that the "waters" were divided by the firmament. It also says the waters were above the firmament. The passage also refers to the firmament itself as Heaven.

1. Is Heaven above the earth but below the clouds?

2. Does evaporation, condensation and precipitation that are part of the water cycle occur within Heaven itself?

Genesis also describes the world as being without "form" but covered by water.

3. When He created the "Light" was it above or below the firmament?

4. If Heaven was below the Light, it could be argued that Heaven had a day or night.

5. It would appear that Heaven was created on the second day but the "Light" was made on the first. If the "Light" was above Heaven, would it shine through Heaven.

6. If the "Light" was below Heaven," and the divided waters are above the firmament, those waters could not be part of the earth's water cycle.
 
Vic said:
jamesgarden_47 said:
...With all do respect, scientific theories supporting
a spherical earth are a hoax.
rotflmao6cm8fc.gif


Please tell me you are being sarcastic?
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Arabia, Somalia, the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden on Earth

g11_s66_54536.gif


Gemini 11 photograph of the Gulf of Aden to the right and the Red Sea to the left. At top center is Saudi Arabia and at the bottom Somalia and Ethiopia are visible. The Mandab gate between the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden is near the center. Lake Abbe is visible towards the lower left. North is at 11:00. The Gulf of Aden is about 300 km wide.

"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with the daily rotation is absurd, and both philosophiically and theologically false, and at least an error of faith." (Catholic Church's decision against Galileo)

'Say among the nations, The Lord reigns. The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved." (Psalm 93:10)

The Church's position was based on a flat-earth theology that was Biblically based. Like the discovery of dinosaur remains, a spherical earth has no Biblical foundation.

"After this, I saw four angels stationed at the four corners of the earth holding back the four winds.......... (Revelation 7:1)

No only is the earth firm and immovable, there is repeated to reference to its corners. This is one in a long succession of instances where the Bible has been at odds with science.
 
The people of the time believed ina flat earth with a dome over it that held the rain water, hail and snow. God sat on top of the dome and would open the dome to pour water such as in the great flood. This is the literal interpretation as well as what historically what people believed back then.

So how can you take this today? Ignore history and engage in doublethink to reconcile this or realize that the Bible is man's views of what happened. You don't have to give up belief in God, just in literalism. You could imagine a flood and people writing down what they thought happened. (Whether they were basically right or wrong is up to your beliefs.)

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Why do clouds appear to 'float'? Gravity would surely cause them to fall to earth. Why do they defy "natural law"? Or do they?

It has to do with vapor density vic.

A gas is able to "float" above gravitational pull due to how spread out its molecules are in the mixture.

A cloud is a "gas" and has molecules that are spread out at much greater distances than liquid and thus they can defy gravity.

Looking at a solid the molecules are really jammed up and that is why solids are heavier than even liquids.

Air pressure and temp will eventually induce the gas clouds to "rain" or liquify depending on the environmental pressures......
 
1. Is Heaven above the earth but below the clouds?

I find it amazing how much water can be held in the sky.
If one takes the clouds as the "waters" above the firmament, then the "expanse" between the earth and the arch in which the clouds move, is called by God sky(niv tr. of shamayim).

2. Does evaporation, condensation and precipitation that are part of the water cycle occur within Heaven itself?

Yes, I believe it does in fact occur within the sky.

3. When He created the "Light" was it above or below the firmament?

Last time I looked, the sun, moon, and stars, are in the "expanse of the sky", but light seems to simply be everywhere.

4. If Heaven was below the Light, it could be argued that Heaven had a day or night.

Given that the sky was created after the Light, I think it could indeed be argued that day and night can be used in reference to the sky, as well as to the earth.

5. It would appear that Heaven was created on the second day but the "Light" was made on the first. If the "Light" was above Heaven, would it shine through Heaven.

"IF" the light was "above" the sky, then I think in that case it would have shown through the sky!

6. If the "Light" was below Heaven," and the divided waters are above the firmament, those waters could not be part of the earth's water cycle.

Even "if" the light was "below" the sky, then I see no reason why the waters, again referring to the clouds, would cease to be part of the earth's water cycle.
 
Thanks Soma, but I do understand Earth Sciences and "Natural Law" pretty well. The question was rhetorical and is rather moot at this point. I am failing to 'see' the OP's point. :-?
 
yesha said:
...I find it amazing how much water can be held in the sky.
If one takes the clouds as the "waters" above the firmament, then the "expanse" between the earth and the arch in which the clouds move, is called by God sky(niv tr. of shamayim)...

Bingo. It's probably the way i would interpret it also.

The "sky" is often referred to as the heavens or the heavens above. Usually when I see it with a lower case "h", I take it as referring to the sjy. Upper case "H" would mean the Place where God dwells. i.e. the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." (Genesis1:6,7)


The firmament (Heaven) separates the 2 waters. Verses 6 and 7 are quite explicit that the firmament there is water above the firmament, Unless it rains through the firmament (Heaven), the waters remain separated."Flat earth supporters," perceive the firmament as a vault containing the earth sun and stars.

"Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (Job 28:12,13)"

" And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which God created and made." (Genesis 2:2)

**Please cite verses in the Bible that support a spherical earth.**

**How can one justify taking Genesis 2:1 literally, but not Job 28:12,13?**
 
I fail to understand what your beef is with Job 28:12,13.

Please don't tell me that you are taking the "ends of the earth" to mean that the Bible is saying that the earth has ends to it. It's called a "figure of speech" and I'm sure you haven't questioned it a thousand other times you have read it in other books or heard it used in speech.
 
Free said:
I fail to understand what your beef is with Job 28:12,13.

Please don't tell me that you are taking the "ends of the earth" to mean that the Bible is saying that the earth has ends to it. It's called a "figure of speech" and I'm sure you haven't questioned it a thousand other times you have read it in other books or heard it used in speech.

How does one decide which parts of the Bible are metaphoric, figures of speech or to be taken literally?
 
By using our God-given brains and putting things in context both historically and culturally. That and being led by the Spirit when interpreting scripture.
 
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