Genesis 9:6

[for_his_glory]

Good verses evil..
War prayer,
Psa.144: 1,2
Blessed be the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight;
My Goodness, my Fortress, my High Tower, my Deliverer my Shield, and He in whom I trust, who subdued my people under me.

Just reminding folks that war is different.

War is different especially in the days of the OT as we read where God has called those to battle against the wicked enemy.

 

[dianegcook]

War is different especially in the days of the OT as we read where God has called those to battle against the wicked enemy.

As today..
WW2
What would it be like if Germany, Japan and Italy prevailed?

 

[JohnDB]

I'm not exactly sure where this thread is going...are we discussing civil matters or spiritual matters?

Spiritually speaking, every life matters.
Every drop of blood is important... even your own blood belongs to God. They have yet to make a fully functional blood equivalent.

Civilly speaking,
TN has the worst record for convicting murderers. We have the death penalty but no one even gets convicted. So it's not like it gets used.

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm not exactly sure where this thread is going...are we discussing civil matters or spiritual matters?

Spiritually speaking, every life matters.
Every drop of blood is important... even your own blood belongs to God. They have yet to make a fully functional blood equivalent.

Civilly speaking,
TN has the worst record for convicting murderers. We have the death penalty but no one even gets convicted. So it's not like it gets used.

Civil matters according to God's commands in Genesis 9:6 and Exodus 20:13 that deal with the civil laws in our court system today concerning the death penalty.

 

[OzSpen]

OzSpen,
With much respect toward you, I would like to gently push back on one of your statements regarding Genesis 9.

We understand that every person from the time of Noah to today are descendants of Noah. We also understand the covenant with Noah is still in effect. It has not been nullified. When we look at the covenant with Noah, it was universal and none negatable. In other words, the covenant stands on Gods word, and Gods word alone.

In this way, regardless of your religious background or what sins you have committed, even murder, God will never flood the earth again, because He promised he wouldn't.

Regarding murder, even atheists are bound by the Noahide laws as the Noahide laws are universal and all men are under them.

Jews entered a covenant with additional laws, but the Noahide laws are reiterated within them. The same is true with the new covenant with Christ....if one hates his brother, he is guilty of murder.

SB,

Thank you for pointing out my error. I got that one wrong.

Which biblical support would you use for your statement, "We also understand the covenant with Noah is still in effect. It has not been nullified."

Oz

 

[for_his_glory]

As today..
WW2
What would it be like if Germany, Japan and Italy prevailed?

IMO I believe God had His hand in that that they would not have prevailed. Even thou many that were God's own gave their lives for our freedom from a tyrants government.

 

[stovebolts]

SB,

Thank you for pointing out my error. I got that one wrong.

Which biblical support would you use for your statement, "We also understand the covenant with Noah is still in effect. It has not been nullified."

Oz

Heh, I'm sure you just slipped. We all do, it's no biggie.

I believe the rainbow bears witness to the everlasting covenant.

I would look to Genesis 9, starting in verse 8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, 9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; 10 and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that go out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. 11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud, 15 and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. 17 And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

 

[JohnDB]

As far as civilly speaking...
Hacksaw Ridge was a pretty cool movie. The guy refused to fight and take lives. I might not agree with all of his theological reasons but hey, it's a movie.
I'm not going to agree with the SDA church on much but again....it was a movie.

But the guy had a thing about violence. He had a solid reason to not kill. (For God)
After that I really can't go along with the minutiae of his reasoning.
But...
It depicted a man who had the courage of his convictions. He didn't want to work on the Sabbath day...but condescended if he could pray first.

So everyone waited for him to finish praying before starting the fighting again.

Dunno if it's a true story or not... dunno if it's an exaggeration of events either.
But it's still a cool movie.

 

[for_his_glory]

As far as civilly speaking...
Hacksaw Ridge was a pretty cool movie. The guy refused to fight and take lives. I might not agree with all of his theological reasons but hey, it's a movie.
I'm not going to agree with the SDA church on much but again....it was a movie.

But the guy had a thing about violence. He had a solid reason to not kill. (For God)
After that I really can't go along with the minutiae of his reasoning.
But...
It depicted a man who had the courage of his convictions. He didn't want to work on the Sabbath day...but condescended if he could pray first.

So everyone waited for him to finish praying before starting the fighting again.

Dunno if it's a true story or not... dunno if it's an exaggeration of events either.
But it's still a cool movie.

Never saw that movie, but sounds like a good one. Wonder how many in real life stood by their convictions in battle. I would say a few did.

 

[Christ_empowered]

i dont know what to make of war. I -get- the 'just war' concept, but....with nuclear weapons and such, I think figuring out a way to -not- get into international, armed conflict would be ideal.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Thank you for reminding us about the cities of refuge as I never delved into studying this. This is a very important to this study on Genesis 9:6.

I went and read the scriptures on that which are: Exodus 21:12-14; Numbers 35:9-34 and Deuteronomy 19:1-13.

The six cities were: Kedesh, Golan, Ramoth-gilead, Shechem, Bezer, Hebron

The only one that never received land were the Levites as they were of the Priesthood.

I'm a little late to the party with this because the thread conversation has moved on but I'm going to add this anyway. I have notes on this somewhere but can't find them so I found this online. The meaning of the names of the cities of refuge all point to Christ which I think is amazingly cool. They were also all meant to be easy to get to, easy to find and open to all.
I found this on the meaning:
The names of the six cities are given in Joshua 20:7-8 as Kedesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan. The meanings of these names seem planned especially to foreshadow this spiritual application.

Kedesh means "holy place," and Christ in the New Jerusalem is the ultimate refuge, for "the Lamb |is| the temple of it" (Revelation 21:22). Shechem means "strong shoulder" which answers to the "strong consolation" we have in Christ when we flee to Him for refuge.

Hebron means "fellowship," and we who have come to Christ have been "called unto the fellowship of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord" (I Corinthians 1:9). Bezer means "strong hiding place." The Scripture assures the believer that "your life is hid with Christ in God" (Colossians 3:3).

Ramoth means "high place," and when we are hidden in Christ, God also has "made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6). Finally, Golan apparently means "enclosure for captives," and this would speak of our being set free from sin and death to become captive to Christ. "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive" (Ephesians 4:8). Thus the cities are appropriately named, both for their immediate purpose, and as a picture of Christ as the Savior of sinners.
(from this site I've never been to before - https://www.icr.org/article/cities-refuge/)

 

[for_his_glory]

I'm a little late to the party with this because the thread conversation has moved on but I'm going to add this anyway. I have notes on this somewhere but can't find them so I found this online. The meaning of the names of the cities of refuge all point to Christ which I think is amazingly cool. They were also all meant to be easy to get to, easy to find and open to all.
I found this on the meaning:
The names of the six cities are given in Joshua 20:7-8 as Kedesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan. The meanings of these names seem planned especially to foreshadow this spiritual application.

Kedesh means "holy place," and Christ in the New Jerusalem is the ultimate refuge, for "the Lamb |is| the temple of it" (Revelation 21:22). Shechem means "strong shoulder" which answers to the "strong consolation" we have in Christ when we flee to Him for refuge.

Hebron means "fellowship," and we who have come to Christ have been "called unto the fellowship of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord" (I Corinthians 1:9). Bezer means "strong hiding place." The Scripture assures the believer that "your life is hid with Christ in God" (Colossians 3:3).

Ramoth means "high place," and when we are hidden in Christ, God also has "made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6). Finally, Golan apparently means "enclosure for captives," and this would speak of our being set free from sin and death to become captive to Christ. "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive" (Ephesians 4:8). Thus the cities are appropriately named, both for their immediate purpose, and as a picture of Christ as the Savior of sinners.
(from this site I've never been to before - https://www.icr.org/article/cities-refuge/)

The roads leading to these six cities were marked by sign post at the crossroads with the inscription "Miklat"which meant refuge. Each one that sought asylum in one of these cities had to first explain to the Elders what happened, Joshua 20:4. They were then given a place to stay until a trail could be conducted.

 

[for_his_glory]

i dont know what to make of war. I -get- the 'just war' concept, but....with nuclear weapons and such, I think figuring out a way to -not- get into international, armed conflict would be ideal.

It would be great to not have conflicts of war, but there has always been the enemy (Satan) that wants to rule over the earth.

The first battle mention in scripture is found in Genesis 14:1-24. Shinar, Ellasar and Elam became known later in scripture as being Babylon, which is now modern day Iraq. These kings have always fought and taken captive Gods covenant people starting with Lot who was Abraham's nephew in whom Abraham took his army and fought against these four eastern kings and defeated them.

This first battle was about controlling power, greed and monopoly on international trade (economics) as they tried to defeat everyone who opposed them as they took captive not only possessions from others, but also held them captive those who would not bow down to their false gods.

 

[Kkamagwi]

The killing of every human being will be punished by God. They that shed human blood, by humans should their blood be shed. Murder's punishment is entrusted to the government, which should punish murderers by requiring their lives in exchange for those which they took. For in the imago Dei made God humans: murder is a violation of the imago Dei in humans, which God intends to restore in all that are renewed in faith.

 

[stovebolts]

I'm a little late to the party with this because the thread conversation has moved on but I'm going to add this anyway. I have notes on this somewhere but can't find them so I found this online. The meaning of the names of the cities of refuge all point to Christ which I think is amazingly cool. They were also all meant to be easy to get to, easy to find and open to all.
I found this on the meaning:
The names of the six cities are given in Joshua 20:7-8 as Kedesh, Shechem, Hebron, Bezer, Ramoth, and Golan. The meanings of these names seem planned especially to foreshadow this spiritual application.

Kedesh means "holy place," and Christ in the New Jerusalem is the ultimate refuge, for "the Lamb |is| the temple of it" (Revelation 21:22). Shechem means "strong shoulder" which answers to the "strong consolation" we have in Christ when we flee to Him for refuge.

Hebron means "fellowship," and we who have come to Christ have been "called unto the fellowship of His Son Jesus Christ our Lord" (I Corinthians 1:9). Bezer means "strong hiding place." The Scripture assures the believer that "your life is hid with Christ in God" (Colossians 3:3).

Ramoth means "high place," and when we are hidden in Christ, God also has "made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6). Finally, Golan apparently means "enclosure for captives," and this would speak of our being set free from sin and death to become captive to Christ. "When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive" (Ephesians 4:8). Thus the cities are appropriately named, both for their immediate purpose, and as a picture of Christ as the Savior of sinners.
(from this site I've never been to before - https://www.icr.org/article/cities-refuge/)

Nice find!