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Revelation 14:3-4, "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."

Many believe that the 144,000 are Jews. How can this be when the book of Revelation describes them as "following the Lamb (Jesus) wherever He goes." If Jews don't believe in Jesus, then how can they follow Him wherever He goes as the 144,000 are described as doing?

In peace
 
Jews are from the tribe of Judah.
There are 11 more tribes.
I believe I came from the tribe of Ephraim.
Regardless, are we not drafted in?
 
Jews are from the tribe of Judah.
There are 11 more tribes.
I believe I came from the tribe of Ephraim.
Regardless, are we not drafted in?
The 144,000 can be any person, regardless of their nationality, that follow the Lamb wherever He goes? Is that what you are saying?

Sorry, I just want to be clear on what you're saying.

In peace
 
Revelation 14:1-5

The Lamb represents Jesus who stands on the symbolic mount Sion in the heavenly Jerusalem meaning where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell which is called the heaven of heavens, Hebrews 12:22-24; Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16. The hundred and forty four thousand that John sees standing with Jesus is not a literal numbering, but symbolic of those of Gods established covenant with faithful Abraham up through a thousand generations, Deuteronomy 7:9; Galatians 3:6, 7; 3:28, 29. These are they of great faith that have never allowed them selves to fall to temptations of the world. To the Jew first and then the Gentile who have gone on before us as together with them all who are alive or have died before the Lords return makes up the complete body of Christ, Ephesians 5:25-27.

God breathed life into us, Genesis 2:7, and when this flesh body dies that spirit of life that was breathed in us will be the only thing that will go back to God, Ecclesiastics 12:7. This fleshly body will return to the dust of the ground from where it came from until those who have died that are in Christ are resurrected first as we who are still alive at this time will be gathered with them in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, John 3:1-6; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Those who rejected God are resurrected to stand in Gods judgment, Revelation 20:11-15. According to John 3:13 no one has ever ascended into heaven other than Christ as all who have physically died that are in the Lord sleep in the dust of the earth until the coming of the Lord.

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God. Only those who have faith in Christ are those who are spiritually alive while those with unbelief in Christ are spiritually dead, 1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26; Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13.

The spirit that is in man is either the spirit that connects with God or connects with the principalities of this world, the ruler of wickedness in dark places, Ephesians 6:12. Just because a person lives a good life, helps others and seems to be an all around good person whether they are alive or dead when Christ returns will be resurrected unto damnation if they are not renewed by the Spirit of God through His grace for their remissions of sin, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

The voice John hears is the multitude of those who have died a martyr’s death for not taking the mark of the beast and bowing down to the Luciferians New World Order as they kept their faith and trust in Jesus. Back in Chapter 6 the souls of those under the altar who already died a martyr’s death are crying out for revenge, but are told to wait until their fellow servants that should be killed that all things will then be fulfilled.

Now they all sing a new song in unison as they are joined together with their fellow martyred servants as they rejoice and give praise to the Lord who has redeemed them from this wicked world. Those of great faith who are still alive at this time could not understand this type of rejoicing for there is yet much they will have to endure, but are sealed from anything of Gods final wrath falling on those who have yet to repent.

Those men, women and children that make up the symbolic hundred and forty four thousand that have been redeemed from among men are called virgins. This means those of Spiritual purity that make up the true Church or Bride of Christ and not to be equated with celibacy, Hebrews 12:22-24; James 1:18, 27; 2 Corinthians 11:2. The virgins being the firstfruits unto God and to Jesus through the Spiritual rebirth are those who have set their affection on those things from above as they have died to self and live for Christ, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; Colossians Chapter 3.
 
Revelation 14:1-5

The Lamb represents Jesus who stands on the symbolic mount Sion in the heavenly Jerusalem meaning where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell which is called the heaven of heavens, Hebrews 12:22-24; Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16. The hundred and forty four thousand that John sees standing with Jesus is not a literal numbering, but symbolic of those of Gods established covenant with faithful Abraham up through a thousand generations, Deuteronomy 7:9; Galatians 3:6, 7; 3:28, 29. These are they of great faith that have never allowed them selves to fall to temptations of the world. To the Jew first and then the Gentile who have gone on before us as together with them all who are alive or have died before the Lords return makes up the complete body of Christ, Ephesians 5:25-27.

God breathed life into us, Genesis 2:7, and when this flesh body dies that spirit of life that was breathed in us will be the only thing that will go back to God, Ecclesiastics 12:7. This fleshly body will return to the dust of the ground from where it came from until those who have died that are in Christ are resurrected first as we who are still alive at this time will be gathered with them in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air, John 3:1-6; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. Those who rejected God are resurrected to stand in Gods judgment, Revelation 20:11-15. According to John 3:13 no one has ever ascended into heaven other than Christ as all who have physically died that are in the Lord sleep in the dust of the earth until the coming of the Lord.

The soul and the spirit are connected, but separable (Hebrews 4:12). The soul is the essence of humanity’s being; it is who we are. The spirit is the aspect of humanity that connects with God. Only those who have faith in Christ are those who are spiritually alive while those with unbelief in Christ are spiritually dead, 1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26; Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13.

The spirit that is in man is either the spirit that connects with God or connects with the principalities of this world, the ruler of wickedness in dark places, Ephesians 6:12. Just because a person lives a good life, helps others and seems to be an all around good person whether they are alive or dead when Christ returns will be resurrected unto damnation if they are not renewed by the Spirit of God through His grace for their remissions of sin, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

The voice John hears is the multitude of those who have died a martyr’s death for not taking the mark of the beast and bowing down to the Luciferians New World Order as they kept their faith and trust in Jesus. Back in Chapter 6 the souls of those under the altar who already died a martyr’s death are crying out for revenge, but are told to wait until their fellow servants that should be killed that all things will then be fulfilled.

Now they all sing a new song in unison as they are joined together with their fellow martyred servants as they rejoice and give praise to the Lord who has redeemed them from this wicked world. Those of great faith who are still alive at this time could not understand this type of rejoicing for there is yet much they will have to endure, but are sealed from anything of Gods final wrath falling on those who have yet to repent.

Those men, women and children that make up the symbolic hundred and forty four thousand that have been redeemed from among men are called virgins. This means those of Spiritual purity that make up the true Church or Bride of Christ and not to be equated with celibacy, Hebrews 12:22-24; James 1:18, 27; 2 Corinthians 11:2. The virgins being the firstfruits unto God and to Jesus through the Spiritual rebirth are those who have set their affection on those things from above as they have died to self and live for Christ, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; Colossians Chapter 3.

Question?
Rev.14:3
And they sung as it were a new song...
Do you think it is the song of Moses written about in
Rev.15:3?

Song of Moses:
Deut.31:30-Deut.32:1-43

I think so ....
 
dianegcook

I would have to say yes as this would be the latter day song being sung, but more in rejoicing. Deuteronomy 32:1-43 Moses writes history in advance. He predicts what will befall Israel in the near future about blessings and cursings and in the distance future or in other words in the latter days. Moses also talks about the dispersion of Israel as they are scattered out through the nations and then their eventual return. We in our generation today see this return of the symbolic numbering of the 144,000. Those men, women and children that make up the symbolic hundred and forty four thousand that have been redeemed from among men are called virgins. This means those of Spiritual purity that make up the true Church or Bride of Christ and not to be equated with celibacy, Hebrews 12:22-24; James 1:18, 27; 2 Corinthians 11:2. The virgins being the firstfruits unto God and to Jesus through the Spiritual rebirth are those who have set their affection on those things from above as they have died to self and live for Christ, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; Colossians Chapter 3.

The voice John hears is the multitude of those who have died a martyr’s death for not taking the mark of the beast and bowing down to the Luciferians New World Order as they kept their faith and trust in Jesus. Back in Chapter 6 the souls of those under the altar who already died a martyr’s death are crying out for revenge, but are told to wait until their fellow servants that should be killed that all things will then be fulfilled. We have to remember that no one has ever ascended up to heaven when they died as it is only our breath/spirit that God breathed into us making us a living soul that goes back to God when we die, Genesis 2:7; Ecclesiastics 12:7, so I believe the souls of those under the alter can only be that very breath/spirit crying out for revenge.

Now they all sing a new song in unison as they are joined together with their fellow martyred servants as they rejoice and give praise to the Lord who has redeemed them from this wicked world. Those of great faith who are still alive at this time could not understand this type of rejoicing for there is yet much they will have to endure, but are sealed from anything of Gods final wrath falling on those who have yet to repent.
 
dianegcook

I would have to say yes as this would be the latter day song being sung, but more in rejoicing. Deuteronomy 32:1-43 Moses writes history in advance. He predicts what will befall Israel in the near future about blessings and cursings and in the distance future or in other words in the latter days. Moses also talks about the dispersion of Israel as they are scattered out through the nations and then their eventual return. We in our generation today see this return of the symbolic numbering of the 144,000. Those men, women and children that make up the symbolic hundred and forty four thousand that have been redeemed from among men are called virgins. This means those of Spiritual purity that make up the true Church or Bride of Christ and not to be equated with celibacy, Hebrews 12:22-24; James 1:18, 27; 2 Corinthians 11:2. The virgins being the firstfruits unto God and to Jesus through the Spiritual rebirth are those who have set their affection on those things from above as they have died to self and live for Christ, John 3:3-7; Romans 10:9, 10; Colossians Chapter 3.

The voice John hears is the multitude of those who have died a martyr’s death for not taking the mark of the beast and bowing down to the Luciferians New World Order as they kept their faith and trust in Jesus. Back in Chapter 6 the souls of those under the altar who already died a martyr’s death are crying out for revenge, but are told to wait until their fellow servants that should be killed that all things will then be fulfilled. We have to remember that no one has ever ascended up to heaven when they died as it is only our breath/spirit that God breathed into us making us a living soul that goes back to God when we die, Genesis 2:7; Ecclesiastics 12:7, so I believe the souls of those under the alter can only be that very breath/spirit crying out for revenge.

Now they all sing a new song in unison as they are jo with their fellow martyred servants as they rejoice and give praise to the Lord who has redeemed them from this wicked world. Those of great faith who are still alive at this time could not understand this type of rejoicing for there is yet much they will have to endure, but are sealed from anything of Gods final wrath falling on those who have yet to repent.

So you think so also, Lol

You /God says that the Spirit returns to God .
Yep,
Back home..where it came from.
So we come down, right?
Born from above..

These crying for vengeance were give white robes, one would assume they had some sort of body to put them on.
Spiritual body
 
So you think so also, Lol

You /God says that the Spirit returns to God .
Yep,
Back home..where it came from.
So we come down, right?
Born from above..

These crying for vengeance were give white robes, one would assume they had some sort of body to put them on.
Spiritual body

No, we do not come down as we never went up. When those who are in Christ and still alive at His coming are gathered together with those who are of Christ that are asleep in the grave we will be changed before we meet Jesus in the air, but yet no one knows what we will be, but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2. The white robes represent the righteousness of God we are clothed in and not actual white robes, Isaiah 61:10; Rev 19:8.
 
" I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete. 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God." Rev 15: 1-3

Don't share the delusion of those who think Paul was writing about our era when Paul wrote 1 Thess 4:15-17
1 Thess 4:15-17 is about the end time scenario of ancient Israel. Not about our end of era scenario.

The saved of our era will go up ...
and will follow Jesus back down as per Rev 19 and Rev 20:4.
 
Don't share the delusion of those who think Paul was writing about our era when Paul wrote 1 Thess 4:15-17
1 Thess 4:15-17
is about the end time scenario of ancient Israel. Not about our end of era scenario.

So you are saying the below scriptures that Paul wrote has already happened?

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
Many believe that the 144,000 are Jews. How can this be when the book of Revelation describes them as "following the Lamb (Jesus) wherever He goes." If Jews don't believe in Jesus, then how can they follow Him wherever He goes as the 144,000 are described as doing?


The book of Revelation was written by a Jew.

The Church was all Jews for the first 10 years.





JLB
 
So you are saying the below scriptures that Paul wrote has already happened?

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Correct.
 

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When did this happen?
 
Around 70 AD when the Romans conquered and dispersed ancient Israel and destroyed the Temple.

So, you are saying then that Jesus returned in 70 AD destroying the beast and false prophet, sending His angels out to gather all, alive and asleep in the grave that are His own catching them up to Him, casting Satan into the lake of fire as the great white throne judgement is final and now they who are of faith are living in the New Jerusalem sent down from heaven?
 
So, you are saying then that Jesus returned in 70 AD destroying the beast and false prophet, sending His angels out to gather all, alive and asleep in the grave that are His own catching them up to Him, casting Satan into the lake of fire as the great white throne judgement is final and now they who are of faith are living in the New Jerusalem sent down from heaven?

No, that is not what I said. Nor is that what Paul wrote. You seem unable to grasp that Paul wrote about the end time of ancient Israel .... which took place some 2000 years ago.

Whereas,
Now, 2000 years later. WE are on the verge of living during OUR end of era scenario.
Which the Revelation reveals. Most specifically Revelation 13->forward.
 
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